How Is Hiruzen Able To Beat Tsunade Realistically??

[Cursed Prince]

By feats he cannot, it's clear that Hiruzen lacks proper feats seeing as he is the only character from Part I who hasn't gotten proper Part II feats.

However, it's clear to me that once he gets his feats against Obito he will be substantially stronger than Tsunade. His hype [Shinobi no Kami and Purofessa] and manga presence [referred to be one of the stongest Edo Tensei and a Hokage] speaks volumes, but apparently only feats matter to this forum...

Logically in a debate, Hiruzen would lose currently, but soon it'll be clear who is the stronger of the two.

I beat Hiruzen wont even regenerate Lol

 

[Trolling King]

sakura>hiruzen.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Hiruzen currently has shunshin feats that puts his speed massively faster than Tsunade.

 

[Meee]

Hes garbage based on his current feats, Tsunade stomps him

 

[TheEvilOne]

he was able to place explosive tags on hashirama on tobirama without them nor oro noticing
combine that with fire dragon flame bullet and she's done

Placing explosives on weak and mindless zombies who were controlled by Orochimaru isn't a feat.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Hiruzen currently has shunshin feats that puts his speed massively faster than Tsunade.

Oh, so that's why he has 3 points in the databook.

 

[Crossroads]

He stated himself to be under Part 1 Orochimaru:

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He also implicates that there are shinobi who would take Part 1 Orochimaru (but we know that already).



Wait for what? For himself to prove that he's under Part 1 Orochimaru, as said by himself? We already know he doesn't have the stamina to take on a chakra powerhouse like Tsunade who would force him into using ninjutsu (which would only drain his chakra more quickly).

Hiruzen was a dying old man, we should give him props for defending the village.

Hiruzen was actually able to defend his village.

Tsunade: I'll rely on Naruto to do my job.

 

[Sacrosanct]

I beat Hiruzen wont even regenerate Lol

He will. Plot wouldn't kill him off like that yet. It's not like he'll show anything too impressive though, when per his own admittance he's inferior to Part 1 Orochimaru.

Hiruzen was a dying old man, we should give him props for defending the village.

Hiruzen was actually able to defend his village.

Tsunade: I'll rely on Naruto to do my job.

And the thing is, Tsunade would still beat him.

 

[MythicDonut]

sakura>hiruzen.

No God, please. Don't troll me, not today...

 

[TheEvilOne]

Hiruzen was a dying old man, we should give him props for defending the village.

Hiruzen was actually able to defend his village.

Tsunade: I'll rely on Naruto to do my job.

He was just 69, younger then current Onoki who is more then 75.
When the Kyuubi attacked the village, Hiruzen was 56. ( one year older then Tsunade ).

And guess what he said?

Hiruzen: I'll rely on Minato to do my job.

 

[EnmaMonkeyKing]

I think he would die from blood loss

 

[Invsblphntm]

He stated himself to be under Part 1 Orochimaru:

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He also implicates that there are shinobi who would take Part 1 Orochimaru (but we know that already).

In Part I, Orochimaru was the second strongest Shinobi alive and introduced. He literally made Kakashi tremble in fear. Hiruzen may have said that but this is an old Hiruzen, Hiruzen even 10 years younger would've defeated Orochimaru + Edo Hokages together according to the Databook.

And Part I Orochimaru is the same as Part II Orochimaru, in fact he's stronger [at least he should be]. The only difference is that in Part II everyone became much stronger, shown by armless Orochimaru showing superior feats to Orochimaru with arms and his Edo Tensei. And the Shinobi that could defeat him are already known to us [Pein, Obito, Hashirama, Minato etc.].

 

[RNITBmsage]

Placing explosives on weak and mindless zombies who were controlled by Orochimaru isn't a feat.

my reply was direct to the OP
I dont debate with biased members such as yourself(no offense)

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Oh, so that's why he has 3 points in the databook.

That is a stat of old Hiruzen. Edo Tensei Hiruzen who has a healthy body, was able to shunshin at pace with Tobirama when they were heading to the battlefield. It's common sense that Tobirama is worlds faster than Tsunade. So by that logic, Hiruzen is also worlds faster than Tsunade.

 

[TheEvilOne]

my reply was direct to the OP
I dont debate with biased members such as yourself(no offense)

Just because you can't counter my arguments it doesn't mean I'm biased.

 

[ethan201222]

he was able to place explosive tags on hashirama on tobirama without them nor oro noticing
combine that with fire dragon flame bullet and she's done

dude those were mindless zombies as someone else said....u think tsuande would ever die like that? no one alive and non fodder has ever died to an explosive tag..well maybe that akasutki guy hidan...lol but tsunade wouldn't die that way n she survived being split in half..losing a limb might not be enough for her to die

Placing explosives on weak and mindless zombies who were controlled by Orochimaru isn't a feat.

agree all the way

No God, please. Don't troll me, not today...

lol what do u mean? i don't think hiruzen can beat tsunade

 

[TheEvilOne]

That is a stat of old Hiruzen. Edo Tensei Hiruzen who has a healthy body, was able to shunshin at pace with Tobirama when they were heading to the battlefield. It's common sense that Tobirama is worlds faster than Tsunade. So by that logic, Hiruzen is also worlds faster than Tsunade.

So Tsunade has the same speed as Ay because they arrived to Naruto and Bee at the same time?

 

[Sacrosanct]

In Part I, Orochimaru was the second strongest Shinobi alive and introduced. He literally made Kakashi tremble in fear. Hiruzen may have said that but this is an old Hiruzen, Hiruzen even 10 years younger would've defeated Orochimaru + Edo Hokages together according to the Databook.

And Part I Orochimaru is the same as Part II Orochimaru, in fact he's stronger [at least he should be]. The only difference is that in Part II everyone became much stronger, shown by armless Orochimaru showing superior feats to Orochimaru with arms and his Edo Tensei. And the Shinobi that could defeat him are already known to us [Pein, Obito, Hashirama, Minato].

The databook implicates that Hiruzen would have been able to successfully RDS Orochimaru rather than settling for his arms as he did in canon, because he wouldn't have been as fragile. The battle itself wouldn't change, only the outcome.

Current Orochimaru is filled up on Hashirama's cells (the juice). The Orochimaru that Hiruzen fought was soon in need of a new body. Hiruzen was referring to shinobi that weren't in the village that could have taken Part 1 Orochimaru, such as Sage Mode Jiraiya, Onoki, etc.

 

[Exath]

Since when was healer>shinobi the case?

 

[Rainbow Dash]

So Tsunade has the same speed as Ay because they arrived to Naruto and Bee at the same time?

That was Base A.

100% A > V1 A >>>>> Base A = Tsunade