How Is Hiruzen Able To Beat Tsunade Realistically??

[Sacrosanct]

Wait, you guys are rearing off-topic. Tell me, how does Hiruzen beat Tsunade? Just wondering.

The Databook, even besides this point, further implies Hiruzen was holding back against Orochimaru even to the end because of his extreme love for his student.

Orochimaru was only in desperate need of a body after the fight in which he took that one ninja's body who defeated the rest of the Otogakure ninja in a battle. He wasn't in need of one at the time for he wasn't in the same agonizing pain he was in the time after the fight. It was also stated that Hiruzen was the strongest of the Gokage, if Hiruzen couldn't stop Orochimaru neither could Part I Ohnoki.

The outcome wouldn't have changed.

It was stated that Hiruzen was the strongest of the Gokage at his time of death, but tell me this: how would he be able to outlast one of the few perfect Jinchuuriki, the Yondaime Mizukage? How would he have been able to even get close to the Yondaime Kazekage? How would he have been able to touch the Sandaime Tsuchikage? How would he be able to react to the Yondaime Raikage's speed? The fact is, Hiruzen claimed that no one in the village could take Part 1 Orochimaru, including himself. Now, that contradicts the hype that claims him as the strongest of the Gokage (the hype didn't make sense in the first place), because there are those in the Gokage who would have been able to take Part 1 Orochimaru. In fact, this hype is invalidated because none of the Gokage were introduced bar the Yondaime Kazekage and his powers weren't even expanded upon at that point in time (and they weren't for how many years? I do believe those chapters came out in 2002).

 

[MythicDonut]

That's fail, considering Hiruzen was hailed as the god of Shinobies and it was stated he is the strongest Hokage.
So the strongest Hokage relied on a boy's help.

Naruo is the main character of the manga, that's why he defeated Pain.
Tsunade did her job, she healed and saved as many villagers as she could. And as far as I remember that's a Hokage's job.

What do you mean he 'relied on a boys help'? Tsunade also 'relied on a boys help' in the war when she told Naruto to go and fight Tobi.

 

[Skywardsword]

Would be pointless, considering Orochimaru stopped it with physical strength.
Tsunade has Katsuyu who can melt Hiruzen or she can simply shatter the ground under Hiruzen.

Not really, if it wasnt that sword Orochimaru would be insta stripped of his soul.

 

[ethan201222]

Since when was healer>shinobi the case?

in this case it is since the shinobi got nothing to beat a nearly immortal healer

I think I just died a little inside.

lol hey it can be true...she can heeal herself too

Are we in a life-death battle....because...shiki fujin.

well that would be a draw not hiruzen's victory

no one has ever died due to a rasengan , does that mean it wouldnt work either ?

uhmmm deva path n other paths did..and many have gotten rocked by rasengan.....muu......kabuto..etc....rasengans have done a lot more damage than explosive tags...

Would be pointless, considering Orochimaru stopped it with physical strength.
Tsunade has Katsuyu who can melt Hiruzen or she can simply shatter the ground under Hiruzen.

exactly this

The battle would've been different, a younger Hiruzen would have more leeway for planning, as more stamina would be in play because he's at least now we've seen he has decent analytical skills.

that's true i can agree to this

 

[Crossroads]

Wait, you guys are rearing off-topic. Tell me, how does Hiruzen beat Tsunade? Just wondering.

Staying long distance, pressuring Tsunade to activate her seal. Once the seal is active he stalls until it's gone and finishes her off when it is.

 

[MythicDonut]

Wait, you guys are rearing off-topic. Tell me, how does Hiruzen beat Tsunade? Just wondering.

There's no answer to the question my friend, only opinions on how the battle will pan out and conclude.

 

[swagking]

By feats he cannot, it's clear that Hiruzen lacks proper feats seeing as he is the only character from Part I who hasn't gotten proper Part II feats.

However, it's clear to me that once he gets his feats against Obito he will be substantially stronger than Tsunade. His hype [Shinobi no Kami and Purofessa] and manga presence [referred to be one of the stongest Edo Tensei and a Hokage] speaks volumes, but apparently only feats matter to this forum...

Logically in a debate, Hiruzen would lose currently, but soon it'll be clear who is the stronger of the two.

this guy is right
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[RNITBmsage]

What do you mean he 'relied on a boys help'? Tsunade also 'relied on a boys help' in the war when she told Naruto to go and fight Tobi.

thats because tsunade knows naruto is extremely strong
and hiruzen probably thought the same thing regarding minato
56 is old if you havent noticed
and hiruzen couldn't fight tobi and help stop kurama at the same time

 

[Bantos]

Staying long distance, pressuring Tsunade to activate her seal. Once the seal is active he stalls until it's gone and finishes her off when it is.

Tsunade keeps attacking at all times. Hiruzen has no way of running away from her. And of course there is always Katsuyu who'll make it even harder for Hiruzen to attempt his stalling. And Tsunade has way better stamina feats.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Staying long distance, pressuring Tsunade to activate her seal. Once the seal is active he stalls until it's gone and finishes her off when it is.

Are you honestly saying that Hiruzen would be able to outlast Tsunade? Him stalling would consist in him using ninjutsu, which would tire him out as shown against Orochimaru when he only used a few jutsu (and Tsunade can tank Susanoo swords from Madara no less, meaning that his ninjutsu will be next to nothing to her). He gets tired out, she closes in and finishes him. If he tries to summon Enma, all that's doing is making him waste more chakra by summoning a boss summon.

 

[Crossroads]

Are you honestly saying that Hiruzen would be able to outlast Tsunade? Him stalling would consist in him using ninjutsu, which would tire him out as shown against Orochimaru when he only used a few jutsu (and Tsunade can tank Susanoo swords from Madara no less, meaning that his ninjutsu will be next to nothing to her). He gets tired out, she closes in and finishes him. If he tries to summon Enma, all that's doing is making him waste more chakra by summoning a boss summon.

Tsunade isn't ready for that Enma game, son.

 

[RNITBmsage]

in this case it is since the shinobi got nothing to beat a nearly immortal healer

lol hey it can be true...she can heeal herself too

well that would be a draw not hiruzen's victory

uhmmm deva path n other paths did..and many have gotten rocked by rasengan.....muu......kabuto..etc....rasengans have done a lot more damage than explosive tags...


exactly this



that's true i can agree to this

show me some solid proof that, that jutsu and explosive tags wouldn't kill tsunade
or show me proof that a diamond hard staff piercing her hard wouldnt kill her

 

[Avinash012]

This man break's Tsunade's neck

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[Crossroads]

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One= Tsunade

 

[MythicDonut]

thats because tsunade knows naruto is extremely strong
and hiruzen probably thought the same thing regarding minato
56 is old if you havent noticed
and hiruzen couldn't fight tobi and help stop kurama at the same time

Thats my point exactly. The person I was reply (TheEvilOne) to was implying that he should have taken on Tobi and Kurama at the same time because he was the previous hokage and that Tsunade doesn't rely on anyones help. He/She said it like its a bad thing

 

[Invsblphntm]

Wait, you guys are rearing off-topic. Tell me, how does Hiruzen beat Tsunade? Just wondering.



The outcome wouldn't have changed.

It was stated that Hiruzen was the strongest of the Gokage at his time of death, but tell me this: how would he be able to outlast one of the few perfect Jinchuuriki, the Yondaime Mizukage? How would he have been able to even get close to the Yondaime Kazekage? How would he have been able to touch the Sandaime Tsuchikage? How would he be able to react to the Yondaime Raikage's speed? The fact is, Hiruzen claimed that no one in the village could take Part 1 Orochimaru, including himself. Now, that contradicts the hype that claims him as the strongest of the Gokage (the hype didn't make sense in the first place), because there are those in the Gokage who would have been able to take Part 1 Orochimaru. In fact, this hype is invalidated because none of the Gokage were introduced bar the Yondaime Kazekage and his powers weren't even expanded upon at that point in time (and they weren't for how many years? I do believe those chapters came out in 2002).

Those are all Part II characters. Hiruzen lacks proper feats in Part II, it's clear that Part II and Part I are almost completely different in terms of power scaling. Like I said, Hiruzen has not been given a chance to show his true strength.

OT: The Shinobi Alliance [including Maito Gai and Kirabi] were said to be too weak to join in the current fight, however Hiruzen is right in the middle of it analyzing Obito's abilities. His role in the manga is the same as Tobirama and Minato currently.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Tsunade isn't ready for that Enma game, son.

Tsunade broke through Edo Madara's Susanoo and blew off a part of him. He needed to regenerate after that hit.

Enma smashed the weakened Edo Tobirama clear through mokuton and he got right back up.

I'm sure you can see the difference here.

Those are all Part II characters. Hiruzen lacks proper feats in Part II, it's clear that Part II and Part I are almost completely different in terms of power scaling. Like I said, Hiruzen has not been given a chance to show his true strength.

OT: The Shinobi Alliance [including Maito Gai and Kirabi] were said to be too weak to join in the current fight, however Hiruzen is right in the middle of it analyzing Obito's abilities. His role in the manga is the same as Tobirama and Minato currently.

That reasoning can also put the fanfiction "Prime Hiruzen" over Hashirama :|. For this to be true, Part 1 Orochimaru will have to be shown stronger than every single one of the Gokage, with no room for dispute. However, as we'll never see him (current Orochimaru's up on the juice) there's no way to validate that hype.

At that point in time they were thought to be immortal and used that to their advantage. And you know how all the Hokage are, plot-induced Will of Fire maniacs.

 

[Crossroads]

I'm going to stop using logic, because apparently it doesn't work with people on Tsunade's boobs.

Hiruzen solo's mid diff.

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TSUNADE ISN'T READY FOR THAT MONKEY GAME, PARTNER.

 

[EnmaMonkeyKing]

Tsunade keeps attacking at all times. Hiruzen has no way of running away from her. And of course there is always Katsuyu who'll make it even harder for Hiruzen to attempt his stalling. And Tsunade has way better stamina feats.

Even Kabuto managed to avoid Tsunades attacks. It's not like she is super fast.

 

[RNITBmsage]

Are you honestly saying that Hiruzen would be able to outlast Tsunade? Him stalling would consist in him using ninjutsu, which would tire him out as shown against Orochimaru when he only used a few jutsu (and Tsunade can tank Susanoo swords from Madara no less, meaning that his ninjutsu will be next to nothing to her). He gets tired out, she closes in and finishes him. If he tries to summon Enma, all that's doing is making him waste more chakra by summoning a boss summon.

he in so skilled in taijutsu that she would never be able to land a hit considering her speed
also tanking sword slashing and high powered katon is two totally different things
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