At the Beginning of Naruto Shippuden....

[Kakashi the hokage]

was Naruto growth under Jiraiya realistic?

Naruto literally learned nothing new on his trip with Jiraiya yet in less than a year back in Konoha he created an S-Ranked jutsu, mastered Sage Mode, and controlled the Kyuubi.

I get that Jiraiya was trying to teach him to be a better Shinobi overall but come on, no elemental or successful bijuu training in THREE YEARS. that's a little hard to believe.

I feel like after rereading and watching the beginning of shippuden Kishi really dropped the ball with Naruto's nonexistent development.

My opinion if you disagree say so.

 

[itachi4real]

yea ur right...he trained nagato yahiko and konan better than he trained naruto

 

[Nidds]

1 year I learn all this sheet

3 years with Jiraiya. A Rasengan

Naruto for you

 

[ElementNami92]

You're somewhat right. He should have at least got a new technique. Overall, I think Jiraiya was teaching him the meaning of being a Shinobi. "One who Endures" Is the rule Jiraiya lived by, so I think he was trying to get Naruto to do the same.

 

[itachi4real]

You're somewhat right. He should have at least got a new technique. Overall, I think Jiraiya was teaching him the meaning of being a Shinobi. "One who Endures" Is the rule Jiraiya lived by, so I think he was trying to get Naruto to do the same.

I see ur point but all he taught was rasengan that's probably why he spams rasengan alot

 

[Kakashi the hokage]

I'm not saying that Jiraiya taught him anything once he got back to Konoha.
What I am saying is that the lack of growth under Jiraiya during the three year period seems unrealistic compared to his growth under all his other sensei's

 

[White Lotus]

I agree.

The training he's done back in the village > the training he did with Jiraiya.

 

[ElementNami92]

I see ur point but all he taught was rasengan that's probably why he spams rasengan alot

Yeah, I'm not trying to prove you wrong cause you're dead right. I believe he should.ve been able to at least learn Sage Mode

 

[Sazzi]

he taught him how to defend himself really well... he mastered using the shadow clone jutsu in combat, where wen he was a kid he was still an novice at it, and also mastered the rasengan and some multiple forms of it (which once again is a huge acomplishment for someone that young)... he came back much stronger than wen he left... in his test against kakahsi/w sakura... he countered all of kakashi's tactics (which is a feat for a teenage ninja)... granted he's no prodigy like itachi or sasuke, but for his age at the time he was at the top of his class (minus sasuke).... you have to master the basics before you learn the harder stuff, and naruto was very weak in the basics when he left, when he came back he learned all of it (defense, attack, analyzing the threat, and even though he's not great at it he at least know wat genjutsu can do and how to try and resist it)...

 

[chopstickchakra]

was Naruto growth under Jiraiya realistic?

Naruto literally learned nothing new on his trip with Jiraiya yet in less than a year back in Konoha he created an S-Ranked jutsu, mastered Sage Mode, and controlled the Kyuubi.

I get that Jiraiya was trying to teach him to be a better Shinobi overall but come on, no elemental or successful bijuu training in THREE YEARS. that's a little hard to believe.

I feel like after rereading and watching the beginning of shippuden Kishi really dropped the ball with Naruto's nonexistent development.

My opinion if you disagree say so.

Why is it that hard to believe? Jiraiya trained him to handle his chakra better which in turn led to him being able to tame Kurama easier when the time came. Jiraiya didn't have wind releae so he couldn't have taught Naruto anything about it only Asuma could. He wasn't a Bijuu only B could teach him about that. Their 3 years of training focused mostly on controlling Kurama and preventing an incident like at the bridge when he went 4 tails. Without Jiraiya's help Naruto would have entered his premature KC mode a lot more.

 

[Nidds]

I see ur point but all he taught was rasengan that's probably why he spams rasengan alot

The Plotseng....I mean Rasengan has been Naruto's best tool as of late lol

 

[Kakashi the hokage]

he taught him how to defend himself really well... he mastered using the shadow clone jutsu in combat, where wen he was a kid he was still an novice at it, and also mastered the rasengan and some multiple forms of it (which once again is a huge acomplishment for someone that young)... he came back much stronger than wen he left... in his test against kakahsi/w sakura... he countered all of kakashi's tactics (which is a feat for a teenage ninja)... granted he's no prodigy like itachi or sasuke, but for his age at the time he was at the top of his class (minus sasuke).... you have to master the basics before you learn the harder stuff, and naruto was very weak in the basics when he left, when he came back he learned all of it (defense, attack, analyzing the threat, and even though he's not great at it he at least know wat genjutsu can do and how to try and resist it)...

He didn't master shadow clones until after the FRS training and he mastered one slightly bigger rasengan. As for the fight with Kakashi I agree he held his own somewhat well but he didn't use any jutsu besides the two he had already.

 

[Touken]

I agree but I didn't want to see Naruto get all these power-ups without us seeing how he got them.

Jiraiya taught Naruto the fundamental rules of being a shinobi and he taught him the basics of ninjutsu/genjutsu/taijutsu. He literally knew nothing about ninjutsu/genjutsu and his taijutsu was weak.

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

I believe that the purpose of Jiraiya's training was twofold.

Naruto attended the ninja academy for a number of years, but due to his constant pranks, sleeping, and outright skipping of class, he did not learn as much as he should have, and perhaps retained even less than that. Jiraiya's training served to drill the academy fundamentals into Naruto, raising his skills in all areas. Naruto's skills post their training was an ideal Naruto that, despite his personality quirks, was a fully realized ninja skillwise.

The second purpose of the training was to teach Naruto the philosophical aspects of being a ninja. In that regard he taught Naruto his personal philosophies and helped lay the foundation from which Naruto would reenforce his own "ninja way." This is what I thought the training was for.

 

[Crow Zero]

The point he takes naruto not the sole purpose of train him but to keep him away from akatsuki.

 

[cptenn94]

well consider what he had to work with, and the fact that much of the training was used to try to control kurama, and that jman was injured for a period of like a month-a few months, in which he was deathly ill.

Naruto showed massive improvements with useing kage bushin(as before he would mostly just spam clones)

Also naruto got somewhat better at useing strategys, and simply being more ninja like(as in part 1, naruto did ZERO analyzeing during battle.

But yeah, naruto couldve, and shouldve gotten at least a few non elemental techniques.

 

[take it easy]

Also naruto got somewhat better at useing strategys, and simply being more ninja like(as in part 1, naruto did ZERO analyzeing during battle.

But yeah, naruto couldve, and shouldve gotten at least a few non elemental techniques.

fight with gaara, zabuza, kiba, amegakure genjutsu master and many more.

 

[Sazzi]

He didn't master shadow clones until after the FRS training and he mastered one slightly bigger rasengan. As for the fight with Kakashi I agree he held his own somewhat well but he didn't use any jutsu besides the two he had already.

i was refering to his mastery of the tech in battle... before he mostly just threw clones at ppl... now he actually uses them for base strategy, to come up with tactics and see how the enemy moves... i no mastering them as a training aid came later...