[Theory] Rikudou Sennin Wife was a Hyuuga.
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First of all, if YOU read what I wrote, I clearly stated that I know your statement already talked about Kakashi's statement, and I said what you said was irrelevant based on the fact that whether or not Kakashi came up with it or not, just like he probably didn't come up with the argument that So6P was a myth, it is still what he believes, and since his first belief about matters dating that far back is wrong, and that belief is directly connected to the hyuga belief, it is better not to trust kakashi on this.
Logic is a valid source to base a theory on, as long as it's sound logic. Also that wasn't directed towards you, it was towards someone else, in a separate post, I don't think your post doesn't follow logic, I'm just saying some things are wrong about it and some logic is off.
The point of that wasn't to say that their origins in joining the leaf are ambiguous, it was to point out and show that the Hyuga is at the end of rumors that make themselves look high and mighty, where one of the 3 we know, we know isn't true, another is debatable, and the last is the topic of this post, that sharingan came down from byakugan. Theses rumors are not a reliable source of information.
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On the wiki, rotation is only considered to be a taijutsu and a kekkei genkai. I was being lenient and saying the chakra they put in their fingers makes it barely a ninjutsu, but now I don't have to be. It's not a ninjutsu. In the same way you wouldn't call tsunade's kick or sakura's punch a ninjutsu, this is not a ninjutsu. Adding chakra to your hand doesn't automatically make it a ninjutsu. Rasengan is an all out jutsu, because the attack itself is a chakra based attack, that he happens to carry with his hand. With chidori as well, you attack is not a jab, it is you plunging the chidori that's on your hand into someone's unsuspecting chest. With rotation, your just putting chakra into your fingers to enhance the attack. The Hyuga don't use any ninjutsu whatsoever. Also, taijutsu is a jutsu, so your argument there is wrong, albeit irrelevant anyways.
Idgaf the reasons why the post isn't as solid as it could be (The post is actually not baseless, just some of the things you bassed it on are in my opinion, and some factually, wrong), the fact is that it is, and I'm here to point that out. If kishi underdeveloped it, that would probably mean that they are no important enough to be developed more than they already have been. That's the most backwards way to use logic. You don't find things to make a clan more important, you make a clan more important when you find things about it. You enter this theory creation with a biased mind and you end up usually creating truth where there is none because you don't have the right goal in mind.
Also, where is your sarutobi thread? Where is your fuma thread? Your shimura thread? Your EVERY SINGLE CLAN EXCEPT FOR THE UCHIHA AND SENJU THREAD? Most clans are completely undeveloped except for their abilities, for some not even that has been developed. It just comes down to a minor case of fanboyism really.
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Gee, im sorry. Dont go all bold on me. Continuing...I also said that no one since now tried to argue with this logic, while in the Rinnegan case there were people who disagreed with Kakashi logic and we knew about it. Thats my argument
Some logic is off, but besides the Kakashi thing (Arguing wether Kakashi was wrong OR right will get us nowhere here...) What is proved wrong, i may try to fix it.
Well, the Hyuuga made a difference in the 3d ninja war, i think thats more of a fact then a rumor. And how am i supposed to make a theory if i cant base myself on unconfirmed things, i cant consider every posibility.
Ok, i said: The Hyuuga's have the strongest taijutsu, which is a combination of doujutsu, taijutsu, and ninjutsu. Body of Senju, Eyes of Hyuuga, Chakra manipulation of Uchiha. I take that back. Now i can say: The Hyuuga's have the strongest taijutsu, which is a combination of doujutsu and taijutsu. Body of Senju, Eyes of Hyuuga, Chakra manipulation of Uchiha. How does that prove me wrong, my argument is almost the same.
Its because that Kishimoto underveloped the Hyuuga that i want an explanation. Kishi also gave no explanation on the Uzumaki, the main character`s clan. Do you think that just because he gave no explanation up till now and barely mentioned the Uzumaki in these two hundred chapters he wont give us an explanation on the clan?
Yes, i like the Hyuuga, what about it? Is it wrong to want an explanation and to like the Hyuuga? Im not very interested in the fuma, the Shimura or the Sarutobi clan. They have nothing interesting about them. We have seen literaly NOTHING about them. With all we`ve seen of these clans we cant even form a theory out of it. The Hyuuga is in between the Sarutobi and the Senju in terms of development, its like something that was started but never finished. Its the same thing as the Uzumaki clan.
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As I already said, kakashi has never said this in front of any adult, and it has only been said once, and kakashi didn't even say it was true, he just said that's what some peoplw say. There isn't even an oppurtunity for a counter argument to be made. Also that logic doesn't ever make sense anyways. If kakashi says "some people say that mermaids are real" and no one is given the oppurtunity to disagree with me, does that mean that you can use that as evidence? Especially in a manga, not having seen something does not mean that it doesn't exist. I would say that there is a 99% chance that this was a topic of controversy. And also with the rinnegan, if pain didn't have the rinnegan, then no one would have disagreed with Kakashi in the first place (That we know of). You can't use that as evidence that he's right.
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Okay, so just because the hyuga made an impact on the war means that they are the most powerful clan? No. It's still a rumor. Whether or not it is true is debatable. And the answer is that you aren't supposed to make a theory with solid logic or evidence or facts. If you do then your just speculating, and that is a waste of time.
Okay, seriously? Putting chakra into your fingers is something that any ninja worthy of calling themselves a ninja should be able to do. That is not any high level of chakra manipulation at all. That's like saying that if you can walk on water by putting chakra in your feet then you show the traits of the Uchiha clan. That's just plain dumb. I mentioned ninjutsu because ninjutsu is the highest measure of chakra power. Like Madara and obito's gigantic fire jutsu, or even Itachi's Giant fire ball jutsu, or sasuke's, etc. That's how you can say someone has uchiha level chakra power, if they can create attacks with so much power. You are pretty much saying "the hyuga can use chakra so they have a trait of the uchiha's" which is dumb.
You want an explanation? He didn't develop clans because they weren't important enough to the story. He only develops things if and when the story requires it. If the story does not require the hyuga to be developed, then they won't get developed. It's a simple as that.
It is developed as much as it needs to be. If you crave more that's your problem.
In terms of power Rinnegan > EMS >>> MS >>>>>>>>>> 3 tomoe >> byakugan >> 2 tomoe > 1 tomoe. What I was saying at first was the way devolution went. Going from rinnegan to basic sharingan and then byakugan