The Senju and Uchiha founded Konoha, those two are the oldest clans. This is manga fact, Kakashi's statement has already been retconned.
In Hashirama and Madara's conversation during the flashback, its suggested that the Sarutobi and Shimura clans came after the Senju and Uchiha.
The Rikudo Sennin story (and the Juubi itself having an eye with tomoe) already proves that the Sharingan in no way came from the Byakugan, but came from the Juubi itself.
I hate to burst your bubble, but there is literally no evidence to suggest that the Hyuuga are part of the Rikudo Sennin story in any way. If anything, the lack of attention Kishi pays to the Hyuuga suggests that they simply aren't part of that story.
I'm of the opinion that the Byakugan simply doesn't have anything to do with the Rikudo Sennin and is just another KKG that happens to be a doujutsu. I think some Hyuuga fans just want the Byakugan to be somehow relevant to the main story and grasp at the thinnest of straws in doing so...
"Manga Fact"? No, not really. And dont be sorry, you idnt "Burst my bubble". The Senju and the Uchiha arent the oldest clan in the leaf. They are the first, yeah. But there is nothing that contradicts the oldest clan statement, Just because they didnt join the leaf at first dosent mean they arent the oldest clan. It was never stated that the Sharingan came from the Juubi. I agree its the most posible theory, but i also never said that the Byakugan originated the Byakugan, i said that the Hyuuga originated the Uchiha. And i dont really care wether the Hyuuga are pointless to this story or not, i still want an explanation.
If somehow, So6P meets Naruto in his psyche then he will suggest Naruto not to marry a Hyuuga girl (Hinata) or else another generation will be again like Elder and Younger son battling for world.
BTW : Who cares about SO6P's wife.
If somehow, So6P meets Naruto in his psyche then he will suggest Naruto not to marry a Hyuuga girl (Hinata) or else another generation will be again like Elder and Younger son battling for world.
BTW : Who cares about SO6P's wife.
I dont think it would be much different if he married a Haruno...in fact, he should have only one son, no matter with who, that would solve the problem.
no....im sorry but your slow the byakugan came from the ancestor who sharingan was white when he was corrupted it turned red for sharingan this theory is just total nothing sorry bu ti proved this wrong hundreds of times or even thousands you need more study
Plausible, but it aint happening. Tbh byakugan is most likley just a powered down mutation of sharingan basically Rinnegan> EMS > MS > 3 tomoe > 2 tomoe > 1 tomoe > Byakugan. Kakashi was just overhyping byakugan and hyuga, since nothing related to that statement has ever been mentioned again.
Laltely i have been researching through various forums the origin of the Hyuuga, its a topic that somehow interests me. I found very interesting theories but one that called my atention was none less than the theory that the Sage Of Six Paths wife was a Hyuuga. While this is normally used by pairing fans to make Naruhina look better, i prefer not to mention pairings...oh, wait, i did that already. Then forget about it... lets start this.
In this theory, lets asume the sage was an Uzumaki.
To start it off: The Hyuuga are old, and by old i mean REALLY old!
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And the Uchiha came from them...
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Before i go on i must say: In most the forums there was an counterargument to this part: "This is the same Kakashi who said the Rinnegan was a mutation and that Rikudou was a fairy tale. He is not the best when it comes to origins." Well, I counter that with simple logic. Kakashi didnt come up with that logic. You see, knowledge is something that is passed by generation to generation, Kakashi cant have had this conclusion himself, someone else told him that. And even tough that is the same thing with the story about the Rinnegan, there we had people who disagreed with him. I cant remember of a Char saying: Bullshit! The Hyuuga did not originate from the Uchiha!! I only saw very angry forum members saying that.
Continuing...
While i cant get much solid proof on this theory (I blame you for not developing the Hyuuga clan further, Kishimoto...) I can get something to reflect about:
Note how the Hyuuga's have the strongest taijutsu, which is a combination of doujutsu, taijutsu, and ninjutsu ? Body of Senju, Eyes of Hyuuga, Chakra manipulation of Uchiha? Guess you could say...
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Also, taking in consideration that the four clans (Senju, Uchiha, Uzumaki, and Hyuuga) are connected, wouldn't that make sense? The Senju and Uzumaki received the body, the Uchiha and Hyuuga recieved the eyes. Various techiniques were passed down to each bloodline that originated from the Sage and his Wife, it's possible right?
The Conclusion (In sir derp Obito`s words): From the Uzumaki and Hyuuga Bloodline came the union between Rikudou Sennin (Uzumaki) and The Hyuuga Ancestress
From this union came the Elder Son who established the Uchiha Clan and the Younger Son who established the Senju Clan.
The Uzumaki relatives of Rikudou Sennin are the direct ancestors of the present-day Uzumakis (Uzumaki Clan Leader, Mito, Nagato, Karin, Naruto,etc.)
The Hyuuga relatives of Rikudou Sennin's wife are the direct ancestors of the present-day Hyuugas (Hiashi, Hizashi, Neji, Hinata, Hanabi, etc.)
The present-day Uzumakis then are distant cousins of both the present-day Uchihas and Senjus through their paternal side (Rikudou Sennin)
The present-day Hyuugas are also distant cousins of the Uchihas and Senjus through the maternal side (Hyuuga Ancestress)
I believe a Hyuuga and an Uzumaki had a child together.
That child is the sage of the six paths that we know.
I find that a better way to give the Hyuuga their place in the story of Naruto world.
I really like your graph (looks nice), but I dont agree with it and not with the theory either.
Why would you find this more likely, than the sage being the child of an Uzumaki and a Hyuuga?
It would give the Hyuuga more relation to the sage and a more important role.
It would give the sage additional abilities vs the Juubi and make it more believable that he won the battle 1 on 1.
It would allow the current Hyuuga to help in the fight with their abilities, cause they have been required in the past as well, when the sage fought vs the Juubi.
His wife most likely didnt help in that battle (seeing how Kishi throughout the manga, doesnt give the female characters much importance), so that would make it more difficult to allow the current Hyuuga, to be given an important role in the current battle.
One son being all about the yang and the body and the other one being all about the yin and the eyes seems to me, not likely to happen if they were born the natural way.
If the creation of all things jutsu, has been used by the sage, to create his sons, would make this more likely. That means he can have done everything without a wife.
I hate it, HATE IT, when people quote kakashi on this. Yes, he stated that THEY SAY that the Uchiha came from the hyuga. However Kakashi's word can't be taken this far back in history. Recall that it was his own belief that Rikudou sennin was a myth, and that the rinnegan was a mutation. If he doesn't even belief that the man that the uchiha factually came from, his word on the matter is irrelevant. And I know that you addressed this and said that the knowledge didn't come from him, but kakashi probably also didn't come up with thinking that the sage was mythical either. The fact is that this is kakashi's belief and that in this matter kakashi's beliefs are irrelevant.
Just use your brains.
Eventually, So6P fell into legend. This therefore created ambiguity as to the origins of the uchiha clan. Now on a very basic level, the sharingan and byakugan allow you to do the same thing, see everything. However, the Hyuga can see 359 degrees, while the Uchiha can only see what's in front of their eyes. There is a logical path for the rumor that the sharingan is just a diluted version of the rinnegan, especially since they might not have known all about the sharingan's other powers, and only known of the vision part.
At the same time, the children of the sage were said to be an exact split of his own traits, and thus his own dna. For this to ever happen, even a little bit, he must express the same traits as his partner, and therefore his partner would have had to been of the same clan, uzumaki, unless he reproduced asexually through the rinnegan (lol). It would be a watered down version of half the sage's power, but that's the only way to get an actual split.
The Hyuga were only stated to be a part of this interrelation based on Kakashi's statement. Which is bullshit. So I call bullshit.
When you take the statements "The Hyuga are the strongest in the Leaf" and "The Hyuga are the oldest in the leaf", you ignore the fact that the Uchiha and the Senju are most likely dead. We know the Uchiha clan is dead, and I'm pretty sure that if there was still a Senju clan, we would have seen it by now in the war. There may be senju remaining, but I highly doubt the clan still exists. Then you forget the fact that after the village was created, the first clans to join were the sarutobi and the shimura. However there is also no evidence that the shimura clan still exists, and there maybe be a dispute as to the sarutobi's power, but they have definitely been there longer. ANd the sarutobi have appeared in this war, so that already makes the age statement a mere untrue rumor. It seems as if the Hyuga either propagate themselves of being such a great clan, or others do it for them, to the level that untrue rumors are made, such as them being the oldest, and the uchiha coming from them.
Their move is barely a ninjutsu, I don't know how putting chakra in 2 of your fingers qualifies as a ninjutsu or a prowess over your spiritual energies. On the contrary, Hyuga's haven't been shown using any real ninjutsu whatsoever. If it doesn't happen, not even once, I'm led to believe it's more than just coincidental.
Your argument about no one disagreeing with kakashi is invalid because that's the only time it was brought up ever. I'm pretty sure if we saw more uchiha, and interaction between the 2 clans, it would be a topic every time they were together.
There are only 2 points to which your argument has validity. And the first is Naruhina, so that's not a good start. Just as the sage being Uzumaki is a theory which can also support itself based on the fact that naruto is, the naruhina romance also has an influence on this, making their situations or marriage identical, and completing the image of naruto as the next sage. The second poitn, and again this is murky water, is the way that the Uchiha's ancestor's eye is presented. I haven't seen/I don't know if what I've seen are official colorings, but if they are, it is pretty much the mix between white and purple. That's all I got for you, and neither of those are solid facts at all. The only thing you have on your side is the plot. In my opinion.
I believe a Hyuuga and an Uzumaki had a child together.
That child is the sage of the six paths that we know.
I find that a better way to give the Hyuuga their place in the story of Naruto world.
I really like your graph (looks nice), but I dont agree with it and not with the theory either.
Why would you find this more likely, than the sage being the child of an Uzumaki and a Hyuuga?
It would give the Hyuuga more relation to the sage and a more important role.
It would give the sage additional abilities vs the Juubi and make it more believable that he won the battle 1 on 1.
It would allow the current Hyuuga to help in the fight with their abilities, cause they have been required in the past as well, when the sage fought vs the Juubi.
His wife most likely didnt help in that battle (seeing how Kishi throughout the manga, doesnt give the female characters much importance), so that would make it more difficult to allow the current Hyuuga, to be given an important role in the current battle.
One son being all about the yang and the body and the other one being all about the yin and the eyes seems to me, not likely to happen if they were born the natural way.
If the creation of all things jutsu, has been used by the sage, to create his sons, would make this more likely. That means he can have done everything without a wife.
I hate it, HATE IT, when people quote kakashi on this. Yes, he stated that THEY SAY that the Uchiha came from the hyuga. However Kakashi's word can't be taken this far back in history. Recall that it was his own belief that Rikudou sennin was a myth, and that the rinnegan was a mutation. If he doesn't even belief that the man that the uchiha factually came from, his word on the matter is irrelevant. And I know that you addressed this and said that the knowledge didn't come from him, but kakashi probably also didn't come up with thinking that the sage was mythical either. The fact is that this is kakashi's belief and that in this matter kakashi's beliefs are irrelevant.
Just use your brains.
Eventually, So6P fell into legend. This therefore created ambiguity as to the origins of the uchiha clan. Now on a very basic level, the sharingan and byakugan allow you to do the same thing, see everything. However, the Hyuga can see 359 degrees, while the Uchiha can only see what's in front of their eyes. There is a logical path for the rumor that the sharingan is just a diluted version of the rinnegan, especially since they might not have known all about the sharingan's other powers, and only known of the vision part.
At the same time, the children of the sage were said to be an exact split of his own traits, and thus his own dna. For this to ever happen, even a little bit, he must express the same traits as his partner, and therefore his partner would have had to been of the same clan, uzumaki, unless he reproduced asexually through the rinnegan (lol). It would be a watered down version of half the sage's power, but that's the only way to get an actual split.
The Hyuga were only stated to be a part of this interrelation based on Kakashi's statement. Which is bullshit. So I call bullshit.
When you take the statements "The Hyuga are the strongest in the Leaf" and "The Hyuga are the oldest in the leaf", you ignore the fact that the Uchiha and the Senju are most likely dead. We know the Uchiha clan is dead, and I'm pretty sure that if there was still a Senju clan, we would have seen it by now in the war. There may be senju remaining, but I highly doubt the clan still exists. Then you forget the fact that after the village was created, the first clans to join were the sarutobi and the shimura. However there is also no evidence that the shimura clan still exists, and there maybe be a dispute as to the sarutobi's power, but they have definitely been there longer. ANd the sarutobi have appeared in this war, so that already makes the age statement a mere untrue rumor. It seems as if the Hyuga either propagate themselves of being such a great clan, or others do it for them, to the level that untrue rumors are made, such as them being the oldest, and the uchiha coming from them.
Their move is barely a ninjutsu, I don't know how putting chakra in 2 of your fingers qualifies as a ninjutsu or a prowess over your spiritual energies. On the contrary, Hyuga's haven't been shown using any real ninjutsu whatsoever. If it doesn't happen, not even once, I'm led to believe it's more than just coincidental.
Your argument about no one disagreeing with kakashi is invalid because that's the only time it was brought up ever. I'm pretty sure if we saw more uchiha, and interaction between the 2 clans, it would be a topic every time they were together.
There are only 2 points to which your argument has validity. And the first is Naruhina, so that's not a good start. Just as the sage being Uzumaki is a theory which can also support itself based on the fact that naruto is, the naruhina romance also has an influence on this, making their situations or marriage identical, and completing the image of naruto as the next sage. The second poitn, and again this is murky water, is the way that the Uchiha's ancestor's eye is presented. I haven't seen/I don't know if what I've seen are official colorings, but if they are, it is pretty much the mix between white and purple. That's all I got for you, and neither of those are solid facts at all. The only thing you have on your side is the plot. In my opinion.
First off ill not bother to answer the Kakashi argument since i already did so in the theory, seriously read before write, people...
And...you claimed i was based on nothing solid but your using logic before facts...
And the Hyuuga arent the firsts in the leaf, that only proves that they either didnt existed or didnt join at first. Again, since this is a theory, ill go with the first.
Tell me, what do you clasify as Ninjutsu? The Rotation isnt a Ninjutsu? In that case the Rasengan is also no jutsu, when they clearly refered to it as a JUTSU.
And the final fact is that ALL the Hyuuga theories havent got a solid stand, why? Because the Hyuuga are underdeveloped. Thats exactly the point of these theories: To look for some explanation on this clan. Get it?
Plausible, but it aint happening. Tbh byakugan is most likley just a powered down mutation of sharingan basically Rinnegan> EMS > MS > 3 tomoe > 2 tomoe > 1 tomoe > Byakugan. Kakashi was just overhyping byakugan and hyuga, since nothing related to that statement has ever been mentioned again.
