[VS] Father And Son

[saw2097]

BM Naruto wins, its been established by Kurama and the toads that Naruto has surpassed his father.

 

[Takos]

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I firmly believe these statements were about Naruto's speed compared to Minato, not his power.

I highly doubt base Minato would win against current Naruto.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Wow, I've never seen so much manga denial and fact disregard in 1 post.

Dear God. Should I even take this garbage seriously?



No, They're one in the same. Rikubito is just a more complete version.

Yes.

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It's sad how you can't understand one is a fat, barely sentient being controlled by Juubi, and one is a fully sentient, very intelligent being controlled by obito.

Those two attacks are very different. I can't believe your seriously comparing a stationary kick to Obito's Shunshin.

>stationary kick.
What? Rofl What? The same way he

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(notice speed lines indicating forward movement, and juubito's extended upper torso. But you rpobably believe that's naturally long), is the same way he

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minato( Notice how long his lower back is. Unless you believe juubito's naturally a snake). Difference is 1 person was able to react, even when he couldn't see the initial blitz, while the other couldn't. period.

Next you'll claim naruto's reaction time is on par with tobirama. Lel.

As I've said before, blocking that kick is nothing, The Hiriashin seal doesn't even hinder him from blocking at all. Your trying to bend the evidence in the favor of Minato and its making you look like a fool.

I don't know what you're even trying to get at. Minato had enough reacction time to switch from a seal-sign to a block. Naruto and sasuke? Their hands didn't budge an inch. They were left rag-dolled.

Because Obito actually hit them with an attack that was fast, unlike he did to Minato. The second part also shows how Naruto did something much mechanically slower than Hiriashin nearly as fast as Minato activated said Jutsu.

Roflmysides. Cool bruh. You have proof that extending his torso to grab is as fast/faster than simply extending is lower half to kick? No? Me neither.
No. That's utter rubbish. Minato

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, he just had no where to go. Therefore naruto had plenty time after to do is slow shit.

Minato was fully aware of how fast Obito was at this point. Shock doesn't play any factor here as its pure speculation. Minato wasn't able to even to mentally register Obito's speed in time. As I said previous, Obito chose to stick him instead of finish him.

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, turning into

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is more than enough to slow you down through surprise/shock. Minato expected Obito to gain full control at that point huh? BEt he was fully aware of this too.

"Minato wasn't able to even to mentally register Obito's speed in time"
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Kunai breaks, turns eyes to obito's incoming hand and has enough time to mentally say 'shit'
>But wasn't able to mentally register in time
Lolok.

The whole basis for this "counter" is laughable. You keep humping the fact that Minato blocked Juubito's kick when its nowhere near as fast as his Shunshin. They're not even comparable. Also as said before, Obito stuck him so that he would send the ChoMini Bijudama back with him.

Minato never tried to shushin to dodge it, he simply blocked it. That even shuts down the stupid notion that he's only fast with FTG. Yes, Obito knows if he hits an Edo they don't revive, but his plan was to allow minato to survive. Shut up, you sound retarded. Minato would have been blasted into pieces if obito got the chance. Without him, naruto and sasuke would be dead. Obito already knows he has FTG so claiming he let minato go so he could blow up naruto and sasuke is just utter fanboyism. Obito would have known that garbage would get FTG'd away.

I see you fail to comprehend logic. Naruto was able to extend his chakra arms in slightly less time than it took for Minato to try FTG, which speaks leaps and bounds about Naruto's own reaction time since Minato is in possession of the same Rikudo Mode that Minato does and Minato was unable to do the same.

Minato tried FTG

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Minato realised it was a no go

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- So much time has already passed that juubito has made 2 black orbs and started the hole in his hand to decapitate naruto and sasuke.
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and minato saves him.

Not sure if I should take any of this seriously either. You keep trying to give Minato a "Free Pass" for his reactions. Naruto had never seen A's V2 Shunshin and only had the same intel as Minato. Yet was able to do as I explained in that thread. The garbage you posted here isn't even worth an in depth explanation to how false it is.

Because Getting to see 2-3 other Shushin and a 'I'm coming now' isn't enough time to prepare your reaction.
All naruto did was run around Ay while ay's fist already reached into a stone behind naruto.
Minato tossed up a kunai, shushined to a tree, shushined back to the kunai, grabbed it, and was about to lunge it into Ay's back when killer bee came by and minato Cut his tentacle. All this happened before Ay could move a foot, whereas he moved a few feet with naruto.

Stop wanking naruto. Running will never be faster than straight up teleportation.

This makes no sense. Nor does it discredit what I said previous.

Because you don't know how to use logic and understanding.

Naruto and minato are two guys standing in an open field. The task is to dodge a bullet. Naruto gets two previous spots ( non of which aimed to hit him) so he can test out the speed of said bullet to react in time. When it's finally time, gun man says he's going to fire now, and naruto runs around bullet.
Minato on the other hand. He's just standing in the field and the gun is just whipped out and shot. Minato is sitting there like 'oh shit', but thinks to toss up the kunai in his hand, shushin out of the path of the bullet, then shushin back to his kunai to knock that very bullet out of the air.

If you can't tell which feat is more impressive, then you may have a learning disability.

Obito hadn't gained that ability yet. Your still ignoring obvious things to try and skew the match in Minato's favor.

Are you a moron? Like seriously, Are you? Obito

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with black balls and a black staff. The same black staff and balls used after wards to cut a kunai, destroy amaterasu, destroy minato's arm, etc. We even get the explanation of why minato's hand didn't grow back, and it was because of Inyouton.

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"Your mental common sense and logic no longer apply to me"
"That guy is most likely using A light and Dark jutsu(inyouton) that's capable of nullifying all other jutsu"

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Why is that? Because hee was hit with Inyouten Right after juubito transformed. unless you have a scan to prove minato lost his arm a second time.

It has everything to do with Hiriashin.

Lol no. S/T barrier and Hirashin work completely different. Don't go skewing manga fact because you can't think of a logical strategy.

Someone doesn't know how FTG works. Surprising from someone wanking Minato so hard.

Posting manga scans and manga fact is wanking, but talking out of your Ass isn't? Well, bruh, it seems you're just in a bind and actually have no idea how to defeat minato considering he's canonically trumped everything naruto has bar SM.
>Provide link of minato stating how FTG works
>Tells me i'm wrong and wanking, can't disprove minato's own claim.
Come back when you can prove that opening up a simple link between 2 kunai takes more/similar chakra to that of warping a massive bijuu.

Again, Something only Edo Minato was able to do. After seeing what you've posted so far, I don't really care what you believe the outcome of SM Naruto vs Minato would be.

Alive minato warped Kyuubi TBB with no strain.
bold: Because you're being biased and blind. The frogs said naruto surpassed jiraiya and minato, but that doesn't mean he's beating them. In respect to sage mode(which he perfected and they didn't) he long surpassed them. Maybe naruto can beat minato with sage mode, but with only 5 minutes? I highly doubt it.

I'm certain you're probably one of those who believe SM naruto > Pain when there was clearly no intent to kill and kyuubi made an appearance. You probably even chock up Nagato almost ripping out KCM naruto's soul as the plot no jutsu.

Assuming Minato has time to redo Hakke Fuin. The rest is also void, even RM Minato is slower than RM Naruto by feats. Most of this is... Unsurprisingly... rubbish.


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As you can see, I didn't use any scans or go indepth as im utterly disgusted with how badly your wanking Minato. Your outright denying canon to give Minato freebies and its so irritating to the point where I didn't even read all of your post. Its posts like these that make me lose faith in the base.

Call me arrogant and maybe its just me, because im used to a much higher level of debate, but this post is just utterly sad.

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The seal is being reactivated before naruto even becomes aware. Spinning his wrist isn't a hard task.

"As you can see, I didn't use any scans or go indepth as im utterly disgusted with how badly your wanking Minato."
Yes, clear symptom of pulling things out your ass. As you can see, I used plenty of manga fact and manga claims to back up my responses. You on the other hand, simply make shit up and pull out of your ass and then rub me off as a minato wanker for actually providing manga scans of how minato can possibly win. Get out of here you fanboy. Only fanboys call people wankers for providing manga fact they can't deny.

"Your outright denying canon to give Minato freebies"
Explaining a scan to you that you clearly have no intelligence to understand is denying?

1)You claimed naruto used chakra arms before minato could FTG
2) You claimed getting to see a speedblitz twice and a heads up gives you the exact same reaction time as the guy going off a rumor.
3) You claim that S/T Barrier completely gassed minato when he didn't even break a sweat[

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] and proceeded to fight Obito afterwards, use a contract seal, summon gamabunta, and warp Kyuubi away. But don't worry, I'm going to post your response for you. You'll say

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bead of sweat is from chakra loss instead of almost getting surprise warped away by some unknown guy.
4) You claim minato wouldn't even have time to do hakke fuujin when the guy with instantaneous Intangibility couldn't dodge the kunai-to-kidney contract seal.
5) You claim obito hadn't gained inyouton(omneyouten) yet, when the ****ing manga specifically stated he's using inyouton and that's why minato's arm isn't regenerating.
6) You claim juubito gave minato a stationary kick while he blitzed naruto and sasuke. This is so much rubbish considering juubito was a fat pile of shit and had to extend to get to minato in the first place. Even the highly reactive tobirama got blasted with a hole in his chest while minato lost an arm at the socket.
7) You claim juubito and obito are the same (best one). That's like claiming 6/8 tail out of control naruto is the same as KCM naruto. :vincent: One is being controlled by the bijuu and has almost no logic, the other has perfectly channeled power and the logic of jin.


"Call me arrogant and maybe its just me, because im used to a much higher level of debate, but this post is just utterly sad. "
Don't worry, I call you an ignorant, idiotic fanboy. Good job labelling yourself a narutard. Next time don't deny manga fact to give naruto a victory, at least post some of your own manga fact.

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Can someone else take up naruto's case. A non Narutard that is. I don't mind/care if people believe naruto can win, it's highly possible he can, but at least post something sensible.
My reasoning Why i think minato wins is basically due to the fact that he made the seal on naruto's stomach so he knows exactly how it works and exactly how to mess up naruto's control, while using FTG or S/T barriers to save himself from naruto's deadly attacks.

 

[BazzBee]

Naruto solos

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[xcoyote]

lolGoodboy wall of text and shit,Nardo stomps :|

 

[AGoodBoy]

lolGoodboy wall of text and shit,Nardo stomps :|

no one even states why :|

 

[Fecal Matter]

lolGoodboy wall of text and shit,Nardo stomps :|

At least he's actually going into detail.