Sasuke was blitzed at that same moment. Minato was blitzed by Obito at a later time.
It was a different obito. Juubito(juubi controlled obito) and obito(Perfectly channeling juubi chakra) are different. Using Obito feats with juubito feats is a bit ignorant. the same obito that blitzed
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, couldn't even
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- notice how he was completely blindsided by the attack. In
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panel we see him change is head to naruto's position(can't see obito), but in the scan i linked before, he had time to become aware of juubito's kick, and change his hands from a 'hirashin seal' position, to a blocking position. Naruto/Sasuke couldn't even do a single thing to defend against the juubito attack; naruto only saving them due to the interval of juubito's atomizing attack which allowed him to use chakra arms for minato to hirashin away.
Except for the part where his arm got tore off. I could even go so far as to say that Obito allowed him to escape so he could send a ChoMini Bijudama back with him [
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Except minato was slowed down by
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. Not only did obito just gain full control, but he also cut through minato's kunai like butter. Minato was caught off guard. When obito used inyouton to cut minato's kunai effortlessly, there was nothing to stop minato's forward momentum, which propelled his already incredible speed into that of obito's own. It's like a baseball bat coming to a speeding ball; it's harder to react in time. The fact that minato only lost an arm instead of a hole in his body already proves his speed. Furthermore, the fact that obito was capable of 'sticky bombing' him also proves the leap in speed from juubito(couldn't blitz minato but could blitz naruto) to obito.
Your claim that minato couldn't activate hirashin in time is complete rubbish and you know it. juubito no longer had a marking on him as stated in the followup chapter, so that claim is completely useless. There was nothing for minato to jump to to save them. Naruto extending chakra arms means nothing considering it's also minato's reaction time that allowed them to be saved. A slight delay in minato using FTG at that point would leave them headless.
Minato barely reacted to A's Shunshin with Hiriashin.
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Nonsense. Complete and utter nonsense.
Minato
"
RUMOR has it that you're incredibly fast"[
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]. Minato had less than a clue of how fast Ay actually was. Ay's blitz took him by complete surprise, but yet, during that shock and awe of his incredible speed and already pointblank distance; Minato not only had the reaction time/presence of mind to think up his next move, but he was fast enough to toss a kunai with enough strength that it flew past Ay's head before Ay could move, then FTG back to said kunai, grab it, point it to ay's back, then cut off bee's tentacle all while Ay moved about 6 inches. Minato's hand and kunai moved much further than Ay in a few seconds,
during a surprise attack.
Ay began his blitz
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and minato already thought up his next move for this massive speed feat that he
never saw and only heard
rumors of. He had no way to actually gauge how insanely fast that is, yet he did this.[
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Naruto
On the other hand. Naruto was completely shit wrecked by ay's speed
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and
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. And, notice that in the first scan, he started so fast that the force he put into his movement was capable of
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Naruto had to witness Ay's blitz Twice(intel), and get a
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You're trying to claim that a guy who dodged a surprise blitz is on par/slower than a guy who dodged a blitz after seeing it 2 times prior, and a heads up. Ok then.
So if I sprint at you and all the time you have is to move your hand before you get clobbered then you would really consider yourself as fast as me? That A could be speculated to be slower than War A.
So, if you suddenly pull out a pistol on me and fire instantly, but I was able to teleport away, then teleport back to your bullet and almost slap the bullet away, I'm slower than a guy who dodged
MAYBE a faster bullet after getting 2 test shots, and a 'I'm firing the gun now'?
That's logically inaccurate. Clearly minato has the better reaction feats. Naruto's always surprised by speed blitzes where as Obito Juubi Jin is the first ever person to land a hit on minato.
Maybe in your imagination,
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. Its also never stated that they can't be destroyed, and as far as we know they all have been since the only other were in Kono and used to redirect Kurama's attacks.
Rofl.
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, that's a manga fact. Come back to me when naruto can break the laws and logic of the manga with
CREATION OF ALL THINGS. Naruto isn't removing any FTG seal placed on him, nor are they getting destroyed. All TBB's are warped to the sea, konoha, etc.
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after teleporting
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and then teleporting the
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. Flash Bijudama would eat up all his chakra multiple times over. Not that it matters, RM is more than enough to beat Minato and a smarter way to fight him. I could even argue for Current SM Naruto beating him.
Also, are you blantantly ignoring obvious facts like Minato warping Kami Bijudama when he was an Edo?
bold has nothing to do with FTG barrier.
Minato showed no signs of strain after teleporting a TBB. He only showed exhaution after warping Kyuubi.
S/T Barrier, and FTG are 2 completely different jutsu. S/T Barrier transfers something from 1 kunai to another while FTG barrier transfers someone to a kunai. Furthermore, minato states that whatever he transports needs to be in
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, therefore the chakra required to transport kyuubi(extending his chakra far enough to touch it from ontop bunta), is faaaarrrrrrrrrr more than a simple ftg between 2 kunai. There is nothing suggesting S/T barrier takes any massive toll. Minato Being gassed after a FTG teleportation has
nothing to do with chakra cost of S/T Barrier.
Flash/multiple bijuudama's are easily warped by tossing a Kunai at them like with juubi's TBB. The fact you even thing SM Naruto can take on minato is just sad at best... Sm naruto can't avoid or hit minato. He's easily tagged and killed with a rasengan or slit throat.
Naruto can use RM with the seal active [
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. Naruto stomps undeniably and that opinion will remain yours alone and maybe bogards (Although my respect for him has gone up tremendously since our last conversation.)
This was also a rebuttal post, I havn't even begun to scratch the surface.
This is the only serious point here.
Naruto requires the Key to unlock the seal. [
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Not only did minato put that seal on naruto's stomach, but he was also the one who even
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. Minato
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, and possibly even change the key for that matter( this time without giving it to anyone). Without the key, there's no way for naruto to unlock the 'gate' and access BM mode. He'd be reduced to KCM at best through the use of
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he pulled away from kyuubi. KCM isn't enough to beat minato as naruto's best jutsus - Giant rasenshuriken and mini-tbb - will never be able to hit minato, nor does naruto have the required speed to stop from being tagged. Furthermore, with the Sealing jutsu minato learnt from the uzumaki, it's possible that he knows some other seals. Minato might be able to simply slap a 5 element seal, or any other 'odd number' seal, for that matter, onto naruto's own to completely **** up his entire chakra control. From there it's all downhill; Naruto wouldn't be going KCM anytime soon.
Minato wins this.
A lot of this is massive speculation and easily countered by the manga. I'll respond to this later tonight. The only problem i she on this rebuttal is your post on the seal.
