Kakashi > Jiraiya?

[Guardian of the Rain]

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[FourthSmokage]

Give it a couple more chapters and I bet Kakashi would smack Jiraiya

 

[Beetle]

Any Sannin > Kakashi

 

[teejay3kings]

Base Jiraiya might not win but sage mode Jiraiya will win against Kakashi High Diff.

 

[ShippudenRules]

Jiraiya is better and Kamui won't save Kakashi for this match.

 

[Black Wolf]

Kakashi is stronger at this point, objectively speaking. His base form is noticeably superior to Jiraiya's in most, if not all aspects (speed, Taijutsu, Genjutsu, weapon usage, jutsu versatility). Kakashi's trump card (Kamui) is significantly faster than any technique Jiraiya has at his disposal, is nearly impossible to counter, and is much more easily accessible than Jiraiya's ascended arsenal (Sage Mode, which requires decent prep time).

 

[Kαmi]

Kakashi > Base Jiraiya low dif
Kakashi > Base Jiraiya w/Gamabunta high dif
SM Jiraiya w/aid from Ma and Pa > Kakashi mid dif
SM Jiraiya w/aid from Ma and Pa + giant toad(s) > Kakashi low dif

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Kakashi > base Jiraiya high diff IMO
That's a very nice number indeed *_*

 

[Fodder#4]

I'm not sure who would win....

 

[Kαmi]

The polls are dead even!

 

[Haru70]

What makes such a difference between the one now and before?

Hm, it seems pretty unaminous so I guess you got a point. I thought Kakashi's taijutsu, Sharingan reflexes, clone usage, and various jutsus would make him more of a matchup though.

Nah its not unanimous, lol. A lot voted Kakashi on the poll, they're just not speaking up.

 

[Kαmi]

Kakashi is stronger at this point, objectively speaking. His base form is noticeably superior to Jiraiya's in most, if not all aspects, and his trump card is significantly faster than any technique Jiraiya has as his disposal, nearly impossible to counter, and much more easily accessible than Jiraiya's ascended arsenal (Sage Mode, which requires decent prep time).

I do agree that base Kakashi is stronger than base J-man but shouldn't summonings be capable of allowing J-man to get to SM? The toads wouldn't allow that buildup in Kakashi's eye and Kakashi does not defeat the toads easily.

Nah its not unanimous, lol. A lot voted Kakashi on the poll, they're just not speaking up.

I see that now, the polls are really close now. I want to see more arguments from Kakashi fans though, they may change my mind

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Any Sannin > Kakashi

So not true, dude. It depends. Kakashi, like Minato and Itachi, is a shinobi that has the capability of turning the tides by formulating a strategy that could take out a stronger opponent.

Kakashi > base Jiraiya high diff IMO
That's a very nice number indeed *_*

Wow. You underestimate Kakashi. No toads or no SM renders Jiraiya very vulnerable to Kamui.

 

[Black Wolf]

I do agree that base Kakashi is stronger than base J-man but shouldn't summonings be capable of allowing J-man to get to SM?

Kakashi's Raikiri kunai was capable of cutting through multiple boulders, thus I see no reason why it wouldn't punch a hole straight through any summon it is hurled at. Raiden is also a feasible, albeit less efficient, option to deal with summons. Hell, a lesser version of Raikiri (Chidori Eiso) was chopping off the limbs of the second strongest Bijuu.

The toads wouldn't allow that buildup in Kakashi's eye and Kakashi does not defeat the toads easily.

I truly hope you're not suggesting that Gamabunta or any of the other giant toads now possess top tier sensing abilities and can simultaneously react to a nigh instantaneous technique. Not when the likes of Pain failed to detect Kamui.

 

[LordRaikage]

jiraya wins mid diff.

 

[Kαmi]

So not true, dude. It depends. Kakashi, like Minato and Itachi, is a shinobi that has the capability of turning the tides by formulating a strategy that could take out a stronger opponent.


Wow. You underestimate Kakashi. No toads or no SM renders Jiraiya very vulnerable to Kamui.

I think you're underrating J-man dude. He's still got oil, swamp world, hair jutsu, the frog stomach s/t technique, and can turn people into a toad. I'll change high diff to mid diff but I definitely don't think Jiraiya would get beat low diff since he's smart too.

Kakashi's Raikiri kunai was capable of cutting through multiple boulders, thus I see no reason why it wouldn't punch a hole straight through any summon it is hurled at. Raiden is also a feasible, albeit less efficient, option to deal with summons. Hell, a lesser version of Raikiri (Chidori Eiso) was chopping off the limbs of the second strongest Bijuu.



I truly hope you're not suggesting that Gamabunta or any of the other giant toads now possess top tier sensing abilities and can simultaneously react to a nigh instantaneous technique. Not when the likes of Pain failed to detect Kamui.

I'm not saying that, I'm saying that the toads aren't just gonna let themselves get hit. They'll make it difficult for Kakashi and that's what will give Jman an opening for SM. And I wasn't implying sensing, I was implying that the toads wouldn't just let Kakashi sit there and gather chakra to attack Jiraiya with. I give them more credit than that.

 

[Bronze]

kakashi wraps jiraiya's head with kamui in instant.

 

[Penguin]

J-Man is better overall, but Kakashi uses Kamui and wins.

 

[Black Wolf]

I'm not saying that, I'm saying that the toads aren't just gonna let themselves get hit. They'll make it difficult for Kakashi and that's what will give Jman an opening for SM.

Between Raiden and Raikiri enhanced projectiles, I am fully confident that Kakashi has the speed, precision, and overall battle skill necessary to nail them with a lethal Raiton and kill them.

And I wasn't implying sensing, I was implying that the toads wouldn't just let Kakashi sit there and gather chakra to attack Jiraiya with. I give them more credit than that.

Kakashi has shown the ability to use Kamui while

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. Kakashi does not need to charge up Kamui unless he is targeting massive objects, like Gedo Mazo's head - Jiraiya's body does not begin to compare in size. He also needs to charge it up if he is exhausted and has used up a lot of chakra. His Kamui against Sasuke's Susano'o arrow is an excellent example of the near absence of "charge time" required for the technique.

 

[Apocalypse Ninja]

I gotta go with Jiraiya on this one, Besides, he'd just whip out a copy of make-out Tactics and say it was a special edition and toss it on the ground, while Kakashi's distracted, Jiraiya takes the Win ....Or Kakashi Uses Kamui on Jiraiya and then picks up the book.....only to be disappointed that it's not a special edition of Make-out tactics, so in a way, Kakashi still loses. We all know how much Kakashi loves those books.

 

[EZQ]

Current kakashi can do about 5 kamuis, wich are near instant... Kakashi currently is stronger than Jiraiya wether some people want to admit it or not...

If jiraiya starts in SM he wins JUST IF HE STARTS in sm