I'm a believer. KCM Minato is a lot stronger than I thought
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naruttebayo
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how do you know minato has no counter for genjutsu ??
is it stated anywhere in the manga that "minato has no counter for genjutsu" . ?
also why do think that minato will fall for genjutsu but not hashirama ?
Avinash012
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Yes , isn't it obviously mean that an EDO wil get weak after usng high level attacks...?
FTG marking solo's Itachi and Minato's speed Solo's Itachi.................
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General Lex
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You only gave a partial example when attempting to support your claim that Minato doesn't have great stamina. You failed to mention that prior to all the fighting, he was tasked with keeping the Ninetails suppressed throughout the birth. It had to have taken some toll on his stamina considering births can take 12+ hours.
Everyone is vulnerable to some form of genjutsu and Itachi is the best genjutsu user...
Hashirama is vulnerable to genjutsu but alive itachi would lose more than likely due to Mokuton clone replacements. Madara was the only one able to see the real hashi.
all hypothetical... Also the point of that was stating Hashirama had more stamina than minato and Itachi combined
naruttebayo
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Yeah it can but Hashi clones are on a whole different scale. If minato used clones i'm sure it will cover him not being able to get attacked by genjutsu but let's face it. Itachi uses clones aswell and genjutsu crow clones at that... Sooner or later Minato would be caught in genjutsu. Besides Minato can only make 1 clone. Hashirama can make much more mokuton ones
naruttebayo
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how do you know minato can make only one clone is there a statement somewhere like that ?
and what makes you think minato would get caught in genjutsu first than itachi getting taged by ftg marking ?
also is this a manga fact or just your hypothesis ?????
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Itachi has been praised for his genjutsu soooo many times in the series even from people of other villages
Ao
Danzo
Obito
Sasuke
Cee
Kakashi
Granny Chiyo
Orochimaru
Deidara
Kisame
It seems like your trying to base Minato powers off of stuff that's not in the manga. If your asking me questions like that...
Secondly Itachi has the sharingan which = a greater insight and Itachi eyes can read you intentions meaning he knows what you will do before you do it. (Manga fact) clearly meaning he will get the upper hand on minato in a clone fight and cast genjutsu. Also Finger genjutsu solos
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General Lex
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Yeah I understand that much but you aren't doing either hashirama or minato justice by with holding small details like that. Also how you phrased the statement gives off the impression that his stamina is not that great, which is a claim that should argued for or against.
naruttebayo
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okay but that doesn't answer my questions
plz read the questions again
how do you know minato can make only one clone is there a statement somewhere like that ?
and what makes you think minato would get caught in genjutsu first than itachi getting taged by ftg marking ?
also is this a manga statement or just your hypotesis ?????
Kurama2012
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why do you think the finger genjutsu is so damn powerful and if it is why didnt he use against sasuke?
Fair enough but honestly Itachi wasn't dealt justice either since he could have just 1 shot Sasuke with KA instead of giving it to Naruto I do understand I left out some details though. Apologies
Sharingan is why...
@naruttebayo I edited the post you quoted.
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Minato>Itachi. I love Itachi, but i still think Minato is stronger/better. Minato is faster than Amaterasu, is not stupid enough to look into an uchihas eyes= Tsukoyomi, and will dodge Susanoo, until he can't hold it up anymore. Minato wins...
Kurama2012
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but why is this one genjutsu so powerful it actually sounds like you put this genjutsu on tsukiyomi's level
He still has Izanami, Finger genjutsu, and that's a huge assumption that he wont look him in the eye considering EVERY PERSON Itachi has fought looked him in the eye. Also since we going off assumptions whats stopping Itachi from destroying FTG marks with Totsuka blade?Minato>Itachi. I love Itachi, but i still think Minato is stronger/better. Minato is faster than Amaterasu, is not stupid enough to look into an uchihas eyes= Tsukoyomi, and will dodge Susanoo, until he can't hold it up anymore. Minato wins...
Finger genjutsu is genjutsu that doesn't require eye contact and if it is strong enough to control Naruto it's strong enough to control Minato. Takes a higher tier Genjutsu to cast on a Sharingan User which is why finger genjutsu wouldn't work.
Also use your head minato fans.. If Itachi can put Kakashi, Sasuke, Orochimaru, and Kabuto under genjutsu. Minato has no special abilities to counter it so he is done for.
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Avinash012
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K if u go by that logic....
Jiraya
Sarutobi
Tsunade
Kakashi
Kyubi
Tobirama
Anko
Iruka
Ay
Bee
Yamato
Obito
Itachi
All these people praised him and no need to mention that all of these charecters are Kage level exept one or two characters and some of knws almost everything abt Itachi and MInato...
General Lex
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It's all good and I think your right on that. Itachi's weakness was simply being older brother who wanted to see his younger brother develop rather than intervening when he should have.
Kurama2012
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so your putting minato and naruto on the same level of countering genjutsu
you cant use other characters as evidence that minato will have the same result
@bold haha Im putting top tier characters that have fallen for Itachi genjutsu... Bee a perfect jin was caught in his genjutsu.. So your telling me minato genjutsu defense is stronger than Bee, Orochimaru, and Kakashi?