Do you believe in Karma

[Rei]

I'm not repeating an opinion I'm reiliterating it actually explaining it in another context to understand.Karma is a spiritual state in which you physically come back as another person/being am I right?So it's not just something inside of you? So yes this is what I mean by facts,there is no proof that you physically come back no?Mistakes are there to be rectified and learnt from. And the last sentence well thats your opinion,again an opinion.

No Karma "isn't a spiritual state in which you physically come back as another person. "
You should research it a bit if you really wanna talk about it, cause what you said makes no sense. And even more it doesn't make sense that thing:
"come back as another person/being" which shows that you really have no idea what you are talking about yet you are so eager to deny it when you don't even know what it is.

 

[-Anna-]

You seem to like putting quotes from other people but not making a statement of your own half the time. I can say ''every action has a reaction'', this doesn't mean it becomes a religion/belief and that its set in stone and definite to happen is it?Just because I say it?Its an opinion,thats what karma is someones opinion not proof,not definite to happen. Thats what chavez is saying its an eccentric belief based on someones opinion on life,not prooven with facts and never can be. You are argueing an opinion that someone made about life & the after life.

I just give her the simple example easily understand!Just as every object is accompanied by a shadow, even so every volitional activity is inevitably accompanied by its due effect.
Karma is a law in itself, which operates in its own field without the intervention of any external, independent ruling agency. I simply unconcerned by society's disapproval of their habits or beliefs and most often display extreme individualism.

 

[Devlin]

No Karma "isn't a spiritual state in which you physically come back as another person. "
You should research it a bit if you really wanna talk about it, cause what you said makes no sense. And even more it doesn't make sense that thing:
"come back as another person/being" which shows that you really have no idea what you are talking about yet you are so eager to deny it when you don't even know what it is.

Please don't try and make me seem stupid rei, karma-the effects of a persons actions that determine his or her destiny in his/her next incarnation. Please define incarnation for me?So ummm yeh coming back as another person/being makes no sense now right? ...sorry then again I don't know what i'm talking about

 

[Devlin]

I just give her the simple example easily understand!Just as every object is accompanied by a shadow, even so every volitional activity is inevitably accompanied by its due effect.
Karma is a law in itself, which operates in its own field without the intervention of any external, independent ruling agency. I simply unconcerned by society's disapproval of their habits or beliefs and most often display extreme individualism.

So if you break this 'law' can you proove that you will have a bad life in your next incarnation?(even if there is one?)

 

[-Anna-]

You have no solid evidence, what gives the word its definition?For something to have a definition it must have some solidarity no?If so there would be no such word as karma and the word would mean nothing?But the fact you cannot bring a good arguement to proove this, it just makes any statement made from there forth fall apart. Its not just an opinion from what you are saying? If i'm correct it is a belief/religion (as you put it), idolizing a word which has no definitive proof to its being? Believing in something that is not definite, not set in stone and no actual proof that it happens.It is an opinion that if you haven't learnt lifes lessons you have a bad next life etc...etc.. but I refer back to my statement earlier about the afterlife. And I would like to see you present an arguement to dis proove it, the fact is people are more likely to believe it as they can relate to it rather than something that could/could not happen. It is something to scare you into being a good person...it hasn't been prooven that you come back as another person.

The Buddhist doctrine of Karma does not expound such ridiculous fatalistic views. Nor does it vindicate a postmortem justice. The All-Merciful Buddha, who had no ulterior selfish motives, did not teach this law of Karma to protect the rich and comfort the poor by promising illusory happiness in an after-life.While we are born to a state created by ourselves, yet by our own self-directed efforts there is every possibility for us to create new, favourable environments even here and now. Not only individually, but also, collectively, we are at liberty to create fresh Karma that leads either towards our progress or downfall in this very life.

 

[-Anna-]

So if you break this 'law' can you proove that you will have a bad life in your next incarnation?(even if there is one?)

You criticizing too much of what I believe, Its a bad karma for you (no offense).

 

[Devlin]

The Buddhist doctrine of Karma does not expound such ridiculous fatalistic views. Nor does it vindicate a postmortem justice. The All-Merciful Buddha, who had no ulterior selfish motives, did not teach this law of Karma to protect the rich and comfort the poor by promising illusory happiness in an after-life.While we are born to a state created by ourselves, yet by our own self-directed efforts there is every possibility for us to create new, favourable environments even here and now. Not only individually, but also, collectively, we are at liberty to create fresh Karma that leads either towards our progress or downfall in this very life.

I refer you back to the statement I made about, as humans we have the survival instinct and we give ourselves false hope to keep going. The statement perfectly explains what you have just stated about the all merciful buddha. You say he has no alternative motives (you know this as a fact then?) and by this are you stating that every other belief does have alternative motives?

 

[Devlin]

You criticizing too much of what I believe, Its a bad karma for you (no offense).

I don't believe in karma and it's not criticism it is questioning it, freedom of speech. In saying this you're in turn saying that we shouldn't be allowed freedom of speech.

 

[-Anna-]

I refer you back to the statement I made about, as humans we have the survival instinct and we give ourselves false hope to keep going. The statement perfectly explains what you have just stated about the all merciful buddha. You say he has no alternative motives (you know this as a fact then?) and by this are you stating that every other belief does have alternative motives?

I think your not seing life outside, Ok we human have a survival instinct and we do anything just to survive...But Karma is not a false hope, this just guide you to do what is right. I never say that other religions has alternative motives.

Karma is neither fate, nor predestination imposed upon us by some mysterious unknown power to which we must helplessly submit ourselves. It is one?s own doing reacting on oneself, and so one has the possibility to divert the course of one?s Karma to some extent. How far one diverts it depends on oneself.

 

[Raiden]

I think your not seing life outside, Ok we human have a survival instinct and we do anything just to survive...But Karma is not a false hope, this just guide you to do what is right. I never say that other religions has alternative motives.

Karma is neither fate, nor predestination imposed upon us by some mysterious unknown power to which we must helplessly submit ourselves. It is one?s own doing reacting on oneself, and so one has the possibility to divert the course of one?s Karma to some extent. How far one diverts it depends on oneself.

Prove it isn't false hope then...you can't can you
In my opinion, karma along with all religion is total bs, for the naive.

 

[Rei]

Please don't try and make me seem stupid rei, karma-the effects of a persons actions that determine his or her destiny in his/her next incarnation. Please define incarnation for me?So ummm yeh coming back as another person/being makes no sense now right? ...sorry then again I don't know what i'm talking about

I am not trying such a thing, if you feel i am i apologize.
And as i stated in many other earlier posts karma is not a punishment for your after life if you've been bad in this one. I clearly explained how it merges with the concept of dharma.
Yeah, not only it makes no sense it is also ridiculous, if you want to know what re incarnation is then you can just research yourself as i did when the time was right.I am not here to answer your questions since i don't even see them as questions. Your last post made me laugh to be honest, as it shows that you have no idea what you are denying. And that's really bad for yourself above all.
And when you get the info you need I'll be here for a nice discussion. But so far, you again don't even know what you are talking about.

 

[Devlin]

I am not trying such a thing, if you feel i am i apologize.
And as i stated in many other earlier posts karma is not a punishment for your after life if you've been bad in this one. I clearly explained how it merges with the concept of dharma.
Yeah, not only it makes no sense it is also ridiculous, if you want to know what re incarnation is then you can just research yourself as i did when the time was right.I am not here to answer your questions since i don't even see them as questions. Your last post made me laugh to be honest, as it shows that you have no idea what you are denying. And that's really bad for yourself above all.
And when you get the info you need I'll be here for a nice discussion. But so far, you again don't even know what you are talking about.

To summarise for you as you still think I don't know what i'm talking about-re-incarnation (that to which karma refers to) -is a false hope referring to the earlier debate to which we were having.So,once you feel like coming out of the state of denial (and constantly saying i'm in one? :S ) yes we may carry on the debate, as you choose like you keep saying to not have an arguement about the subject.

 

[Rei]

To summarise for you as you still think I don't know what i'm talking about-re-incarnation (that to which karma refers to) -is a false hope referring to the earlier debate to which we were having.So,once you feel like coming out of the state of denial (and constantly saying i'm in one? :S ) yes we may carry on the debate, as you choose like you keep saying to not have an arguement about the subject.

1. Karma and re incarnation are 2 different things that merge under specific conditions. It is possible for a person to believe in karma but not re-incarnation and the opposite. Karma has to do with the way you chose to live your life, not under the fear of you being punished in a re incarnation, but to walk on a spiritual path that leads to absolute freedom of fear.

2. Re incarnation is the belief that when one dies, one's body decomposes, but something of oneself is reborn in another body. That something is commonly defined as "soul" but spirit is the definition i prefer as explained by senseis Osho and D. Juan. That means -what a surprise!- that it's still you/ a part of you coming back to life cause you were unable to learn the lessons you had to learn in a previous incarnation and you weren't able to fulfill your dharma as you should have.

3. I am in the state of awareness and not denial and i will remain on that state since this is my dharma. Denial means nothing to me. If you want to deny something, deny it. If that's what you feel, then follow your feeling. But follow it, not embarrass yourself.

4. I really can't see this as a debate I am sorry. I could see it as such when Chavez was the one replying, cause he, as a bright exception, knows how to debate and he is not pretending that he knows things he doesn't. He says "I believe that, i don't believe in your opinion until you provide me solid arguments". That is a proper and descent opinion and can lead to a nice discussion-debate. But what you do here, isn't a discussion. You are just trying to prove me wrong by asking me to explain to you why i am wrong, kind of amusing i have to admit, still not good for me to keep this going.
so let's stop monopolizing this conversation, since you and I, can clearly not even discuss about it.

 

[Kawagiri]

yeah... i did some bad things in life... and then i bought a lottery ticket and won... but got hit by a car as punishment. so i wrote a list of all the things i did wrong... and i'm trying to put all the things on that list right...

hi my name is earl XD

 

[Rei]

yeah... i did some bad things in life... and then i bought a lottery ticket and won... but got hit by a car as punishment. so i wrote a list of all the things i did wrong... and i'm trying to put all the things on that list right...

hi my name is earl XD

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[Kawagiri]

1. Karma and re incarnation are 2 different things that merge under specific conditions. It is possible for a person to believe in karma but not re-incarnation and the opposite. Karma has to do with the way you chose to live your life, not under the fear of you being punished in a re incarnation, but to walk on a spiritual path that leads to absolute freedom of fear.

2. Re incarnation is the belief that when one dies, one's body decomposes, but something of oneself is reborn in another body. That something is commonly defined as "soul" but spirit is the definition i prefer as explained by senseis Osho and D. Juan. That means -what a surprise!- that it's still you/ a part of you coming back to life cause you were unable to learn the lessons you had to learn in a previous incarnation and you weren't able to fulfill your dharma as you should have.

3. I am in the state of awareness and not denial and i will remain on that state since this is my dharma. Denial means nothing to me. If you want to deny something, deny it. If that's what you feel, then follow your feeling. But follow it, not embarrass yourself.

4. I really can't see this as a debate I am sorry. I could see it as such when Chavez was the one replying, cause he, as a bright exception, knows how to debate and he is not pretending that he knows things he doesn't. He says "I believe that, i don't believe in your opinion until you provide me solid arguments". That is a proper and descent opinion and can lead to a nice discussion-debate. But what you do here, isn't a discussion. You are just trying to prove me wrong by asking me to explain to you why i am wrong, kind of amusing i have to admit, still not good for me to keep this going.
so let's stop monopolizing this conversation, since you and I, can clearly not even discuss about it.

i'm not quite sure on this one... but in relation to number 1 i think buddhists are one of the religions that believe in both karma and reincarnation together... if i remember rightly... i vaguely remember seeing a wheel and there was i think 8 different phases on it or something... this could be totally wrong, but depending on how you lived your life depended on what you came back as. and you could even come back again as another person... i'm not too sure on this though as it was like 5/6 years ago '^_^

 

[Lawliet]

i'm not quite sure on this one... but in relation to number 1 i think buddhists are one of the religions that believe in both karma and reincarnation together... if i remember rightly... i vaguely remember seeing a wheel and there was i think 8 different phases on it or something... this could be totally wrong, but depending on how you lived your life depended on what you came back as. and you could even come back again as another person... i'm not too sure on this though as it was like 5/6 years ago '^_^

They were 8 phases taken to achieve inner peace, it's called Nirvana.
It's part of Buddhism as well as Hinduism.

 

[Kawagiri]

They were 8 phases taken to achieve inner peace, it's called Nirvana.
It's part of Buddhism as well as Hinduism.

i'm thinking of something else i think... 1 minute i'll try to find it...

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i can remember seeing this picture in school or something like it and i was told some of the pictures in the wheel represent different phases of reincarnation... sorry it's not clear

 

[Rei]

i'm thinking of something else i think... 1 minute i'll try to find it...

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i can remember seeing this picture in school or something like it and i was told some of the pictures in the wheel represent different phases of reincarnation... sorry it's not clear

This is a copy of the painting called "Shaka's eight-phase nirvana", depicting the eight major events in his life, with his death in the center and with the remaining seven events on the periphery. These events are:

1. Decent from heaven and conception in mother's womb: geten takutai
2. Birth: tanjyo
3. Training martial art: kyoushi bugei
4. Excursions out of the four gates: shimon shutsuyu
5. Leaving the family: shukke
6. Asceticism: sanchuu kugyou
7. Defeating the devil and enlightenment: gouma joudou
8. First turning the wheel of the Law: sho temporin

I have seen this painting and i have studied some things, although i do not agree with them and I believe that Nirvana is a negative term rather than positive.

Again I'd like to pinpoint that I believe in karma but not in any religion.

 

[Kawagiri]

This is a copy of the painting called "Shaka's eight-phase nirvana", depicting the eight major events in his life, with his death in the center and with the remaining seven events on the periphery. These events are:

1. Decent from heaven and conception in mother's womb: geten takutai
2. Birth: tanjyo
3. Training martial art: kyoushi bugei
4. Excursions out of the four gates: shimon shutsuyu
5. Leaving the family: shukke
6. Asceticism: sanchuu kugyou
7. Defeating the devil and enlightenment: gouma joudou
8. First turning the wheel of the Law: sho temporin

I have seen this painting and i have studied some things, although i do not agree with them and I believe that Nirvana is a negative term rather than positive.

Again I'd like to pinpoint that I believe in karma but not in any religion.

i can't make out the pictures cos they're kinda hard to see so i assumed it was the right thing... i just remember getting taught about something to do with reincarnation and a seperated picture at school... not done about it in like 5 or 6 years as stated before '^_^

you guys probably know alot more about this than me though...

personally i don't believe in karma as such...
i believe in a sort of destiny... not like mapped out by a supernatural force... but our own decisions... we can't change what's going to happen... because if we try... then that attempt to change the future was going to happen anyway...

i live my life the simple way thinking if i do something... i was always going to do it... and if something happens... that's always what was going to happen ^^