Minato beats Itachi?

[Mellanoma]

Ok let's be serious a minute U_U

Genjutsu

It was stated during the kage summit that Sharingan can't follow the speed of the likes of Raikage(compared to Minato) enough to actually catch the person in the genjutsu. Not only that, but Minato being a sensor, can sense the chakra coming from Itachi's eye like Obito did in order to prevent against a Sharingan attack. Furthermore, Minato can also use clone, all he has to do is to create one during the battle. Itachi can see handsigns with his Sharingan, but Sharingan can't distinguish clone with the original.

Genjutsu doesn't work on clone, so Itachi would have to make sure to be sure if the one he is facing is the clone or the original to try genjutsu. Sharingan can't follow teleportation speed, so Minato can likely use a clone during one of his teleportation during the fight and hide the original somewhere else at the same time. In this case, Itachi won't even know when Minato subtituated himself with a clone, fighting a clone with no hope of puting him in a genjutsu. He can even be fooled if the clone feint Itachi into believing he was caught by one so that he could blitz him when Itachi would try to take advantage of this to finish him(if he tries to cover the distance). But even if Minato doesn't use this strategy, but on the contrary uses a clone before Itachi's sight, as stated, Itachi couldn't identity the clone with the original, and judging by Itachi's intelligence, i think he won't try a clone before knowing who is the original and who is the fake. Not only that but even if he want to play gamble and miraculously manage to catch the original(on the contrary of the clone) in his genjutsu, the clone being capable to perform Hiraishin themselves could easily teleport to the original in an instant to disturb the chakra flow.

The clone may not even do it directly and wait until Itachi would close the distance in order to attack the original(while in genjutsu) and appear instantly to finish him(Itachi being close to the markings on the original's pocket).

But if Itachi fails and only put the clone in the genjutsu, it won't work like i've stated before. But if Minato wants, he could feint Itachi into believing it was fooled by the genjutsu only to take advantage of this if Itachi were trying to kill the clone(not knowing it's one) while closing the distance to destroy him

Susanoo

Itachi uses Susanoo and? He has no way to hit Minato and it's not as if Susanoo is a technique he can hold for long, so sooner or later, he will die. Not only that, with the swaping ability of FTG technique demonstrated in latest chapter, he can take away Susanoo to leave him open for a next attack.

Tobirama for example managed to teleport Obito during this chapter

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. The same thing can be done between a Susanoo and his user since the chakra based Susanoo

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to the user. With the use of clones then, Minato has the means to bypass the defense and all that without taking risks at all

Minato low-mid diff U_U

Raikage is faster in terms of consistent speed. Minato teleports. BIG Difference!

Sharingan can track the position of FTG Kunai where as with raikage he can consistently move without the need of kunai or markings

It is not proven FTG can teleport susanoo... If it could then Yata would simply negate it

Minato has no means of defeating Itachi yet Itachi has an arsenal of jutsu to beat him

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Minato teleporting susanoo is pure speculation...

Nope, it really isn't.

Sharingan can distinguish clones EXCEPT for mokuton clones

lol no.

Re-read the manga.

Only time Itachi was tricked was when he had 30% of his power and kakashi tricked him.

And power is linked to intelligence... how, exactly?

Does not matter if he has unlimited amount of kunai

So Itachi uses Susanoo and Amaterasu ( which kill him ) to destroy kunais Minato can replace over and over again?

Good strategy.

 

[Crossroads]

Raikage is faster in terms of consistent speed. Minato teleports. BIG Difference!

Sharingan can track the position of FTG Kunai where as with raikage he can consistently move without the need of kunai or markings

It is not proven FTG can teleport susanoo... If it could then Yata would simply negate it

Minato has no means of defeating Itachi yet Itachi has an arsenal of jutsu to beat him

Yata Mirror isn't that big, Minato warps Susano'o from behind. Itachi doesn't even know what happens. GG

 

[Sygris]

Raikage is faster in terms of consistent speed. Minato teleports. BIG Difference!

Sharingan can track the position of FTG Kunai where as with raikage he can consistently move without the need of kunai or markings

It is not proven FTG can teleport susanoo... If it could then Yata would simply negate it

Minato has no means of defeating Itachi yet Itachi has an arsenal of jutsu to beat him

yes it is, here:

If you look at sasuke's susanoo you would note that, in the upper image it has a flare of susanoo

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At the bottom page, the whole of susanoo left along with the user, apart from the little flare outside of susanoo

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He teleported susanoo and the user

yata negating ftg? lol, making up shit like a true fanboy.

 

[Mellanoma]

Yata Mirror isn't that big, Minato warps Susano'o from behind. Itachi doesn't even know what happens. GG

Yata mirror has no specific shape or form.. It can be the size of whatever it needs to be to stop ANY attack

@sygris

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ALL attacks rather God,physical, astra, lose there meaning against Yata

Also in the next page over Sasuke did not appear with susanoo attached to him so it can go either way rather it be drawing f'k up or sasuke cancelled susanoo

 

[pateuvasiliu]

If it could then Yata would simply negate it

Fanfiction.

Yata repels attacks, FTG is not an attack.

 

[Crossroads]

Yata mirror has no specific shape or form.. It can be the size of whatever it needs to be to stop ANY attack

That's your assumption. Where in the Manga does it state that Yata Mirror can take any shape or form?

And FTG isn't an attack, how do you repel transportation?

 

[Mellanoma]

Nope, it really isn't.



lol no.

Re-read the manga.



And power is linked to intelligence... how, exactly?



So Itachi uses Susanoo and Amaterasu ( which kill him ) to destroy kunais Minato can replace over and over again?

Good strategy.

he was unable to use his MS... It's confirmed that MS gives higher ability of perception as noted with Madara vs Hashi as well as Sasuke not being able to keep up with Itachi during there shuriken battle

The point of the kunai destruction comment was to state that Key points where minato would most likely teleport to. Itachi would destroy those kunai or deflect them. Not destroy all kunai

It's hilarious sitting here debating you guys when you constantly asking questions about the manga.....

That's your assumption. Where in the Manga does it state that Yata Mirror can take any shape or form?

And FTG isn't an attack, how do you repel transportation?

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Since I have had to explain stuff to all of you guys I will no longer argue. It's now clear to me that you guys know nothing about the manga except for wanking lol

 

[TaBaYo]

Raikage is faster in terms of consistent speed. Minato teleports. BIG Difference!

Sharingan can track the position of FTG Kunai where as with raikage he can consistently move without the need of kunai or markings

It is not proven FTG can teleport susanoo... If it could then Yata would simply negate it

Minato has no means of defeating Itachi yet Itachi has an arsenal of jutsu to beat him

U fynk Yata is invincible, huh? Why didnt he use it wen edo Nagato threw da orb, so u fynk rationally he could stoped it with Yata mirror?

 

[Crossroads]

Okay so.

When Naruto Vs. Sasuke happens and Sasuke can't tell which Naruto is the real one when he makes a ton of clones I'm going to remember you and laugh.

 

[Strict]

I wonder why this argument only works when it's Minato and not Hashirama or Rikudo sennin, just asking

If Hashirama looks into Itachi's eyes, he is done as well. But he has more possibilities in fighting the Sharingan with large scaled techniques on long range and a bunch of Mokuton Bunshin (known for having similar durability to a human body) while Minato in canon can only use one Kagebunshin (Senju Tobirama on the other hand said his limit would be 2). Minato is fast, but this speed is not continuous but used in offensive or defensive meanings. There were enough periods where he was remaining stagnation, looking at his opponent, analyzing him and preparing techniques. In his fight with Tobi, it even came to a direct eye contact in close range when Minato performed Hiraishin lv. 2. Even though he could have knowledge of Uchiha (and surely does have) he may doesn't have knowledge on a Genjutsu that has the scale of Tsukuyomi, which is for now unique to Itachi. A lot have knowledge on Sharingan Genjutsu but still fall for them, because, as Sakura said, it is easier said than done to avoid eye contact as it is a matter of habit. It can't just be said one avoids eye contact as he knows the Uchiha and is skilled and therefore GG Genjutsu.

 

[Sygris]

Yata mirror has no specific shape or form.. It can be the size of whatever it needs to be to stop ANY attack

@sygris

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ALL attacks rather God,physical, astra, lose there meaning against Yata

Also in the next page over Sasuke did not appear with susanoo attached to him so it can go either way rather it be drawing f'k up or sasuke cancelled susanoo

way to overrate yata, lol.

minato teleported sasuke and his susanoo, but susanoo didn't withstand the teleportation and therefore didn't appear.
this confirms indirectly that susanoo gets destroyed by teleportation.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Since I have had to explain stuff to all of you guys I will no longer argue. It's now clear to me that you guys know nothing about the manga except for wanking lol

The only one who wanks is you.

You probably have blisters from all this Itachi fapping.

 

[Mellanoma]

way to overrate yata, lol.

minato teleported sasuke and his susanoo, but susanoo didn't withstand the teleportation and therefore didn't appear.
this confirms indirectly that susanoo gets destroyed by teleportation.

It's not my fault the Manga and Databook made Yata mirror the ultimate defense that nothing can beat. Take that up with Kishi. Also that second part of your post is pure speculation and is utterly a cheap way to defend the fact that Minato can't beat Itachi. I have proven again and again that ITachi would beat Minato yet you guys are too stubborn to realize otherwise.

 

[Bogard]

If Hashirama looks into Itachi's eyes, he is done as well. But he has more possibilities in fighting the Sharingan with large scaled techniques on long range and a bunch of Mokuton Bunshin (known for having similar durability to a human body) while Minato in canon can only use one Kagebunshin (Senju Tobirama on the other hand said his limit would be 2).

1- Minato's limit of clone was never given. Only Tobirama's and Hashirama's was. Minato said nothing. Just because he used one doesn't mean it was his limit. It's just that one was all what he needed to strike Obito down. He already had a marking on Obito, so he knew one KB was enough to get the job done. The original plan was to attack Obito and he knew he was the one who could reach Obito first. Second and Hashirama couldn't. That's why the back-up plan was to attack Madara the time he revives himself(the one they could reach faster), but they knew that to stop Madara, one clone would not have been enough. Reason why they had to use the max clone possible

2- The limit of Tobirama isn't 2 clone. The barrier takes a huge amount of chakra. It's for that reason that he was limited at 2 at that moment. In normal circumstances he can make much more. Notice that Hiruzen for example who could make multiple clones didn't even manage to use one while maintaining the barrier

3- In latest chapter, Tobirama even mentioned the fact they could have use clones, which prove once again they can make much more than one

Minato is fast, but this speed is not continuous but used in offensive or defensive meanings. There were enough periods where he was remaining stagnation, looking at his opponent, analyzing him and preparing techniques. In his fight with Tobi, it even came to a direct eye contact in close range when Minato performed Hiraishin lv. 2.

Kakashi's squad fought Obito during the entire time when Itachi and Sasuke were fighting without even noticing his sharingan at all. Only Kakashi noticed it at the end. So saying that Minato was looking at his sharingan the entire time is only speculation, like it's also arguable that Obito could have been able to use genjutsu when controlling Kurama already took a lot of his concentration(Minato even said he couldn't do it for long)

Furthermore, like i've said, Minato is a sensor. We have seen that sensors are capable to detect the location of chakra like Obito who managed to sense Sasuke was focusing chakra in his eye for Amaterasu. So a sensor is capable to prevent Sharingan eye techniques. Sensor are also capable to detect genjutsus, to notice if they are caught in one or not like Karin who was checking if either Sasuke or her were put in Danzo's genjutsu during their fight

Concerning the possible counters Minato could have with the use of clones i already gave them on one of my previous posts. Minato has the means to counter genjutsus

I can back up my statements that with scans if you want. Only that i'm lazy to check it now Zzz

 

[naruttebayo]

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Since I have had to explain stuff to all of you guys I will no longer argue. It's now clear to me that you guys know nothing about the manga except for wanking lol

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XD XD

no need for minato
he would get soloed by himself

 

[Fireplay]

Minato shits on Itachi.

 

[Sygris]

It's not my fault the Manga and Databook made Yata mirror the ultimate defense that nothing can beat. Take that up with Kishi. Also that second part of your post is pure speculation and is utterly a cheap way to defend the fact that Minato can't beat Itachi. I have proven again and again that ITachi would beat Minato yet you guys are too stubborn to realize otherwise.

how is it speculation, when i'm the one posting manga pictures which confirm everything i said?

you have been uttering BS with every post you made in this thread.

 

[Mellanoma]

1- Minato's limit of clone was never given. Only Tobirama's and Hashirama's was. Minato said nothing. Just because he used one doesn't mean it was his limit. It's just that one was all what he needed to strike Obito down. He already had a marking on Obito, so he knew one KB was enough to get the job done. The original plan was to attack Obito and he knew he was the one who could reach Obito first. Second and Hashirama couldn't. That's why the back-up plan was to attack Madara the time he revives himself(the one they could reach faster), but they knew that to stop Madara, one clone would not have been enough. Reason why they had to use the max clone possible

2- The limit of Tobirama isn't 2 clone. The barrier takes a huge amount of chakra. It's for that reason that he was limited at 2 at that moment. In normal circumstances he can make much more. Notice that Hiruzen for example who could make multiple clones didn't even manage to use one while maintaining the barrier

3- In latest chapter, Tobirama even mentioned the fact they could have use clones, which prove once again they can make much more than one


Kakashi's squad fought Obito during the entire time when Itachi and Sasuke were fighting without even noticing his sharingan at all. Only Kakashi noticed it at the end. So saying that Minato was looking at his sharingan the entire time is only speculation, like it's also arguable that Obito could have been able to use genjutsu when controlling Kurama already took a lot of his concentration(Minato even said he couldn't do it for long)

Furthermore, like i've said, Minato is a sensor. We have seen that sensors are capable to detect the location of chakra like Obito who managed to sense Sasuke was focusing chakra in his eye for Amaterasu. So a sensor is capable to prevent Sharingan eye techniques. Sensor are also capable to detect genjutsus, to notice if they are caught in one or not like Karin who was checking if either Sasuke or her were put in Danzo's genjutsu during their fight

Concerning the possible counters Minato could have with the use of clones i already gave them on one of my previous posts. Minato has the means to counter genjutsus

I can back up my statements that with scans if you want. Only that i'm lazy to check it now Zzz

@bold - Totally invalid since they Edo and edo have unlimited amount of chakra up to there Chakra Capacity. Meaning Tobirama could only produce 2 max and minato can only produce 1. Ive always speculated that Minato stamina wasn't that great but that's another topic..

@bold - If you notice during there fight Karin(The best sensor in the series) had to concentrate to see if she or any one else was under a genjutsu. In an actual fight Minato will not be able to do this(Especially against itachi). Tsukyomi is dang near instant where as amaterasu requires prep time.

how is it speculation, when i'm the one posting manga pictures which confirm everything i said?

you have been uttering BS with every post you made in this thread.

 

[sdam]

Tired of people saying Minato beats Itachi

Until minato has a solution to the following I believe Itachi stomps him

What will Minato do against:

Tsukyomi
Finger Genjutsu
Sharingan Genjutsu
Crow Clone Genjutsu
Izanami
Totsuka Sword
Yata Mirror
Susanoo
Databook and Manga proven Invicibility



I'll wait...

Izanami huh, if i remember right than Itachi was killed twice by Kabuto when he tried to make the loop, had it not been for Edo Tensei than he would be dead. If he was to do it on Minato than he could not die right. Minato is too fast, he would kill Itachi before he could react. The finger genjutsu is weak, and can easily be released. Crow genjutsu, well maybe but Minato would not just let some crows come at him when he knows it's the enemys jutsu, he would get away and attack Itachi. Plus The crow genjutsu is a jutsu that you start out with, so if just Minato made the first attack as he usually does than Itachi would be forced to defend himself, and we know that when first Minato has thrown the first kunai, than his opponent is pretty much dead. Sharingan genjutsu and Tsukyomi, well Minato is wise enough to not look into an uchihas eyes. Susanoo, Minato will not be hit by it, and at some point Itachi's eyes will hurt and Susanoo will stop.