Someone OP who who'll never get to see.

[Guardian of the Rain]

A healthy Itachi with killing intent, who has blood-lust and doesn't at all hold back. An Itachi that wants his opponent dead ASAP. This Itachi would be on EMS Madara's level. Too bad we never have or never will see him like that. Every fight he'd been in, he was holding back.
Why did he have to go, Kishiiiiiiiiiiiii?!

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

A healthy Itachi like the one Edo Tensei'd has never existed.

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

A healthy Itachi like the one Edo Tensei'd has never existed.

He wasn't sick when he obliterated the Uchiha clan.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

He didn't posses the superior physical speed/strength/ability at the time either. Plus he murdered them whilst they slept.

Also, you don't even know that. His terrible Chakra may just be natural, to a degree.

 

[Prince Charles]

Kishi gave itachi that plot sickness to downgrade him because he was too powerful.

 

[Stark]

Hiruzen no doubt

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Hiruzen no doubt

Lol that old fart isn't OP. In his prime, maybe.

Kishi gave itachi that plot sickness to downgrade him because he was too powerful.

Agreed. That way, MS Obito actually posed a threat to him.

He didn't posses the superior physical speed/strength/ability at the time either. Plus he murdered them whilst they slept.

Also, you don't even know that. His terrible Chakra may just be natural, to a degree.

He's an Uchiha. He natural chakra was considerable. Sasuke has a lot of chakra, so of course he did, too. Hashirama only has a lot more chakra than his brother because of Mokuton.

 

[Trilla]

he's an uchiha, all uchiha are born with more chakra than the average person

 

[Takos]

A healthy Itachi with killing intent, who has blood-lust and doesn't at all hold back. An Itachi that wants his opponent dead ASAP. This Itachi would be on EMS Madara's level. Too bad we never have or never will see him like that. Every fight he'd been in, he was holding back.
Why did he have to go, Kishiiiiiiiiiiiii?!

Sorry, what? Wanna tell me Itachi was holding back against Nagato? That Itachi was better than a healthy one, since he was immortal and had unlimited chakra. Still he would be obliterated if it wasn't for Naruto and Bee.

Agreed. That way, MS Obito actually posed a threat to him.

More than a threat. Itachi has nothing that could even touch Obito. The only slim chance is Tsukyomi, but if a non-MS Uchiha mediocre with genjutsu managed to break it, you think an MS genjutsu expert Uchiha would not manage?

 

[ElementNami92]

Agreed. He would've been amazing. :|

 

[SabakuNoGaaraOVZ]

Sorry, what? Wanna tell me Itachi was holding back against Nagato? That Itachi was better than a healthy one, since he was immortal and had unlimited chakra. Still he would be obliterated if it wasn't for Naruto and Bee.



More than a threat. Itachi has nothing that could even touch Obito. The only slim chance is Tsukyomi, but if a non-MS Uchiha mediocre with genjutsu managed to break it, you think an MS genjutsu expert Uchiha would not manage?

Itachi let sasuke win, thats how Sasuke broke it.

 

[Haru70]

Itachi let sasuke win, thats how Sasuke broke it.

Bullshit. Sasuke broke the Tsukuyomi on his own, with some assistance from the curse mark.

 

[SabakuNoGaaraOVZ]

Bullshit. Sasuke broke the Tsukuyomi on his own, with some assistance from the curse mark.

he did, but itachi was going easy on him. he didnt get the same treatment as kakashi. andbase sasuke =< kakashi
even if sasuke is stronger/better at genjutsu than kakashi, then kakashi couldve at least resisted itachi's tsukuyomi for a little bit but he didnt, he got hospitalized in 1 second.

 

[Haru70]

he did, but itachi was going easy on him. he didnt get the same treatment as kakashi. andbase sasuke =< kakashi
even if sasuke is stronger/better at genjutsu than kakashi, then kakashi couldve at least resisted itachi's tsukuyomi for a little bit but he didnt, he got hospitalized in 1 second.

Wait... first off, base Sasuke > base Kakashi. Kakashi couldn't break it because he isn't an Uchiha.

I'm not even entirely sure what you're trying to get at though.

Itachi was not going easy throughout that entire fight. Tsukuyomi is Tsukuyomi, we can't tell if the level used it different or not. Although Itachi had different intents for the two different situations, which is why Kakashi got the Tsukuyomi right off the bat.

 

[SabakuNoGaaraOVZ]

Wait... first off, base Sasuke > base Kakashi. Kakashi couldn't break it because he isn't an Uchiha.

I'm not even entirely sure what you're trying to get at though.

Itachi was not going easy throughout that entire fight. Tsukuyomi is Tsukuyomi, we can't tell if the level used it different or not. Although Itachi had different intents for the two different situations, which is why Kakashi got the Tsukuyomi right off the bat.

base kakashi is def not weaker than sasuke, at least explain why you think that please
And you dont have to be uchiha, you just need a sharingan (unless you can find manga scans for that but im pretty sure you only needed the same eyes, kakashi said it in kakashi vs itachi). But then again, if you're saying Itachi was being serious through the entire fight, we can also just stop debating, I mean..it was obvious as f*ck he wasnt... getting hit by these shurikens, only drawing susano'o out to block kirin (whereas all his other fights, vs nagato/kabuto, he just pulled it out whenever he felt it was necessary). And the whole fighting style was just not comparable with his fight with nagato, where he ended it asap. Also, are you trying to say base sasuke>itachi?

 

[Haru70]

base kakashi is def not weaker than sasuke, at least explain why you think that please
And you dont have to be uchiha, you just need a sharingan (unless you can find manga scans for that but im pretty sure you only needed the same eyes, kakashi said it in kakashi vs itachi). But then again, if you're saying Itachi was being serious through the entire fight, we can also just stop debating, I mean..it was obvious as f*ck he wasnt... getting hit by these shurikens, only drawing susano'o out to block kirin (whereas all his other fights, vs nagato/kabuto, he just pulled it out whenever he felt it was necessary). And the whole fighting style was just not comparable with his fight with nagato, where he ended it asap. Also, are you trying to say base sasuke>itachi?

Yeah it was stated in the manga that only Uchiha are capable of breaking Tsukuyomi. I can't find the page at the moment.

Base Sasuke has much greater speed than Kakashi and he has Kirin, not to mention his taijutsu skills are probably superior too.

I'm not saying Itachi was being serious the whole time. I said he wasn't going easy the whole time. Sasuke broke his Tsukuyomi, his best genjutsu technique, forcing and leaving him with ninjutsu for the rest of the fight.

Itachi was forced to use Susano'o eventually, otherwise Kirin would have killed him.

And no, I'm not saying base Sasuke > Itachi. At that time, had Itachi not been sick, he would have won.

Edit: Here's one of the pages about Tsukuyomi and Uchiha.

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[SabakuNoGaaraOVZ]

Yeah it was stated in the manga that only Uchiha are capable of breaking Tsukuyomi. I can't find the page at the moment.

Base Sasuke has much greater speed than Kakashi and he has Kirin, not to mention his taijutsu skills are probably superior too.

I'm not saying Itachi was being serious the whole time. I said he wasn't going easy the whole time. Sasuke broke his Tsukuyomi, his best genjutsu technique, forcing and leaving him with ninjutsu for the rest of the fight.

Itachi was forced to use Susano'o eventually, otherwise Kirin would have killed him.

And no, I'm not saying base Sasuke > Itachi. At that time, had Itachi not been sick, he would have won.

hmm.. you do realize that you're arguments (except kirin) on why sasuke would be stronger than kakashi are pretty much based on nothing right? And its not like sasuke can use kirin whenever he wants, he needs to fire these fire dragons into the air first to warm up the clouds blabla, which just fitted the situation he was in with itachi. I dont see him using that move that often for that reason. Sasuke is very intelligent and very strong, but so is kakashi, and I think that Kakashi's more intelligent by just a little bit, due to more experience. Thats why I think theyre about even, or Kakashi is a little stronger (cus of intelligence).

As for Itachi's tsukuyomi in that fight, he only plucked out sasuke's eye. He didnt torture him whatsoever. He also didnt manipulate time,
I mean; vs sasuke: he plucks out his eye (once) and thats it.
vs kakashi: stabs him with multiple clones for 72 hours straight. There's clearly a difference between the two. Or do you really think its the same just because the manga said both were tsukuyomi? (that would mean that it took itachi 72 hours to pluck out one eye...)

 

[Haru70]

hmm.. you do realize that you're arguments (except kirin) on why sasuke would be stronger than kakashi are pretty much based on nothing right? And its not like sasuke can use kirin whenever he wants, he needs to fire these fire dragons into the air first to warm up the clouds blabla, which just fitted the situation he was in with itachi. I dont see him using that move that often for that reason. Sasuke is very intelligent and very strong, but so is kakashi, and I think that Kakashi's more intelligent by just a little bit, due to more experience. Thats why I think theyre about even, or Kakashi is a little stronger (cus of intelligence).

As for Itachi's tsukuyomi in that fight, he only plucked out sasuke's eye. He didnt torture him whatsoever. He also didnt manipulate time,
I mean; vs sasuke: he plucks out his eye (once) and thats it.
vs kakashi: stabs him with multiple clones for 72 hours straight. There's clearly a difference between the two. Or do you really think its the same just because the manga said both were tsukuyomi? (that would mean that it took itachi 72 hours to pluck out one eye...)

Sasuke's superior speed and taijutsu are based on feats. How are feats "nothing"? Yeah Kirin requires prep, but one time is enough. Kakashi has no way to dodge real lightning.

Tsukuyomi itself is a manipulation of time. No matter the duration. Yeah Kakashi got tortured more, so? The fact and point is, he can't break Tsukuyomi, no matter the caliber of torture. It is that simple.

 

[SabakuNoGaaraOVZ]

Sasuke's superior speed and taijutsu are based on feats. How are feats "nothing"? Yeah Kirin requires prep, but one time is enough. Kakashi has no way to dodge real lightning.

Tsukuyomi itself is a manipulation of time. No matter the duration. Yeah Kakashi got tortured more, so? The fact and point is, he can't break Tsukuyomi, no matter the caliber of torture. It is that simple.

Why exactly do you think sasuke is faster and has better taijutsu than kakashi? On what do you base this? Where does it say he is? Is sasuke known for being fast? (maybe like minato/raikage) or for having good taijutsu? (like guy/lee)

And for kirin, sasuke needs to lure kakashi to a higher place then sasuke himself is, which would probably only be possible in a building. The reason that actually worked on itachi was because itachi was mostly dodging instead of attacking. But of course, I do agree that once he actually succeeds in performing kirin, Kakashi will definetly lose.

Tsukuyomi; you cant really say its a fact that kakashi cant break it because hes not an uchiha. But you know what, lets say he cant and its a fact. If itachi were to pull out kakashi's eye, and the genjutsu is over, he wouldnt have gotten hospitalized or damaged that much because million stabs hurt more. You cant deny that, it wouldn be logical to deny that.

And tsukuyomi is only a manipulation of time, if the illusion feels like it took longer than it actually did <<-- this is what a manipulation of time is. If an event in an illusion feels as if it took just as long in reality, then how is time being manipulated? Or is time just being manipulated because the manga says this illusion is categorized as 'tsukuyomi'?

 

[Mitarashi]

A healthy Itachi with killing intent, who has blood-lust and doesn't at all hold back. An Itachi that wants his opponent dead ASAP. This Itachi would be on EMS Madara's level. Too bad we never have or never will see him like that. Every fight he'd been in, he was holding back.
Why did he have to go, Kishiiiiiiiiiiiii?!

Edo tensi Itachi vs Kabuto.