Nagato (KidGamer65) vs Kabuto (Prince Charles)

[deidara senpai]

You're too stupid for that.

do you know that for sure? it could also depend on the topic some people are stronger with other things you shouldnt judge just because he doesnt have a lot of posts but maybe he actually is idk what he posts

 

[Transcendence]

do you know that for sure? it could also depend on the topic some people are stronger with other things you shouldnt judge just because he doesnt have a lot of posts but maybe he actually is idk what he posts

Just search his threads and posts. You should know; I never throw out insults unless they are warranted by pasts actions.

 

[deidara senpai]

Just search his threads and posts. You should know; I never throw out insults unless they are warranted by pasts actions.

i havent looked at his posts so im not saying your wrong im just assuming if you were just saying that because of somthing like his post counts or something like that he might be a moron for all i know (atm no im not calling you a moron guy whose user name i forgot that we are talking about) but hey you seem to know more about him then me

 

[Unorthodox]

prince charles is winning but somehow im not surprised

 

[Edo Odin]

Sound 4 Abilities are far too overrated. What makes Kabuto so strong non-Edo Tensei is SM abilities plus the abilities via Taka. His healing+liquifying+gathering infinite Nature chakra is because of Taka. That's what makes him powerful.

While the abilities of Taka may be more useful, underestimating the abilities of the Sound Four would be a mistake.

 

[Prince Charles]

bumping this thread
#3hunna
# no sugar coatin

I talk money! I dont walk bull shit

 

[Transcendence]

While the abilities of Taka may be more useful, underestimating the abilities of the Sound Four would be a mistake.

That is true. But to say that they would be an overcoming factor in a fight against a master Rinnegan user is blasphemy.

 

[Strict]

The white rage technique is an entity made of Chakra. If it comes in touch with the Shinra Tensei, it will meet the same fate like Naruto's Rasenshuriken [

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] and Kakashi's lightning beast [

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] as the Chakra circulation is destroyed. Allowedly, if not the intel, Nagato would have been surprised and have quite a hard time in withstanding it. I don't think that the dragon is reformed in the same move it is destroyed. More logically it appears that Kabuto would have to use another one. Note, that Kakashi's lightning beast was also connected to him with a lightning leash [

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].

If we learned one thing from Ninja combats, it is that one will not use the same technique again if it was already countered (without effort), expect if he combines them with other strategical elements, what can't apply to the white rage technique, which is always used by the same way like one wouldn't use Tsukuyomi on someone who already broke it.

 

[Prince Charles]

strict sit ya ass down somewhere this is between me and kg.

 

[Unorthodox]

strict sit ya ass down somewhere this is between me and kg.

lmfao why you using a avatar that looks like kidgamers

 

[Prince Charles]

lmfao why you using a avatar that looks like kidgamers

??? I use this ava all the time, I switch up my avas all the time. Not too mention it fits my ava.

 

[KidGamer65]

OK real talk I havent began debating yet! im about to disgrace this clown so bad! after im done with this clown he's gunna be another zimmerman victim! PRINCE STYLE!

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Hey kidgamer! I dont see how you can hate from our side of the club.. when you cant even get in.. Haha LEH GO​

The white dragon is indeed holding the black Orb as you demonstrated. But I still have to disagree! Once the ST impales the black orb needless to say it will burst I presume? We have to use common sense here, Now you claim the white dragon will be impaled back along with the orb before it can detonate. You're not taking into factors here

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As displayed the white dragon and formed out of kabuto's mouth, Now lets take into consideration here that if indeed nagato use a ST to repel the dragon logically it would still be connected to kabuto's mouth will it not? Taken that into consideration the ST would also be pushing back kabuto along with the dragon, so we can conclude that Kabuto can simply reform the dragon at will if needed.

Assuming that he has to use Shinra Tensei while its still connected to Kabuto's mouth. There's an interval after it laves its mouth and before it detonates. That's when ST would be used. Since ST doesn't cause damage by itself (As I already showed) it will just be sent flying back (Along with Kabuto if he is in the path of it) allowing to detonate at the end of or outside of the crater where no one is at.

Or it could just break apart like Strict mentioned.

Also it should be noted that kabuto already has full knowledge on Nagato's rinnegan techs. Shinrei tensei has ways of being countered.

Kidomaru's web

Now to my understanding I believe Kabuto using kidomaru's webs[

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] as a means of softening the impact of ST is a noteworthy counter here. Allow me explain

Similar to how Rock lee did a devastating blow upon Gaara with the use of gates[

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]. Gaara is capable of reducing the damage basically softening the attack by using his sand gourd as a cushion to soften the blow[

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]. Now quite similar not only can kidomaru's be used a way to hold strong against shinrei tensei but also With kabuto's pre knowledge on shinrei tensei by using kidomaru's webs to soften the impact of ST is a likely counter.

Like all spider webs, they need something to be connected to in order to hold them up, which is impossible inside the Konoha Crater since its just an open space with no ceiling to connect the webs to. So I don't see how he can use Kidomaru's web.

Not to mention a Shinra Tensei the size of the one that blew down the forests would blow down the web as well.

I think your taking light of Kabuto's DSM enhancements, but Ill go over that in a few moments. Now regarding the chakra cannon hitting Kabuto you and me both know his regeneration automatically makes that futile. But I still feel you're not totally understanding kabuto's defenses here.

The fact that he is able to make physical contact with sasukes kusanagi blade multiple proves his skin durability[

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Don't forget that Itachi didn't even swing at him with the blade. He is the one who blocked Kabuto, this feat would be more impressive had Itachi been on the offensive, but meh.

Anyways regarding Nagato's Limbs are futile here as they simply get cut off with the use of Kabutos chakra scrapel[

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]. The fact that he cut Itachis body in half effortlessly, Nagato's extra Limbs are futile in this case. Like I said Nagatos wants to avoid CQC as much as possible. If Nagato were to grab kabuto by the tail, kabuto can simply counterattack by simply going into his liquefy mode or rather performing body shedding technique.

You seem to be forgetting about Preta Path. Which would absorb the chakra on his hand the moment he made contact with the barrier, leaving him open to a counter attac by Nagato.

Kabuto being able to reach nagato is effortlessly as seeing he able to evade a sussano from ems sasuke[

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]. Then theres also the fact that If nagato were to grab Kabuto by the tell he also risk getting a snake bite with poisonous venom.

That shows his evasive capabilities, but not his overall speed. Which shouldn't be that impressive. If we go by the normal Sage Mode boost his speed should be somewhere around SM Naruto's speed since their base speeds were equal in the Databook (3.5) He's fast, but he's no speedster.

If he uses his mechanical limb to grab him then he doesn't have to worry about getting bit by Kabuto, not to mention

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would occur before he could bite him, but you already said he can use oral rebirth or liquefy.

In fact. A Liquification of a smaller snake took some time and Itachi was still able to

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Kabuto, being bigger than these snakes would take more time for him to liquefy, so that wouldn't even save him from Human Path, which can be done and over with in a second.

If he tries to escape via

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. Bansho Tennin can pull him back toward Nagato allowing him the chance to finish up with Human Path.

Similar to how Sasuke attacked while

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Nagato could do the same, leaving little time for Kabuto to counter attack.

The orb and white dragon are rather fragile and small beings. If they came into contact with ST, also taking into consideration of the liquid like characteristic of the white dragon it could possibly still harm the orb causing it to shatter and eventually disperse. But as I said above I gave my thoughts on this matter somewhat.

They would either get blown back or would be dispersed. No matter how small or fragile it is. It won't take damage from ST, which is nothing but a repulsive force. It deals zero damage by itself.

Read the post above. And honestly saying it causes no damage whats so ever without the impact of something else is a bit of a exaggeration. Thats like saying if a bird got caught in a ST while in the sky where their is nothing for it to get hit by your saying the bird would receive no damage since their was nothing in the sky for the bird to take the impact on.

That's exactly what I'm saying. That's exactly what Shinra Tensei is. A repulsive force that does no damage on its own. It relies on the target crashing into the something to cause damage. That's what Hinata took damage, but Kakashi didn't when he got hit, and that's why B didn't take damage when he got hit.

I think your underestimating the creation of the spikes. With the mass rubble of rocks Kabuto will have more than enough substance to create spikes from.

By the time the orb has pulled him up to its center, Chibaku Tensei wouldn't even be half finished. (Pain could make a bigger one that he did in the manga and Nagato's is stronger and bigger than Pain's) Its impossible to fend off the rest of the incoming rock, by just using spikes created from the rock that's already there, which again, won't even be equal to half of the full orb's size.

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with Kabuto after his spike defense has failed.

Whats impossible? Kabuot using chakra under his feet to stick to a certain point on the sphere of rubble? How so?

I was referring to how he is going to create spikes via Muki Tensei to block incoming rubble, despite rubble being constantly pulled up from the ground, which would inturn smash whatever he is trying to do, making his efforts futile.

Wont be much as a problem when we take into factor of Juugo's clans ability that kabuto absorbed.

Jugo's ability lets him get Nature Energy without staying still, he still needs to have his normal chakra left to merge with his nature energy. Also, Muki Tensei uses your life force. Not your chakra. So Jugo's ability won't help.

Glad we agree. But its also arguable that Kidomaru's webs may also play a role in potentially making kabuto resist Shinrei tensei.

Explained why I don't think the web will help above/

The location is the kohana crater. The majority of substances that will be sucked up are large quantity of boulders and rocks. Any trees or houses would very likely get destroyed and reduced to nothing by the larger rubble of rocks. So he will not have a tough time using MT as he can simply touch the sphere of rubble which largely consist of simply rocks and thats that.

Also when Nagato used CT to capture naruto in his tailed beast form in a Forest the outer characteristics of CT were simply rocks and boulders[

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As you can see while CT was activated we clearly see trees being pulled up but they get reduced to nothing[

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Yeah, you have a point here.

It actually is when he manages to get out of the radius of the gravitational pull.

Then what's the point of keeping himself on the ground via chakra if he's already outside of the gravitational pull? Which covers multiple Mountain Ranges might I add.

Thats because it was still on the surface.. It's questionable when his actually in Mid air where he is vulnerable to incoming rubble.

Considering that no rubble was pulled up from the area Nagato was standing in, and he can toss the orb away from himself. I'd have to say that the chances of him getting hit are slim.

Lol clown. I would agree with you if Asuras missle has the fire power of C4 which V1 Manda's body and skin remained intact[

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]. The length of Manda especially Manda 2 shouldnt be overlooked when he was practically capable of wrapping his body around turtle island[

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]. Manda v1 body length was already considerably high now manda 2 being much larger, I mean its pretty self explanatory. The length of his body is the key factor here which will enable him to reach the orb before it reaches high distances.

Manda got killed by that though. I was just referring to the missiles hindering Manda II, not doing any serious damage.

You forget that Manda II, being a snake, can't extend his whole entire body to the sky to reach for the orb as he has no feet, so the whole of his body length doesn't matter. Not to mention Nagato can toss it above,

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Leaving Manda little to no time to react.

You're missing the point here. It was just due to the fact that he dodged katsuyas acid but also getting quickly behind her as he did it. As I said he will use Muki tensei to bring up Manda before the orb starts to activate. Actually when you think about it the gravitational pull, pulling manda in may actually help my side as seeing it simply make it an easier task on Mandas part to reach and destroy the orb. Thanks clown.

Muki Tensei isn't fast enough to bring Manda II up to the orb before it has started to activate, which takes place as soon as it reaches its destination.

If Manda has started to be pulled up, then rocks have already covered the orb. Manda isn't going to be able to destroy it when that happens, not when by the time KN6 reached up there, not even its

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how does it sound far fetched? He simply retreats to underground for a moment and performs muki tensei with the surrounding rock around him underground. How is he going to make the hand signs? lol what? so he has enough space to move his body around but not hands and fingers which are ants compared to the human body? Nice logic. How is he going to manipulate the ground nagato to is standing on? How far beneath do you think will go? Anyway Muki tensei seems to to be trouble here. So rather his best option would be to use Bone world via Kimimaro KKG which will cover a large radius within a matter of seconds.

Honestly I cant recall the page nor chapter where he it used but Im positive he did as I recall.

Yeah, forget I said this. lmao. I also found the page where he used it.

I honestly think your blowing this space underground out of proportion. It was never specified that he into to use muki tensei he needs to have contact with the surface(upper ground) to manipulate non living things. Him being underground honestly makes no difference here.

Yes I was. My bad. lol.

I disagree regarding his version not having a wide scale that makes no sense when his dsm is suppose to strengthen it. When you take into consideration of this scan[

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], but your not taking into factor of the large gab that kabuto made in the ground from using jirobou which seemed to have cut off some of the bones from spreading out.

Well, when he used it clearly wasn't wide scale. I don't see how the gab in the ground would stop the bones from growing? Even the bones themselves look weaker than

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. Not to mention they are smaller.

Except he will when we take into factor of his increased speed from his dsm.

Like I said. His 3.5 speed plus the SM bonus should put him near Naruto's speed in SM. Not extraordinary at all. Not to mention ST can be activated by thought, and Kabuto is not so fast that he can hit Nagato before he thinks to activate ST.

Sigh how willl he not be making contact with the rubble when he is touching them? Once he does it fuses his life force into a considerable amount of rubble and manipulates them.

smh when he used MT on the cave he touched one spot[

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]. Yet he is capable of controlling large amount of spikes that he did not touch[

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] and he changed the form of the landscape. Explain this so called great one. Obviously your part on kabuto not coming into contact with the other rubble and thus not being able to manipulate them is flawed when he didnt touch every spike nor location of the cave yet still controlled a majority of it!

Yeah, yeah, I know. I concede this part.

Or maybe you never thought of kabuto turning into liquid. and dripping through the cracks of the rubble while he is encased?

Of a giant sphere that is made of many Mountains? Not likely. Water or not he'll probably still be stuck in there. There may be cracks, but its still tons and tons of rock smashed together to form that giant orb.

Are you referring to my theory? If so go read above as I explained he does not need to touch every single to aspect and inch of the sphere to control and manipulate a large portion of it.

Yeah, I see now.

Point is I already gave enough counters for CT.

Muki Tensei isn't going to work. Creating spikes will only allow him to delay the inevitable, which is the spikes getting smashed by the incoming rubble and him getting trapped in the orb as I explained above.

Agreeable and I also expressed my thoughts on the bone world and Muki tensei while he is in the ground. Also it should be noted that he should have ways of making freed up space while underground particular with brute force when we take into factor of his body upgrades.

Agreed.

What does he do next you say? he creates a large gap into the earth with the use of jirobou and restrain the gedo as long as he can.

Restraining the Gedo isn't going to stop the Soul Dragon.

Jirobuo's earth splitting.

How will that save him from the dragon? If its how you meant it above, then the above applies. Restraining Gedo won't help here.

It is going to make a big difference, he already had experience and the proficiency to pull it off. Added with dsm which is noted to increase the power of the users genjutsu it only seems logical it will be stronger. I think your abusing this full intel quite a bit, obviously their should be a extent to this full intel. I dont see how it makes sense both opponents know all of the others jutsu and etc.. but whatever.

I agree that it'll be stronger, but enough to knock out Nagato? Meh, whatever.

Full intel means he has intel on everything about the opponent.


Snake ropes whatever Makes no difference here. Kabutos version seem to be snakes. Tayuyas genjutsu has its flaws. The victim can still move to a certain extent and still perform doujutsu techniques as shown by itachi and sasuke so it isnt as formidable as you think.

Fodder genjutsu? haha funny. As I said if he cant react to the falling feathers in time he will go to sleep.[/QUOTE]

It was broken by Part 1 Sakura, of course it's fodder Genjutsu when compared to someone of Nagato's level and skill. Though Sage Mode might make it non fodderish or less fodderish lol

But, nonetheless. Since Sakura was able to react to it without knowing beforehand it was Genjutsu, Nagato will be able to react to it with chakra disruption blades to cancel the Genjutsu before he falls asleep.

Btw I honestly think your over exaggerating the space underground while doing hide like a mole technique. Tobi planted deidaras clay bombs which obviously requires some form of hand movement.[

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]. Regarding nagato sensing kabuto under ground Kabuto will most likely have the surprise counter attack first with bone world before nagato can react.

He can just use Asura's propulsion boots to evade or fly above it. Or he could use the abilities of Deva Path to escape via levitation. Since he puts chakra in the earth as he moves, Nagato will sense him before he is anywhere near his position. Given he knows what Kabuto is capable of. Evading the area or levitating would be a smart choice.


I'd also like to add that Kabuto showed that he knew he'd be in

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That's just Obito, whose mastery doesn't even come close to that of Nagato's.

 

[Prince Charles]

Ill post my counter later.

 

[Stark]

This is getting turnt up

 

[Zexion~]

Nope, its turning into a .....Susano'o


We picked a really shitty name for usage

 

[Prince Charles]

Nope, its turning into a .....Susano'o


We picked a really shitty name for usage

so corny lol I told you to stop saying that xd

 

[Zexion~]

so corny lol I told you to stop saying that xd

Lmao at least mines unique, and original , everyone says turnt up ..Literally everyone

 

[Prince Charles]

Lmao at least mines unique, and original , everyone says turnt up ..Literally everyone

What can I say... people follow me

 

[Zexion~]

What can I say... people follow me

I meant in real life lol,

But ya everyone copied you on NB

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

It really looks like the clown isn't ready to hang around with the big boys XD

Lol, whatever. Great debate guys, it's late here, ill try to have my verdict out later tomorrow if I have the time (Will be out.), though I already have a clear indication of who the winner is.