Current gaara vs current sasuke

[slimreaper]

13 year old gaara made a desert out of a forest under a minute

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,and he also said making sand takes no effort for him,

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,current gaara will make a much bigger wave in much less time.

Enton arrows have little piercing power,susanoo arrows have the piercing power,enton arrows have the piercing power. Enton arrows are made of pure amaterasu,and thus will ignite the first thing they hit,which is why chakra rods stopped the attack,all gaara has to do is put up a wall or intercept it with sand drizzle

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to stop it. Susanoo arrows got altered by a rock pillar,they would do even worse against against a sand wall several times stronger than steel.

Those juubi clones were beaen by almost everyone,even kiba tore through several of them,and they are made of skin,so an enton blade on them would easily slice them,gaara's sand has proven resilient to enon,not once,

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,but twice,

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with the same gourd sand he was using,note that the first enton didnt even ignite his sand,it was the second one,where he caught the flames that they ignited the front of the sand.
How is sasuke ven going to get gaara in that range,when gaara is flying and he is on a snake?,and since gaara is above,he can easily attack sasuke with ariel sand attacks and restrain his susanoo,while keeping out of genjutsus and susanoo sword ranges.

look at the pic of sasuke cutting the juubi clone, the clone nor the arrow ignites on the first thing it touches

 

[genii96]

madara susanoo was 1/25 of its original power also enton burns thru things they cant be compared

considering madara's power consists of ms rinnegan moukton unlimited chakra,and the fact that each clone had full susanoos,which means even that fraction of madara's susanoo is still above sasuke's at the same level,seeing as sasuke dosent have a full bodied susanoo,and the fact that sasuke's tsukiyomi was broken by a simple kai,while a normal genjutsu paralyzed Ay. And those clones had ems and other stuff,so yea it's comparable. Oh and enton has been shown to not work on gaara's sand anyway. And seeing as pulling down 2 meteors is just a play thing for madara,his clones arent far off either. Gaara also blocked all 5 at once,thus it is mor like 1/5 of madara's power

look at the pic of sasuke cutting the juubi clone, the clone nor the arrow ignites on the first thing it touches

oh right,so that was a normal sword,still dosent change anything,those clones were raw flesh,other shinobi cut through them,they are not comparable,what about my other points?,you havent countered anything.

 

[slimreaper]

considering madara's power consists of ms rinnegan moukton unlimited chakra,and the fact that each clone had full susanoos,which means even that fraction of madara's susanoo is still above sasuke's at the same level,seeing as sasuke dosent have a full bodied susanoo,and the fact that sasuke's tsukiyomi was broken by a simple kai,while a normal genjutsu paralyzed Ay. And those clones had ems and other stuff,so yea it's comparable. Oh and enton has been shown to not work on gaara's sand anyway. And seeing as pulling down 2 meteors is just a play thing for madara,his clones arent far off either. Gaara also blocked all 5 at once,thus it is mor like 1/5 of madara's power


oh right,so that was a normal sword,still dosent change anything,those clones were raw flesh,other shinobi cut through them,they are not comparable,what about my other points?,you havent countered anything.

i doubt he can instantly make a desert without shukaku. and taking no effort doesn't not mean its instant. as far as the enton piercing, well just have to agree to disagree because I say it can pierce and you say it can't so we are just going to go in circles.

 

[General Lex]

Gaara is my favorite character but I'll give this one to Sasuke. I think that Gaara could hold his own for a while against Sasuke but is unlikely to obtain a victory over him. At the same time however, I don't think that Sasuke can easily defeat Gaara. From what has been seen from both characters, Sasuke lacks the overwhelming power to overthrow Gaara's defense. The only edge I'd give Sasuke is that he could probably out last Gaara.

 

[genii96]

i doubt he can instantly make a desert without shukaku. and taking no effort doesn't not mean its instant. as far as the enton piercing, well just have to agree to disagree because I say it can pierce and you say it can't so we are just going to go in circles.

actually shukaku had nothin to do with that,he didn access it's power in any way,he promised never to turn to shukaku again after his fight with naruto.
As for the enton,there is nothing to agree or disagree on,i showed you gaara stopping enton twice with his sand,and as well as a rocky pillar altering the arrow all in the manga. Your claim of sasuke's enton piercing his sand is based mostly on it cutting through juubi's clones which were bare bodied and had no durability at all. We have seen what happned when enton was used on his sand,and we saw how it didnt affect it.

Gaara is my favorite character but I'll give this one to Sasuke. I think that Gaara could hold his own for a while against Sasuke but is unlikely to obtain a victory over him. At the same time however, I don't think that Sasuke can easily defeat Gaara. From what has been seen from both characters, Sasuke lacks the overwhelming power to overthrow Gaara's defense. The only edge I'd give Sasuke is that he could probably out last Gaara.

sasuke outlasting gaara?,CE gaara has a higher chakra stat than current sasuke:|

 

[AGoodBoy]

gaara can easily make that kind of defence again,and much faster than before(which was pretty mich almost instant) if he feels that sasuke can breach his normal defences. If gaara made than shield for bones,je wont make an even stronger one for a v4 susanoo?. For goodness sake,a rock pillar and an incomplete moukton tree caused an arrow to hit the ground,gaara's defence is much denser,it will do even worse aagainst a sand wall than a rock pillar. The arrows have high killing potential,but they are not piercing defences denser than steel,at the very most,they will hit the ground as their trajectory will be altered just like danzo.




you mean the enton gaara so easily blocked while simultaneously stopping a v2 kick from A?,or the ones he caught 3 times in 2 panels from 8m easily?.


nope,just pointing out that gaara can deal with piercing attacks and isnt helpless as good boy is saying.

that defence has the massive prep time of grindiing minerals and putting them into the defence, he only had time for that because of the slow execution of kimi's attack. Kimi had to hold him with a spine, then form the drill, then attack. All sasuke does is attack seeing as forming an enton sword takes seconds. gaara doesn't have enough time to dig up those minerals and infuse it into his sand and then activate shukaku ultimate defence, else he'd use it against madara's magatamas which he didn't (they broke through his 'mother' ultimate defence).

In anycase, your exaample with the cave and danzo is pointless considering i said enton sword (which his susano'o holds) and not enton arrow. You're not changing the trajectory of a sword that's being manipulated by a user

 

[genii96]

that defence has the massive prep time of grindiing minerals and putting them into the defence, he only had time for that because of the slow execution of kimi's attack. Kimi had to hold him with a spine, then form the drill, then attack. All sasuke does is attack seeing as forming an enton sword takes seconds. gaara doesn't have enough time to dig up those minerals and infuse it into his sand and then activate shukaku ultimate defence, else he'd use it against madara's magatamas which he didn't (they broke through his 'mother' ultimate defence).

In anycase, your exaample with the cave and danzo is pointless considering i said enton sword (which his susano'o holds) and not enton arrow. You're not changing the trajectory of a sword that's being manipulated by a user

massive prep time? Where did you get that?.gaara makes sand through breaking down of minerls,that shield was made when he used his chakra to compress it very much,there is no prep time. The sand trhat blocked c3,was made through using tough minerals too and flowing chakra through it as well.
Magatmas didnt break through his mother's ultimate defence,they broke through a simple sand wall that LOOKED like his mother,when gaara first caught the edo kages the sand that held them loked like his mom too,yeat they werent his stongest capture tech(which is sand pyramid). That was just a sand wall,nothig more,and you say i as if it was one magatama,there were about a dozen,,some were blocked,and th rest were halted enough so that they didnt break the golem. It's not the same as a sinle or arrows,or an enton blade. And the shield wont be needed or an enton blade anyway,seeing as his sand is either immune or highly resistant to burning from the black flames,also like i said in my previous post,it is a short ranged attack and it is more o a slashing attack anyway,which wont really bothr gaara if sasuke even gets in range,seeing as gaara can just fly away,that is quite difficult,also he can just counter the sword with sand arms like these,

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Also,this is from the databooks,
"A sandshieldcreated out of a concentration of the extremely hard materials that rest underground. Those materials are selected at a moment's notice thanks to chakra control,and after compression is applied, they are mixed together. The name of Shukaku, the Avatar of the Sand, is appropriate for such great defensive power...
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-The minute congregation of sand becomes ashieldof solidity unmatched!!
-The sand tanuki stands in the way, stopping the blow from all attacks!!"

look at the bolded,getting the minerals is done in a whim. Gaara also said it took no effort to get sand from the ground. The moment kimi made his bone drill and hyped it,gaara made the defence. So no,there is no massive prep time.

The amount of time it took a 13 year old gaar to do it will be much longer than a 16 year old gaara too .

How does sasuke hit a flying gaara with it anyway?

 

[General Lex]

sasuke outlasting gaara?,CE gaara has a higher chakra stat than current sasuke:|

I don't disagree that Gaara has a higher amount of chakra. He was a host to a tailed beast so his chakra levels had to have been high. That being said I do not equate chakra levels with ability to outlast someone. Naruto in the first part had an enormous amount of chakra yet was so inefficient at utilizing it he was outlasted by many opponents. It is believed that many of Gaara's attacks are very chakra taxing especially the large scaled ones that does not use the special sand in his gourd. I think that since Sasuke has obtained EMS he has become much more efficient at using his formally chakra taxing jutsu meaning that he use his jutsu to a greater degree than Gaara can use his. Thus the battle would conclude with who can outlast who. Basically I'm talking about efficiency.

 

[genii96]

I don't disagree that Gaara has a higher amount of chakra. He was a host to a tailed beast so his chakra levels had to have been high. That being said I do not equate chakra levels with ability to outlast someone. Naruto in the first part had an enormous amount of chakra yet was so inefficient at utilizing it he was outlasted by many opponents. It is believed that many of Gaara's attacks are very chakra taxing especially the large scaled ones that does not use the special sand in his gourd. I think that since Sasuke has obtained EMS he has become much more efficient at using his formally chakra taxing jutsu meaning that he use his jutsu to a greater degree than Gaara can use his. Thus the battle would conclude with who can outlast who. Basically I'm talking about efficiency.

Gaara's chakra control is the reson e makes sand so easily""A sandshieldcreated out of a concentration of the extremely hard materials that rest underground. Those materials are selected at a moment's notice thanks to chakra control, and after compression is applied, they are mixed together. The name of Shukaku, the Avatar of the Sand, is appropriate for such great defensive power...
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-The minute congregation of sand becomes ashieldof solidity unmatched!!
-The sand tanuki stands in the way, stopping the blow from all attacks!!

Read the bold.
Sasuke isnt very good at utilizing his chakra either,he got outlasted by itachi,who used all ms techs and was sick as well,he got blinded by his ms use a few days after getting the ms.
Watch his fight with deidara,he used tons of sand through out,and only showed stress when he made a sand shield the size of a hidden village,other than that he wasnt even exhausted,his chakra control is good,he also fought for 2 days using all these high taxing moves,and faced 3 kages back to back and faced madara for a time. Gaara has both chakra and efficieny,and the difference in their chakra levels is far too high as well. So sasuke isnt outlasting gaara at alll

 

[General Lex]

Gaara's chakra control is the reson e makes sand so easily""A sandshieldcreated out of a concentration of the extremely hard materials that rest underground. Those materials are selected at a moment's notice thanks to chakra control, and after compression is applied, they are mixed together. The name of Shukaku, the Avatar of the Sand, is appropriate for such great defensive power...
Captions
-The minute congregation of sand becomes ashieldof solidity unmatched!!
-The sand tanuki stands in the way, stopping the blow from all attacks!!

Read the bold.
Sasuke isnt very good at utilizing his chakra either,he got outlasted by itachi,who used all ms techs and was sick as well,he got blinded by his ms use a few days after getting the ms.
Watch his fight with deidara,he used tons of sand through out,and only showed stress when he made a sand shield the size of a hidden village,other than that he wasnt even exhausted,his chakra control is good,he also fought for 2 days using all these high taxing moves,and faced 3 kages back to back and faced madara for a time. Gaara has both chakra and efficieny,and the difference in their chakra levels is far too high as well. So sasuke isnt outlasting gaara at alll

Your starting to confuse me. You brought up Shukaku yet current Gaara does not have him. You also brought up Sasuke who fought Itachi sometime ago yet Gaara is facing current Sasuke with EMS who, since reintroduced after his brief skirmish with Naruto, has yet to have been seen exhausted after using any technique. I'm not saying that Gaara isn't efficient at controlling his chakra. What I am saying is that he does use a lot of chakra when fighting. The same goes for Sasuke. In my opinion Sasuke since receiving EMS has been able to use formally taxing jutsu with ease. Where Sasuke has gained Gaara has lost. If Gaara still had Shukaku then we are talking about a different battle where Gaaras taxing techniques won't be a crutch.

 

[genii96]

Your starting to confuse me. You brought up Shukaku yet current Gaara does not have him. You also brought up Sasuke who fought Itachi sometime ago yet Gaara is facing current Sasuke with EMS who, since reintroduced after his brief skirmish with Naruto, has yet to have been seen exhausted after using any technique. I'm not saying that Gaara isn't efficient at controlling his chakra. What I am saying is that he does use a lot of chakra when fighting. The same goes for Sasuke. In my opinion Sasuke since receiving EMS has been able to use formally taxing jutsu with ease. Where Sasuke has gained Gaara has lost. If Gaara still had Shukaku then we are talking about a different battle where Gaaras taxing techniques won't be a crutch.

that quote was from gaara making his shield of shukaku,it dosent have anything to do with the actual bijuu. Sasuke's jutsus werent taxing compared to sick itachi,and he had more base chakra,yet got outlasted,which means his chakra control isnt as good as you make it sound. The bolded part shos how good his chakra control is,and chakra contrl allows you to use minimum chakra for a required jutsu,also gaara trains in only sad techs all his life,naturally he would be a master at using it,similar to guy and lee in taijutsu.
Like i said,gaara went for 2 days straight,fighting kages without getting tired,so he has very good chakra control,and coupled with the fact that his chakra levels are much higher,sasuke isnt outlasting him,i doubt sasuke can go 2 days fighting

 

[General Lex]

that quote was from gaara making his shield of shukaku,it dosent have anything to do with the actual bijuu. Sasuke's jutsus werent taxing compared to sick itachi,and he had more base chakra,yet got outlasted,which means his chakra control isnt as good as you make it sound. The bolded part shos how good his chakra control is,and chakra contrl allows you to use minimum chakra for a required jutsu,also gaara trains in only sad techs all his life,naturally he would be a master at using it,similar to guy and lee in taijutsu.
Like i said,gaara went for 2 days straight,fighting kages without getting tired,so he has very good chakra control,and coupled with the fact that his chakra levels are much higher,sasuke isnt outlasting him,i doubt sasuke can go 2 days fighting

Ok I'll meet you half way. If both Gaara and Sasuke were to fight and both were equal in chakra control for their more taxing jutsus then I give Gaara the edge since his chakra levels are probably higher than Sasuke's. But you have to admit that since receiving EMS Sasuke has been able to use his more power jutsu easier and without exhaustion.

 

[genii96]

Ok I'll meet you half way. If both Gaara and Sasuke were to fight and both were equal in chakra control for their more taxing jutsus then I give Gaara the edge since his chakra levels are probably higher than Sasuke's. But you have to admit that since receiving EMS Sasuke has been able to use his more power jutsu easier and without exhaustion.

yea thats tru,ems reduces strain.

 

[slimreaper]

sasuke doesn't need ems he wins via chidori

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[Gakido]

War Arc Gaara can beat Sasuke despite being weaker than Jinchuriki Gaara. His Sand Already blocked multiple attacks form Madara's Susano'O whos is stronger than Sasuke's. Sasuke's arrow also barely pierced stone.

 

[slimreaper]

War Arc Gaara can beat Sasuke despite being weaker than Jinchuriki Gaara. His Sand Already blocked multiple attacks form Madara's Susano'O whos is stronger than Sasuke's. Sasuke's arrow also barely pierced stone.

chidori pierces it like butter

 

[Gakido]

chidori pierces it like butter

Part one Gaara's Sand. War and Jin Gaara's Sand have much better tanking feats.

That's like me saying that Lee already trashed Sasuke so he could do it again.

 

[slimreaper]

Part one Gaara's Sand. War and Jin Gaara's Sand have much better tanking feats.

That's like me saying that Lee already trashed Sasuke so he could do it again.

sand is sand. It is still made of the same materials why wouldn't sasuke's chidori cut through it the same way?

 

[Gakido]

sand is sand. It is still made of the same materials why wouldn't sasuke's chidori cut through it the same way?

Its also chakra enhanced, Which can make its durability fluctuate. Since then, Gaara's sand has shown better tanking feats and has tanked worse than Chidori.

 

[slimreaper]

Its also chakra enhanced, Which can make its durability fluctuate. Since then, Gaara's sand has shown better tanking feats and has tanked worse than Chidori.

Lightning>earth. all sand is is small pieces of earth. Give feats of it tanking an attack that pierces like chidori because right now chidori is up 2-0