[FEAR] Byakugan vs Sharingan (UPDATED)

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Give me a scan that proves Madara can beat Konohamaru ? If you cannot I will claim that Konohamaru > Madara.

It's logic using Manga facts. EMS Sasuke has Enton release, Susano, Some sort of Genjutsu that even worked on Danzo who had a sharingan himself. He is fast enough to keep up with Bee and A, A being praised as one of the fastest Ninja. He can hold his own against Kages. He is fighting along side some of the most powerful Ninjas in Narutoverse - 4 Hokage and Naruto. Please tell me how a Hyuga, who aren't even on the level high enough to be actively participating in a battle against Obito can own him. And don't use heavenly rotation and 64 palms as a solution to everything because if it was really that almighty Neji would of have used it to deflect the branches, and 64 palms is nowhere near the speed that A has.

Like last few chapters showed you, raw speed and strength > Ninjutsu. Sasuke might have Susano, Amaterasu and Genjutsu but it's useless against someone as fast and strong like Obito. I don't think you people understand this but Sasuke and Naruto are on completely different level than rest of Konoha. And while Hyuga have some outstanding defenses, they are nothing compared to raw speed and power of Kage level Ninja.

Hahaha, this is clearly one of the most stubborn arguments I have read throughout in Narutobase... We are talking about two noble clans of Konoha, putting character theorically on the battlefield, with similar levels, with similar potential so we can do a serious comparison, and you bring that handicap to the table?

Whatever dude... as you were stubborn with this answer, I will with mine...

DIDN'T READ THE REST KTHXBYE
 

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Kishi should have given a Byakugan to Sakura from the beginning...
That would be much more interesting... a Hyuuga healler with Katsuyu summonings.
 

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Kishi should have given a Byakugan to Sakura from the beginning...
That would be much more interesting... a Hyuuga healler with Katsuyu summonings.

Sooo true, maybe then we will finally see some Hyuga development @__@. Hyuga is a power clan that still exists, Uchiha is a dead clan that is long dead... There are more Uchiha Main Characters than there are Hyuga Main and Side Characters...

Hahaha, this is clearly one of the most stubborn arguments I have read throughout in Narutobase... We are talking about two noble clans of Konoha, putting character theorically on the battlefield, with similar levels, with similar potential so we can do a serious comparison, and you bring that handicap to the table?

Whatever dude... as you were stubborn with this answer, I will with mine...

DIDN'T READ THE REST KTHXBYE

This guy is being difficult because he can be, I was just going to ignore him until he went away but it doesnt seem like he plans on leaving x__x


Give me a scan that proves Madara can beat Konohamaru ? If you cannot I will claim that Konohamaru > Madara.

It's logic using Manga facts. EMS Sasuke has Enton release, Susano, Some sort of Genjutsu that even worked on Danzo who had a sharingan himself. He is fast enough to keep up with Bee and A, A being praised as one of the fastest Ninja. He can hold his own against Kages. He is fighting along side some of the most powerful Ninjas in Narutoverse - 4 Hokage and Naruto. Please tell me how a Hyuga, who aren't even on the level high enough to be actively participating in a battle against Obito can own him. And don't use heavenly rotation and 64 palms as a solution to everything because if it was really that almighty Neji would of have used it to deflect the branches, and 64 palms is nowhere near the speed that A has.

Like last few chapters showed you, raw speed and strength > Ninjutsu. Sasuke might have Susano, Amaterasu and Genjutsu but it's useless against someone as fast and strong like Obito. I don't think you people understand this but Sasuke and Naruto are on completely different level than rest of Konoha. And while Hyuga have some outstanding defenses, they are nothing compared to raw speed and power of Kage level Ninja.

Few things you cannot seem to grasp.

1) An argument on which is stronger between the Hyuga and the Uchiha or the Byakugan vs the Sharingan is NOT synonymous with who is stronger than Sasuke. That would be like me saying the Uzumaki is stronger than the Uchiha simply because the SO6P was an Uzumaki. This is known as the "Fallacy of false composition" [ ]

2) You are comparing Sasuke to a Clan with no one to compare it too, you keep saying things like the "Hyuga have no speed feats and arent fast" "The Hyuga cant do this" "Hyuga cant do that".. You are assuming that since we have seen nothing special out of the Hyuga then they must not be anything special, this is known as the "Fallacy of non-sequitur" [ ]. The reason we have seen nothing special out of the Hyuga is because we simply havent seen anything of the Hyuga, which is reasonable because they arent neccesarily main characters, but what I have done is create certain deductions based on what we know to be true. For instance:

A) People who practice only Taijutsu are amazing at it.
Example: Rock Lee and Gai practice only Taijutsu, therefore they must be Amazing at it, which they are.
B) The Hyuga also practice only Taijutsu, and thus they must be Amazing at it as well.

Its very simple logic, now if you want to then turn around and say that they arent good at Taijutsu simply because we havent seen them be good with it is sort of pointless because based on this stream of logic we see that they simply must be. To argue against my theory you must argue against the stream of logic used above. Further opinion and debate is not needed.

That is all that I have done throughout the thread, I take a fact, and make a deduction about the Hyuga which logically follows said fact. If what I am saying is wrong then it should be apparent or easily refuted, but NOBODY has tried to fault the logic but rather argues about MS abilities or change the subject in general. Not even you, you start talking about how Neji is going to deflect things with he palm rotation etc... This is known as silence in the face of an accusation, which basically means if I say the Hyuga are great at Taijutsu and you respond with, they cant beat MS abilities, then that means that you agree that they are great at Taijutsu.

Lastly I never stated how Neji would fair in a fight with the Juubi or Sasuke because we will never know, seeing as to how he died saving Naruto's life and all, I merely made a few Logical deductions about the Hyuga to showcase how strong they are, now if I wanted to argue the conjecture you want me to, I could, but I dont... ill leave that to the RPG players like hidorama said.
 
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Sharingan wins hands down. The keep getting powerups. Have to wait till Hyuga show us everything.
 

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Sooo true, maybe then we will finally see some Hyuga development @__@. Hyuga is a power clan that still exists, Uchiha is a dead clan that is long dead... There are more Uchiha Main Characters than there are Hyuga Main and Side Characters...



This guy is being difficult because he can be, I was just going to ignore him until he went away but it doesnt seem like he plans on leaving x__x




Few things you cannot seem to grasp.

1) An argument on which is stronger between the Hyuga and the Uchiha or the Byakugan vs the Sharingan is NOT synonymous with who is stronger than Sasuke. That would be like me saying the Uzumaki is stronger than the Uchiha simply because the SO6P was an Uzumaki. This is known as the "Fallacy of false composition" [ ]

2) You are comparing Sasuke to a Clan with no one to compare it too, you keep saying things like the "Hyuga have no speed feats and arent fast" "The Hyuga cant do this" "Hyuga cant do that".. You are assuming that since we have seen nothing special out of the Hyuga then they must not be anything special, this is known as the "Fallacy of non-sequitur" [ ]. The reason we have seen nothing special out of the Hyuga is because we simply havent seen anything of the Hyuga, which is reasonable because they arent neccesarily main characters, but what I have done is create certain deductions based on what we know to be true. For instance:

A) People who practice only Taijutsu are amazing at it.
Example: Rock Lee and Gai practice only Taijutsu, therefore they must be Amazing at it, which they are.
B) The Hyuga also practice only Taijutsu, and thus they must be Amazing at it as well.

Its very simple logic, now if you want to then turn around and say that they arent good at Taijutsu simply because we havent seen them be good with it is sort of pointless because based on this stream of logic we see that they simply must be. To argue against my theory you must argue against the stream of logic used above. Further opinion and debate is not needed.

That is all that I have done throughout the thread, I take a fact, and make a deduction about the Hyuga which logically follows said fact. If what I am saying is wrong then it should be apparent or easily refuted, but NOBODY has tried to fault the logic but rather argues about MS abilities or change the subject in general. Not even you, you start talking about how Neji is going to deflect things with he palm rotation etc... This is known as silence in the face of an accusation, which basically means if I say the Hyuga are great at Taijutsu and you respond with, they cant beat MS abilities, then that means that you agree that they are great at Taijutsu.

Lastly I never stated how Neji would fair in a fight with the Juubi or Sasuke because we will never know, seeing as to how he died saving Naruto's life and all, I merely made a few Logical deductions about the Hyuga to showcase how strong they are, now if I wanted to argue the conjecture you want me to, I could, but I dont... ill leave that to the RPG players like hidorama said.

At least my friend, I completely agree with your points on this one.

As for 'oksus', he must know how to make arguments. The basics of this topics is made to compare two clans with doujutsus. In order to compare these doujutsus, it's common sense that the wielders must have similar (if not the same levels) in terms of 'ranking' (taking in account the Databook statistics). All deductions we make here are based mainly on abilities, and poorly we can make some comparisons since all relationships we have between Byakugan and Sharingan are made indirectly, based on fights that are not even directly related.

If he knew (in a cocky manner) that in order to compare two characters they had to have similar levels (and in consequence he took Konohamaru vs Madara as a sarcasm, maybe), then his post with auto-glorifying was just meaningless, because of course:

Facts:

- EMS Sasuke has Enton release, Susano, Some sort of Genjutsu that even worked on Danzo who had a sharingan himself.

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He is fast enough to keep up with Bee and A, A being praised as one of the fastest Ninja. He can hold his own against Kages. He is fighting along side some of the most powerful Ninjas in Narutoverse - 4 Hokage and Naruto.

Not facts:

Please tell me how a Hyuga, who aren't even on the level high enough to be actively participating in a battle against Obito can own him. And don't use heavenly rotation and 64 palms as a solution to everything because if it was really that almighty Neji would of have used it to deflect the branches, and 64 palms is nowhere near the speed that A has.


This guys seriously NEEDS to read the databook. He will learn that there is no Hyuuga that can match Sasuke (only Hizashi), so his arguments are totally off topic when he brings that unbalanced handicap.
 

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As for 'oksus', he must know how to make arguments. The basics of this topics is made to compare two clans with doujutsus. In order to compare these doujutsus, it's common sense that the wielders must have similar (if not the same levels) in terms of 'ranking' (taking in account the Databook statistics). All deductions we make here are based mainly on abilities, and poorly we can make some comparisons since all relationships we have between Byakugan and Sharingan are made indirectly, based on fights that are not even directly related.

Very well said, also can I get a link to the databook or something? I remember someone posting in full in a thread a while back but i cant find it..
 

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I have the tendency to use the Statistics put in Naruto Wikia.





Look for the Stats section.

PS: I don't remember where is that thread. Either way, even if Wikia can be modified by users, the Stats are official.
 

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I have the tendency to use the Statistics put in Naruto Wikia.





Look for the Stats section.

PS: I don't remember where is that thread. Either way, even if Wikia can be modified by users, the Stats are official.

I see, dam, i remember seeing a thread with literally scans of every page of the databook and thinking "I should bookmark this", now i cant even find it with google search.. The Wiki stats are good but the wiki in general has a bad habit of adding their own personal opinion or thoughts and posing them as fact, so i take what it says with a grain of salt x__x

But that may be the only place we can get the stats so its kind of a catch 22
 

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Well, as far as I remember (because I saw the stats in the Databook some time ago) the stats in Wikia are correct.
 

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Well, as far as I remember (because I saw the stats in the Databook some time ago) the stats in Wikia are correct.

Fruit of a poisonous tree, there a good source, but i dont feel comfortable qouting the wiki in an argument x__x
 

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Fruit of a poisonous tree, there a good source, but i dont feel comfortable qouting the wiki in an argument x__x

Yeah, I kinda feel awkward too for that... :/ another disadventage is that the Databook is in Japanese, I can't read Japanese D:
 

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Sharingan wins hands down. The keep getting powerups. Have to wait till Hyuga show us everything.

Fair enough, but Kishi promised that next arc we will see some "much needed", his words, development for the Hyuga. So we wont have to wait long :p
 

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Its said in the manga that uchiha clan is one of the stronget clan along with senju. And all the uchihas have sharingan. So that means sharingan>byakugan

thats not true all Hyuga have Byakugan, uchiha have to activate theirs and each diff level
 

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Kishi's said that after that in the next arc we are going to see some development for the Hyuga, I am merely saying he has alot to work with."[/I]
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there's huge room to develop the Hyuga even more than the uchiha. They have supreme chakra control so it could be developed that they can use medical type jutsu to heal themselves, absorb chakra from others & jutsu, use chakra to increase their speed strength etc , firing powerful chakra blasts, possession astral travel like dan shaping chakra into weapons, maybe even able to look inward and open their gates increasing everything and all done without hand signs the potential is there for all this cause all it takes is control of chakra
 

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Fair enough, but Kishi promised that next arc we will see some "much needed", his words, development for the Hyuga. So we wont have to wait long :p
Link?

I don't recall Kishimoto saying that their was another arc after the 4th Shinobi War arc.
 

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Wasn't this told in an interview?

It was, in it he blatently says that the series will likely go on for another arc. I cant find the interview where he says the Hyuga would get more development though, thats just one of those things that you see/hear and then remember.

there's huge room to develop the Hyuga even more than the uchiha. They have supreme chakra control so it could be developed that they can use medical type jutsu to heal themselves, absorb chakra from others & jutsu, use chakra to increase their speed strength etc , firing powerful chakra blasts, possession astral travel like dan shaping chakra into weapons, maybe even able to look inward and open their gates increasing everything and all done without hand signs the potential is there for all this cause all it takes is control of chakra

Bolded the things I think are possbile, your right kishi has a way to go though. Cant wait to see what the Hyuga can do. BTW Hazashi already shown the capability to fire large chakra blast, with which he was able to knock back one of the Juubi's hands.

[spolier]http://94.23.34.161/manga/mangas/Naruto/614%20-%20To%20You/12.jpg[/spoiler]

Link?

I don't recall Kishimoto saying that their was another arc after the 4th Shinobi War arc.

 
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the sharingan is a mutation of the byakugan the rinnegan is a mutation of the sharingan.... they are all awesome but the rinnegan is the best
 
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