We have the strongest Uchiha in history, an Uchiha that has half his body made of Senju DNA and can use Mokuton, An Uchiha genius that entered the ANBU when he was 6, who may I add killed ALL the other Uchiha when he was a teenager... and another Uchiha Genius that has been fueled by hatred his entire life forcing him to seek out power... Are these the people we think of when we want to set the standard of the Uchiha? How about those 3 Uchiha from the Police that Itachi Solo'd? Or better yet the ENTIRE CLAN that was also solo'd by Itachi...
When we compare the Byakugan to the Sharingan I think we shouldn't turn this into a debate of who in the manga has proven to be stronger, because Madara and Sasuke are pretty much main villians. All I am saying is that Neji is the strongest Hyuga we have seen so far and even then we have seen very little from him, the ninja war was a great chance to showcase his skills but he dead saving Naruto's life... which has to count for something...
As I go on I want you to keep that in mind, we have not seen the true potential of the Hyuga, but we HAVE seen the greatest potential of the Uchiha.
I know you want to dehype the Uchiha to make the Hyuga look better, but all you are doing is helping, as it was two Uchiha that did the soloing. For one, the Uchiha that were killed weren't weak, it is simply that Itachi and Obito are strong. Even in death, they were considered the strongest Konoha had to offer.
This applies to Byakugan as well.
It has been shown several times that the Sharingan can be beaten, although it may allow you to see an attack coming that does not mean you can dodge it indefinitely. For instance, if you had eyes that could see a bullet coming, does that now mean you can dodge bullets? Lets see this in more detail though in what I like to refer to as a compilation of "Didnt see that coming" moments.
A perfect Jin beat it, how will a Hyuuga match that? I'm pretty sure that A riger bomb thing had sharingan beat it, since Susano'o tanked it. That third example once again was Sharingan countering the foe, not the other way around. Odd, that you'd use Deidara, when he got pwned by sharingan that entire fight and in a couple of panels after that one. I don't get the Danzo one, as sharingan kept Sasuke from getting filled with holes. Not only that, Danzo has a sharingan as well, which enabled him to resist Sasuke's genjutsu. Heck the guy was only alive thanks to Izanagi. Hell that last one was blatantly sharingan beating the odds.
The Sharingan lets you see everything, but if your reaction time is still human then it is moot. And thus we see that Taijutsu, being too fast for the Uchiha to react, is the true weakness of the Sharingan. And the Hyuga specialize in Taijutsu.
You've got to be kidding. Being too fast to react to is also Byakugan's weakness, hell everyone's weakness. You aren't seriously using a child Sasuke and saying just because he lost in taijutsu that the Hyuuga are better?
Countering MS/EMS Abilities
As far as abilities like Amaterasu and Kamui I wont go individually and explain how to beat each one. But what I will say on this is that MS Abilities use up ALOT of chakra and are molded within the eyes. Thus the Hyuga will see this technique coming a mile away, but also considering how much chakra using MS abilities takes up I am hard pressed to say that the Uchiha could use it more than 3-4 times before completely draining himself, but this large chakra consumption will also warn the Hyuga who will ofcourse be on the defensive and ready to escape whatever may be coming his way.
It will take some quick thinking to react accordingly and I will admit it may be difficult at times, but it is possible. And also, how many Uchiha have MS/EMS's? Not alot, ill plead the 5th on this until we see some Hyuga development.
You won't go into it because you can't. No Hyuuga has shown anything that can even come close to countering these abilities. Whether or not they can see it, they can do nothing, and whether or not it is taxing, they only need to use it once to win.
Countering the Susan'o
This is actually something easily done by a Hyuga, look at this scan:
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Its long I know but what it is meant to show is that Neji and other Hyuga can channel their chakra through things "created by chakra", much like Kidomaru's chakra strings and arrows; much like an Uchiha's Susan'o. And the lethality of it is also shown where Kidomaru's states that a number of his organs were damaged and that he could barely move, and even that statement was an understatement as he couldnt do anything to keep himself from falling and getting hit by neji mid-air.
One swing of a Susano'o blade ends all Hyuuga. This won't even work on Sasuke's because of Enton, and I'm almost convinced that it can't work against Susano'o at all.
I see, then he did indeed escape it, however, he was also trapped in it for some time. It doesn't change the fact, that it is incomparable, to a person doing the distrubtion himself, since my first point is indeed conclusive. In your scan Bee says, that it was due to the beast, since he couldn't move himself, being trapped in the illusion. Of course this is also Sasuke's tsukuyomi, had it been Itachi's, those few seconds in the jutsu had been enough to defeat him. We can't really just say that their tsukuyomi has the same strength, as stated by Danzou.
For my 3rd point, you are wrong. The definition of genjutsu is very clear. It doesn't inflict physical damage. The databook agrees with me, as Tsukuyomi is indeed labelled as a NINJUTSU. Perhaps it's a combination of both, however, it doesn't really change my point, that a Hyuga cannot change due to the 3 facts I mentioned, with number 1 being the major factor, as the Hyuga will be unable to move, and thus cannot distrubt his flow of chakra.
2) If the Hyuga is a genius he will overcome the Uchiha learning his fighting still, but on top of that the Uchiha cannot learn the Hyuga fighting style as they do not possess there KKG.
Indeed, but oh well, it's not really important. My point simply was, that a skilled sharingan wielder, should have no problem coping with the tajutsu. It's not like a Hyuga can just rush into close combat against a guy with a sharingan, due to their superiority in ninjutsu.
Many circumstances play an important role in such a fight, such as area and surroundings. Say in a forest, the Hyuga would have a clear advantage due their KKG, whereas open grounds, would make it harder to fight an uchiha.
3) I disagree on your point on whether the Susan'o is connected to the Uchiha, which is the same point almost everyone is making about the Susan'o, but this is all conjecture, no way to prove whether it is or isnt, we will have to wait for Kishi to explain this more.
Yeah, well I just watched last anime episode, where Gaara pulls Madara out of his Susanoo armor. This IMO makes it quite clear, that SUsanoo isn't in direct connection to him. Besides, how would you have them connected? With very thin chakra strings everywhere around it? It's not like the user needs to move to make Susanoo do his bidding.
4) I never said it would be easy lolI mean it would still come down to the ninja, I this thread I was merely trying to show that it is possible for the hyuga to overcome the Uchiha, which most seem to think is impossible. @__@
I never said that either. If you read again, I just said, that a Hyuga is a total counter to a puppet master xD
If I were to add one last thing, it is that I do think, that the Byakugan is superior to the sharingan, but not in 1 vs 1 battles. Besides this type of battle is ridicules, and it rarely happens. It's a problem as a whole, that we in the community tries to judge who is stronger, by paring them in 1 vs 1 situations, while these situations rarely occurs.
The Byakugan has much more usability in a team of shinobi. Say we have a 2 4-man teams fighting each other. They each has 3 equally skilled shinobi, and one has a Huyga and the other an Uchiha, both about same skill level. The Huyga would win, because of several reasons, where the Byakugans true advantage lies, namely scouting and thus finding your opponent before he finds you. This is the most crucial factor to any battle. Beside of that, the byakugan just has more usabilities in a team compare to the sharingan, which is more like a solo rider, although both can detect traps etc.
Sharingan > Byakugan. It's as simple as that. It has more powers, more potential and is well rounded, allowing genjutsu, ninjutsu and taijutsu to be perfected. Not a fanboy of Uchiha's (Only one I liked was young Obito) but it's a manga fact that you should accept and learn to deal with. /Thread
Yeah, well I just watched last anime episode, where Gaara pulls Madara out of his Susanoo armor. This IMO makes it quite clear, that SUsanoo isn't in direct connection to him. Besides, how would you have them connected? With very thin chakra strings everywhere around it? It's not like the user needs to move to make Susanoo do his bidding.
I can't agree with the immunity to genjutsu thing. While there is not doubt that they have at the very least more resistance to genjutsu than average ninja, breaking Tsukuyomi is just not there. Firstly, I don't believe Sasuke's genjutsu is Tsukuyomi. It has none of the properties that make a Tsukuyomi a Tsukuyomi, and has never been called Tsukuyomi. The only time he did use a name, it was called Sharingan Genjutsu. The grabbing the eye thing can't really be used as evidence, as he does that with regular 3 tomoe genjutsu, as seen when he used it on C. I also don't see how you can give a Perfect Jinchuriki feat to anyone else. What you said about closing the eyes seems plausible though.
I also don't agree with the true speed thing. It is already shown, way back when from Sasuke's fight with Lee, that seeing the attack means nothing if you don't have the speed to react. Kakashi with sharingan could see Sasuke's arrow coming and could not do anything. From this, I don't see how Bykugan
I don't agree, as physical speed and reflex are both necessary. They go hand in hand. Kakashi could react to Sasuke's arrow, and could see it coming, but could not physically dodge, because his physical speed was lacking.
Did you just give a Sharingan ability to Byakugan? Oh well. It is a plausible ability. I doubt it would be on the level of Sharingan however. If it was, the manga would have noted it to be.
It all falls apart right here. Firstly, I don't even get how you could compare A to Byakugan. That comparison makes no sense to me. Byakugan itself has no reflexes. It merely augments the user's reflex. And it can't even do this to the level of a sharingan because it's predictive ability is not on the level of sharingan at all. This is all on the ninja's body. Obviously it helps, but that is not enough. The fight between Sasuke and Lee made it clear that seeing something does not mean you can react to it. For one, the Sharingan's predictive ability surpasses Byakugan's. Sharingan could already see what was happening and react; that is one of its inherent abilities, yet Kakashi could not dodge Sasuke's arrow. Why? Because speed is necessary. Reflex alone won't help if you physically lack the speed. Byakugan cannot up speed. It can't augment bodily abilities at all. The thought of byakugan replicate A is ludicrous. You are basically saying they can get with reflex alone what A got with SPEED and reflex.
Here I just want to correct a few things and inform people a little bit about what we call the Byakuga:
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Kakashi clearly stated that this was a rumor. And Sharingan is descended from the Rinnegan via the elder son's doujutsu.
Kakashi clearly has no clue what the Rinnegan is. First the sage was an Uzumaki, now this. Sorry, but the Uzumaki thing makes more sense.
Fair enough. Although their is more to a doujutsu than that. It is also better at rinnegan at seeing chakra, but hell if I'd call it better based on that.
He also calls the Uchiha the Leafs most poweful clan. Both are lies as we know the Senju is the strongest the leaf has to offer.
Yet the Uchiha and Senju were considered the strongest historically. Of course what he said does have some merit, as when he said it there was no Uchiha and a only one confirmed Senju.
The Uchiha was also called the strongest, and the Senju was said to outclass them. When one hired Senju, those who opposed had no choice but to hire Uchiha, and vice versa. The Uchiha>Hyuuga. Deal with it. The Hyuuga only call themselves the strongest because of their are obviously no Uchiha and Senju.
1) Sasuke didnt use Tsukuyomi on C, he grabbed his left eye but he uses Tsukuyomi with his right which would indicate that he was not grabbing his eye/head because of using the genjutsu. The time that he used the Sharingan Genjutsu he had both eyes open, but an eye must be closed when he uses Tsukuyomi due to the eye strain, its simple, if an eye is close he is using Tsukuyomi, if both eyes are open then it is a genjutsu.
I didnt give perfect jinchuriki feats to anyone, the jinc explained it himself, he said in order to break the illusion you need help from someone to distrupt your chakra and that his tailed beast did it for him, he didnt say it was a special technique only for jincs he didnt say you need a TB to use it...
2) Not gonna reply to this, re-erad what I have said in both threads and if you still dont agree then im sorry, not gonna bother convincing someone that I dont think will understand.
3) I should have read all of your replies before I typed the above, I have decided not to reply to anything you have said.
No , the Sharingan has been shown to track fast opponent the Hyuga can't. ( Sasuke with 3 T Sharingan outclassed Naruto with Kyuubi chakra while Nejii had difficult time to keep up with him and lost in the end ).
Who told you he was aiming for Sasuke ? he was probably aiming for the background at first ( to not hurt Sasuke ) , then he aimed at Sasuke's wing ( with a near blind vision ). Because again he didn't want to kill him
As for the Amaterasu , it stopped naturally after consuming Sasuke's wing.
I proved that Zetsu's words can't be taken as fact.
Again he closed his eye just after the first Amaterasu.
He used Kawarimi with the Tentacle and transformed the Tentacle into a clone and that's thanks to Sasuke.
We have no proof that Kamui hurt its user , and i have examples for that :
Did Sasuke get burned when he wielded an Enton sword into his hand ? No
Did Susanoo get burned when it wielded an Enton arrow or an Enton sword ? No
And how did Obito get rid of the Amaterasu ? as far as i knows he don't have the Amaterasu ability to turn it down.
Mei and Hashirama are both Kage level , Hashirama solo everyone except current Madara , and Mei don't.
Sasuke have 4.5 in speed and Minato have 5 , does Sasuke come close to be as fast as Minato ? No Do you get my point ?
Will its obvious since you made this stupid thread...
hahaha , no
He can't , but he can know his fighting style by viewing his chakra system and thus know how to fight him.
Not going to reply to this either, nothing new has been brought to the debate, I say something, you dismiss it, rinse-repeat. As I said before I agree to disagree.
I see, then he did indeed escape it, however, he was also trapped in it for some time. It doesn't change the fact, that it is incomparable, to a person doing the distrubtion himself, since my first point is indeed conclusive. In your scan Bee says, that it was due to the beast, since he couldn't move himself, being trapped in the illusion. Of course this is also Sasuke's tsukuyomi, had it been Itachi's, those few seconds in the jutsu had been enough to defeat him. We can't really just say that their tsukuyomi has the same strength, as stated by Danzou.
For my 3rd point, you are wrong. The definition of genjutsu is very clear. It doesn't inflict physical damage. The databook agrees with me, as Tsukuyomi is indeed labelled as a NINJUTSU. Perhaps it's a combination of both, however, it doesn't really change my point, that a Hyuga cannot change due to the 3 facts I mentioned, with number 1 being the major factor, as the Hyuga will be unable to move, and thus cannot distrubt his flow of chakra.
Indeed, but oh well, it's not really important. My point simply was, that a skilled sharingan wielder, should have no problem coping with the tajutsu. It's not like a Hyuga can just rush into close combat against a guy with a sharingan, due to their superiority in ninjutsu.
Many circumstances play an important role in such a fight, such as area and surroundings. Say in a forest, the Hyuga would have a clear advantage due their KKG, whereas open grounds, would make it harder to fight an uchiha.
Yeah, well I just watched last anime episode, where Gaara pulls Madara out of his Susanoo armor. This IMO makes it quite clear, that SUsanoo isn't in direct connection to him. Besides, how would you have them connected? With very thin chakra strings everywhere around it? It's not like the user needs to move to make Susanoo do his bidding.
I never said that either. If you read again, I just said, that a Hyuga is a total counter to a puppet master xD
If I were to add one last thing, it is that I do think, that the Byakugan is superior to the sharingan, but not in 1 vs 1 battles. Besides this type of battle is ridicules, and it rarely happens. It's a problem as a whole, that we in the community tries to judge who is stronger, by paring them in 1 vs 1 situations, while these situations rarely occurs.
The Byakugan has much more usability in a team of shinobi. Say we have a 2 4-man teams fighting each other. They each has 3 equally skilled shinobi, and one has a Huyga and the other an Uchiha, both about same skill level. The Huyga would win, because of several reasons, where the Byakugans true advantage lies, namely scouting and thus finding your opponent before he finds you. This is the most crucial factor to any battle. Beside of that, the byakugan just has more usabilities in a team compare to the sharingan, which is more like a solo rider, although both can detect traps etc.
I see, then he did indeed escape it, however, he was also trapped in it for some time. It doesn't change the fact, that it is incomparable, to a person doing the distrubtion himself, since my first point is indeed conclusive. In your scan Bee says, that it was due to the beast, since he couldn't move himself, being trapped in the illusion. Of course this is also Sasuke's tsukuyomi, had it been Itachi's, those few seconds in the jutsu had been enough to defeat him. We can't really just say that their tsukuyomi has the same strength, as stated by Danzou.
For my 3rd point, you are wrong. The definition of genjutsu is very clear. It doesn't inflict physical damage. The databook agrees with me, as Tsukuyomi is indeed labelled as a NINJUTSU. Perhaps it's a combination of both, however, it doesn't really change my point, that a Hyuga cannot change due to the 3 facts I mentioned, with number 1 being the major factor, as the Hyuga will be unable to move, and thus cannot distrubt his flow of chakra.
Not going to argue with this, ive given you proof from manga that Tsukuyomi is a genjutsu, you disagree, cant do anything about that. Not going to argue the killer bee thing either, Bee himself says that to break genjutsu you need to have a partner to distrupt your chakra, that is all, he never mentions that a tailed beast doing this or being a jinc makes it any better or more efficient. Jiraiya also states that one can do the distrupting ones self if you have good chakra control. Lastly, fine, Itach Tsukuyomi is unbreakable and undefeatable, you win... good thing he is dead.
Yeah, well I just watched last anime episode, where Gaara pulls Madara out of his Susanoo armor. This IMO makes it quite clear, that SUsanoo isn't in direct connection to him. Besides, how would you have them connected? With very thin chakra strings everywhere around it? It's not like the user needs to move to make Susanoo do his bidding.
Connected by Chakra does not = Connected Physically.
Here we see that Neji was able to surround himself in chakra as well, and yet GASP the arrow was able to move through said chakra? Does that mean that Neji was not connected to the Chakra he was emitting? Ofcourse not, it just means that connected via chakra and connected physically is not the same thing.
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If I were to add one last thing, it is that I do think, that the Byakugan is superior to the sharingan, but not in 1 vs 1 battles. Besides this type of battle is ridicules, and it rarely happens. It's a problem as a whole, that we in the community tries to judge who is stronger, by paring them in 1 vs 1 situations, while these situations rarely occurs.
The Byakugan has much more usability in a team of shinobi. Say we have a 2 4-man teams fighting each other...
Well pretty much everyone agree's with that statement. But what I am saying is that in a 1v1 fight the Byakugan has the capability to surpass the Uchiha.
Alot of people want to twist facts and purposely missinterpret/completely ignore scans, which kishi felt relevant enough to create, just so that they can argue against the idea I am proposing... not saying that your doing any of that because youve been really open minded although I can tell your not completely on my side, but others not so much x__x
Alot of people want to twist facts and purposely missinterpret/completely ignore scans, which kishi felt relevant enough to create, just so that they can argue against the idea I am proposing... not saying that your doing any of that because youve been really open minded although I can tell your not completely on my side, but others not so much x__x
It's just obvious, that what we have seen shinobi with sharingan (Kakashi, Obito, Sasuke, Itachi, Madara, Danzou, etc.) accomplish is just incomparable to the little acts, we have seen from people with Byakugan. This alone makes it an inevitable fact for most people (myself included), that the sharingan is probably superior to the Byakugan in pure power.
However, as I wrote in the end, the Narutoverse is much more than just power. Some jutsu are made for other purpose than fighting, and those are often the crucial ones. It's just that the current war is being fought so many against so little, and yet they are actually fighting. In the past numbers and tactics were more important, but now all logic has just been destroyed, and most people have difficulties handling that.
But even if the byakugan beats the sharingan in a 1 vs 1, if you take 100 very different opponents and matches them with each, I am quite sure, that the sharingan wielder, will have a much higher winning rate
ABC logic doesn't always work *_* but a lot of people also fail to accept that, which may also be why, they complain so much, and thus wont accept byakugan>sharingan. Anyway, I still think some of the "evidence" you presented can be understood in different ways, but lets leave it with that.
It's just obvious, that what we have seen shinobi with sharingan (Kakashi, Obito, Sasuke, Itachi, Madara, Danzou, etc.) accomplish is just incomparable to the little acts, we have seen from people with Byakugan. This alone makes it an inevitable fact for most people (myself included), that the sharingan is probably superior to the Byakugan in pure power.
You say this as if the Hyuga have had any kind of development? We litterally havent seen anything from them since the Chunnin arc...
I need to start responding to your comments first, because I answer others and read PM's and get frustrated at how ignorant people are and it carries over to everyone I reply to -__-,
There is a big difference between thinking you corrected points and actually doing so. Look, you openly believe that only 10-12 people in the Naruto-verse can defeat Sasukes, and thats just his Amaterasu. This concept is lunacy to me, you have to understand that I cant argue with someone who believes this. Just like you wouldnt waste your time arguing with someone who thinks their is no such thing as electricity.
There is a big difference between thinking you corrected points and actually doing so. Look, you openly believe that only 10-12 people in the Naruto-verse can defeat Sasukes, and thats just his Amaterasu. This concept is lunacy to me, you have to understand that I cant argue with someone who believes this. Just like you wouldnt waste your time arguing with someone who thinks their is no such thing as electricity.
That's the truth , you don't want to admit it because you're a Sasuke hater , anyway i'm done with you, continue living in your dream where EMS Sasuke can be beaten by everyone in the show.
That's the truth , you don't want to admit it because you're a Sasuke hater , anyway i'm done with you, continue living in your dream where EMS Sasuke can be beaten by everyone in the show.
You should learn to deal with manga facts... EMS Sasuke can't even be touched by any Hyuga.
Comparing any Hyuga we have seen so far to an Uchiha who reached EMS level is like comparing Frieza to SSJ2. There's no point in doing it. I agree that Hyuga have a lot of potential, but nowhere as much as Uchihas. And there really are only 10-15 Ninjas in Naruto-verse that could defeat Sasuke.
1.So6P
2.Madara
3.Hashirama
4.SM Kabuto
5.Itachi
6.Minato
7.Obito
8.Tobirama
9.BM Naruto (50% 50%)
10. Kakashi (He would have already got him with Kamui if not for Obito)
11.Tsunade (If she can break his Susano)
12. Gaara (If they are in desert )
13. Orochimaru (If he gets SM or Sharingan)
14. Nagato (Maybe )
You should learn to deal with manga facts... EMS Sasuke can't even be touched by any Hyuga.
Comparing any Hyuga we have seen so far to an Uchiha who reached EMS level is like comparing Frieza to SSJ2. There's no point in doing it. I agree that Hyuga have a lot of potential, but nowhere as much as Uchihas. And there really are only 10-15 Ninjas in Naruto-verse that could defeat Sasuke.
1.So6P
2.Madara
3.Hashirama
4.SM Kabuto
5.Itachi
6.Minato
7.Obito
8.Tobirama
9.BM Naruto (50% 50%)
10. Kakashi (He would have already got him with Kamui if not for Obito)
11.Tsunade (If she can break his Susano)
12. Gaara (If they are in desert )
13. Orochimaru (If he gets SM or Sharingan)
14. Nagato (Maybe )
I ignored your first point but it seems that your not going to stop posting until I acknowledge you, no matter how wrong you are..
Definition of a fact: something that has really occurred or is actually the case. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability, that is whether it can be proven to correspond to experience. [
Yet another vague statement followed but a list based completely on your own personal opinion.
I ignored your first post because it was the equivalent of walking into a Coke convention and screaming out "Pepsi taste better" then walking away. You've done absolutely nothing to add or take away from my or anyone's arguments, the only thing you did was muddy things with your own bias and misinformed opinions.
As everyone here is doing some analysis mainly based on assumptions, there is no way people can tell themselves they are right or wrong... they are not stating facts.
- For example... "Uchiha Clan Members can't defeat a Hyuuga".
- For example... "Uchiha Clan Members can't be defeated by a Hyuuga".
LOL why don't we create characters and do some rpg battles on the role forum so we can see how much results can we get from these battles?
Let's go straight to it, I already defeated two EMS Uchiha simultaneously in other forum, me using a Hyuuga.
As everyone here is doing some analysis mainly based on assumptions, there is no way people can tell themselves they are right or wrong... they are not stating facts.
- For example... "Uchiha Clan Members can't defeat a Hyuuga".
- For example... "Uchiha Clan Members can't be defeated by a Hyuuga".
LOL why don't we create characters and do some rpg battles on the role forum so we can see how much results can we get from these battles?
Let's go straight to it, I already defeated two EMS Uchiha simultaneously in other forum, me using a Hyuuga.
Not to be an ass or self righteous but in regards to this "Uchiha Clan Members can't defeat a Hyuuga" i would like to qoute what I said in my conclusion.
"I am not trying to convince everyone that the Byakugan is better than the Sharingan, or even that the Hyuga are better than the Uchiha, although one could make a good argument for said things. I am merely trying to showcase the raw potential that the Byakugan has and its many implication.
Kishi's said that after that in the next arc we are going to see some development for the Hyuga, I am merely saying he has alot to work with."
I feel as though I have been nothing but modest throughout this entire thing, I never made any bold claims about the Hyuga being stronger than the Uchiha and go out of my way to let people know thats not what I am saying. But regardless Fan Boys have drawn their own conclusions.
I just edited the intro to further reflect the conclusion, I just realized that 90% of the Uchiha fan boys didnt even get that far before their rage compelled them to retaliate. x__x
As everyone here is doing some analysis mainly based on assumptions, there is no way people can tell themselves they are right or wrong... they are not stating facts.
- For example... "Uchiha Clan Members can't defeat a Hyuuga".
- For example... "Uchiha Clan Members can't be defeated by a Hyuuga".
LOL why don't we create characters and do some rpg battles on the role forum so we can see how much results can we get from these battles?
Let's go straight to it, I already defeated two EMS Uchiha simultaneously in other forum, me using a Hyuuga.
And to the other guy, I do not need your acknowledgment, I was merely stating a fact ^.^ You are allowed to have your own opinion, though it's not gonna change the Manga facts, no matter how much you want it too
And to the other guy, I do not need your acknowledgment, I was merely stating a fact ^.^ You are allowed to have your own opinion, though it's not gonna change the Manga facts, no matter how much you want it too
Give me a scan that proves Madara can beat Konohamaru ? If you cannot I will claim that Konohamaru > Madara.
It's logic using Manga facts. EMS Sasuke has Enton release, Susano, Some sort of Genjutsu that even worked on Danzo who had a sharingan himself. He is fast enough to keep up with Bee and A, A being praised as one of the fastest Ninja. He can hold his own against Kages. He is fighting along side some of the most powerful Ninjas in Narutoverse - 4 Hokage and Naruto. Please tell me how a Hyuga, who aren't even on the level high enough to be actively participating in a battle against Obito can own him. And don't use heavenly rotation and 64 palms as a solution to everything because if it was really that almighty Neji would of have used it to deflect the branches, and 64 palms is nowhere near the speed that A has.
Like last few chapters showed you, raw speed and strength > Ninjutsu. Sasuke might have Susano, Amaterasu and Genjutsu but it's useless against someone as fast and strong like Obito. I don't think you people understand this but Sasuke and Naruto are on completely different level than rest of Konoha. And while Hyuga have some outstanding defenses, they are nothing compared to raw speed and power of Kage level Ninja.
