Need advice from both Atheists and believers

[Cornson]

I'll give you an interesting way to look at it.
If you believe in God, and he's fake, then there is no Hell.
If you're an Atheist, and God is real, then you probably aren't going to Heaven.
You see what I'm getting at?

I do, its called pascals wager.

but led me ask you this:

which God, and which hell?

there are litterly thousands of different gods, so how do you know that you believe in the right one? what if beliving in the abrahamic god will send you strait to hell?

I'm not an atheist. Lets keep it at new age spiritual.

really? (Though you was) So you do believe in a god?

I wouldn't categorize myself with an atheist though, just for my own reason. That i will not share.

what you will or will not categorize yourself as, dosen't have anything to do with you being a atheist or not, it all comes down to what you believe in (or what you do not belive in)

if you believe in a God you are a Theist.

if you do not belive in any god or gods you are a Atheist.

It's litterly that simple, its a easy yes or no question.

 

[Unbiased King]

Posted the same twice but back to the topic everyone on the internet acts like that they're just childish losers who act tough behind a computer screen I'm talking about real life here in real life an atheist wouldn't bash you for not believing in god he wouldn't care he would go on with his life. Now a theist on the other hand? They'll judge you and if not openly you know for a fact they'll do it in their heads

The same could be said about both.

On my college campus, there was a conference of all student clubs that had to do with philosophy or spirituality of some sort, just to discuss business and vision. The Atheist club representatives that were present decided since the second they walked in to bash all the religious clubs by openly calling them idiots and their religions a fairy-tale. In the end when they were asked to leave, they refused and had to get man-handled out of the conference.

Douchebagism is subject to all schools of thought and walks of life. I'm not saying all Atheists are jerks, and I'm not saying that all Theists are saints.

 

[Cornson]

Follow gods teachings and you will go to paradise in the afterlife.

okay, ill stop working on saturdays and start killing me some heathens then.

 

[Unbiased King]

okay, ill stop working on saturdays and start killing me some heathens then.

Talking about Deuteronomy 17? I suggest you read Matthew 5:17. Or are you satisfied hiding from the truth whenever it serves to make you look good?

 

[Stark]

Wow nice food for thought
Can you tell me what it was if it's too personal I understand but if it's something that is truly the work of a miracle then even though it didn't happen to me I might actually turn back into religin

Freedom is happiness but when it comes to religion they are very two different things it seems

I pm'd you my story

 

[Darthlawsuit]

How did god get there? Who cares, we will never figure that out so why worry about it. He exists and you can tap into his knowledge if you know how to.

Why should he help the starving people in Africa? He already provided them with all the means to live and be self sufficient and yet they still will not work together to make sure everyone has enough food and manage their own populations. The only way god could help them would be to take away their free-will and enslave them so they make the right decisions, however that is taboo for god so he will not do such a thing. Same thing with the Jews, Hitler said outright he was going to slaughter the Jews and they never believed it. Hitler started taking away their arms and ability to protect themselves and they let it happen. Then he started loading them into trains and they still didn't fight back. They had so many opportunities to stop the holocaust but they chose not to and that was the result of their bad choices. It is not God's job to protect you, it is your job to protect yourself as he gave you the means and the intelligence to do so.

Lets just say that the bible is the word of humans, not god. If you want to understand God look at the universe he created, look at Earth. Earth and everything in this universe is his creation. If you understand Earth and nature then you will understand god. Every action you do or do not do has a consequence. If you want to jump off a bridge to your death it is your right to do so, if you want to push another person off a bridge to their death then you are violating their rights to live which is a crime against them you cannot repent for. If you have consensual *** with a woman then there is nothing wrong with it, if you rape a woman you are violating her in so many ways; however you may also have a baby for which you must account for. Also nothing in the Bible says anything against Joints so I don't know how that could be a sin even in your religion <_<;;

Back in Jesus's time Weed would be used as a painkiller/medicine so anyone that tells you that it is a sin is bullshitting you. Weed has a purpose, that is why it was created. If we are using it correctly or abusing it is the question. Also the pope has no rights to absolve people from sin, only the one who committed those sins may try to repent for it and paying money to another human does not remove it (maby in their minds). If you kill someone and you want to repent for it then you must save other people's lives.

Yeah, God created evolution... People who have no desire to listen to god just plug their ears with a book and will never be close to him. However the flood was correct. There were 2 great floods. the 1st rose the sea level 10M and flooded ancient cities across the world. The 2nd was when a giant glacier dam in Canada burst and flooded the Atlantic, causing the Mediterranean and much of Europe to become flooded for a VERY LONG time (It very well may have been 30 days XD). Noah may have built a boat but not as grand as is mentioned.

Atheist has been friends with a Christian for years - Oh you believe in god? I don't but I'm sure we can still be friends
Christian finds out close friend is Atheist- OMG DUDE GTFO YOU'RE SICK blah blah it's a shame really when their book says it's a sin to judge ironic huh

Wow a tolerant Atheist, I see very few of those around here. Our Atheists are as bad as the people who have signs hanging up saying "you are going to hell", except they say "how can you call yourself intelligent when you believe in a flying spaghetti monster". -_-;;

 

[YowYan]

I do, its called pascals wager.

but led me ask you this:

which God, and which hell?

there are litterly thousands of different gods, so how do you know that you believe in the right one? what if beliving in the abrahamic god will send you strait to hell?



really? (Though you was) So you do believe in a god?



what you will or will not categorize yourself as, dosen't have anything to do with you being a atheist or not, it all comes down to what you believe in (or what you do not belive in)

if you believe in a God you are a Theist.

if you do not belive in any god or gods you are a Atheist.

It's litterly that simple, its a easy yes or no question.

I don't 'believe' actually. I only see possibility in what seems the most logical explanation of what ppl call god/divine presence/the source/the universe. Which, to me, is that we ourselves are the universe in a drop. Not inferior and external to it.

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

Hm at the moment idk but I recommend you guys watching this video [video=youtube;Kkt9OU-9h0E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkt9OU-9h0E[/video]

Lol looks like tobi's mask :I

 

[oShux]

How did god get there? Who cares, we will never figure that out so why worry about it. He exists and you can tap into his knowledge if you know how to.

Why should he help the starving people in Africa? He already provided them with all the means to live and be self sufficient and yet they still will not work together to make sure everyone has enough food and manage their own populations. The only way god could help them would be to take away their free-will and enslave them so they make the right decisions, however that is taboo for god so he will not do such a thing. Same thing with the Jews, Hitler said outright he was going to slaughter the Jews and they never believed it. Hitler started taking away their arms and ability to protect themselves and they let it happen. Then he started loading them into trains and they still didn't fight back. They had so many opportunities to stop the holocaust but they chose not to and that was the result of their bad choices. It is not God's job to protect you, it is your job to protect yourself as he gave you the means and the intelligence to do so.

Lets just say that the bible is the word of humans, not god. If you want to understand God look at the universe he created, look at Earth. Earth and everything in this universe is his creation. If you understand Earth and nature then you will understand god. Every action you do or do not do has a consequence. If you want to jump off a bridge to your death it is your right to do so, if you want to push another person off a bridge to their death then you are violating their rights to live which is a crime against them you cannot repent for. If you have consensual *** with a woman then there is nothing wrong with it, if you rape a woman you are violating her in so many ways; however you may also have a baby for which you must account for. Also nothing in the Bible says anything against Joints so I don't know how that could be a sin even in your religion <_<;;

Back in Jesus's time Weed would be used as a painkiller/medicine so anyone that tells you that it is a sin is bullshitting you. Weed has a purpose, that is why it was created. If we are using it correctly or abusing it is the question. Also the pope has no rights to absolve people from sin, only the one who committed those sins may try to repent for it and paying money to another human does not remove it (maby in their minds). If you kill someone and you want to repent for it then you must save other people's lives.

Yeah, God created evolution... People who have no desire to listen to god just plug their ears with a book and will never be close to him. However the flood was correct. There were 2 great floods. the 1st rose the sea level 10M and flooded ancient cities across the world. The 2nd was when a giant glacier dam in Canada burst and flooded the Atlantic, causing the Mediterranean and much of Europe to become flooded for a VERY LONG time (It very well may have been 30 days XD). Noah may have built a boat but not as grand as is mentioned.


Wow a tolerant Atheist, I see very few of those around here. Our Atheists are as bad as the people who have signs hanging up saying "you are going to hell", except they say "how can you call yourself intelligent when you believe in a flying spaghetti monster". -_-;;

Thats Atheist on the internet I'm talking about real life everyone on the internet is a douche bag.^

I had no idea it was taboo for god to guide humans to the right path to stop their children from starving to death. Good to know. And as for the Jews it's cause they thought it was impossible for Hitler to do so. Honestly I wouldn't have wanted to leave my home,friends, belongings cause of one mans threat. It's hard to believe that the Jew's were being exterminated while the whole world watched, they just thought it would be impossible which I can understand. And another thing, the Jews didn't fight back because they were terrorized prior to the events of the trains, and the death camps, they were scared they lost their hope. If you saw someone get killed over not working "fast" enough then you would be scared out of your ass too. These men who took them were ruthless babies were thrown in the air and used as target practice. They were monsters so of course the Jews were scared. The Jews took Hitlers threats like how the Americans took that little Korean dude's threat to bomb America as a joke. And btw I can tell you know nothing about history cause the Nazi's actually came into the Jew's homes and used them for their military crap services and they were nice and polite everyone thought to themselves "See nothing's gonna happen look how nice these guys are, there's no way they're our enemies"

 

[Darthlawsuit]

Thats Atheist on the internet I'm talking about real life everyone on the internet is a douche bag.^

I had no idea it was taboo for god to guide humans to the right path to stop their children from starving to death. Good to know. And as for the Jews it's cause they thought it was impossible for Hitler to do so. Honestly I wouldn't have wanted to leave my home,friends, belongings cause of one mans threat. It's hard to believe that the Jew's were being exterminated while the whole world watched, they just thought it would be impossible which I can understand. And another thing, the Jews didn't fight back because they were terrorized prior to the events of the trains, and the death camps, they were scared they lost their hope. If you saw someone get killed over not working "fast" enough then you would be scared out of your ass too. These men who took them were ruthless babies were thrown in the air and used as target practice. They were monsters so of course the Jews were scared. The Jews took Hitlers threats like how the Americans took that little Korean dude's threat to bomb America as a joke. And btw I can tell you know nothing about history cause the Nazi's actually came into the Jew's homes and used them for their military crap services and they were nice and polite everyone thought to themselves "See nothing's gonna happen look how nice these guys are, there's no way they're our enemies"

God does guide us. We also ignore his guidance to follow the next smooth talker's bad ideas. He cannot FORCE us to listen or else he would take away our mind and make us puppets. Everything god does has an effect and a reaction. When we are talking about someone who can control the universe you have to think in a much broader sense, he can't just pick up bad people and toss then into space.

No, they fooled themselves into thinking it was impossible to do. They had a gut feeling Hitler might be able to do such a thing but choose to ignore it. Those that did try to do something had no support and was slaughtered. God cannot make you act, he can only tell you what needs to be done. Actually most of the world didn't know about the exterminations until they entered Germany, our leaders heard rumors but didn't believe them.

I would attack them, no question about it. If I die then I die as a FREEMAN like my ancestors. I WILL NEVER BECOME A SLAVE. The Jews in Russia did not surrender and they fought back quite successfully. They devastated the German supply lines and local occupation troops. They stopped so much supplies from reaching the front lines they may have won the war.

I know far more about History than you do. How the Jews were disarmed was progressive. They first hit the idiots that would willingly turn in their guns then got more restrictive from there. Before long they were disarming every Jew for mental illnesses.

 

[Hexuze]

Alright, let's be honest what do most people pray for? Good fortune, money, better lifestyle and other materialistic things (I know people pray for other stuff that are much more IMPORTANT than what I just listed but everyone at least prayed for some of those stuff at least once.

Here the thing is and I talk from experience about this, is that when you pray for these stuff you start to believe that God will HELP you achieve/get these goals/materialistic thing, which can refrain someone from working to their full potential to achieve/get what they desire. But I believe in hard work & miracles do come to people who work hard. (All you OP fans should know who said it )

Anyways I'm just like you, I am confused. I consider myself as between an atheist and believer.


That's just my thoughts.

 

[Alice in Noodleland]

No one can give the exact answer you were seeking my friend.

You're young. Many things can still happen, There were thousands of people you will meet, and hundreds of places you will see that can influence your views not only on spiritual but many other aspects in your life.

One thing I just want you to remember , that whatever happens, whatever answer you found. Humanity is the best Religion.

 

[YowYan]

No one can give the exact answer you were seeking my friend.

You're young. Many things can still happen, There were thousands of people you will meet, and hundreds of places you will see that can influence your views not only on spiritual but many other aspects in your life.

One thing I just want you to remember , that whatever happens, whatever answer you found. Humanity is the best Religion.

At the bolded: You mean 'kindness'? Sounds better in this case ;p

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[oShux]

God does guide us. We also ignore his guidance to follow the next smooth talker's bad ideas. He cannot FORCE us to listen or else he would take away our mind and make us puppets. Everything god does has an effect and a reaction. When we are talking about someone who can control the universe you have to think in a much broader sense, he can't just pick up bad people and toss then into space.

No, they fooled themselves into thinking it was impossible to do. They had a gut feeling Hitler might be able to do such a thing but choose to ignore it. Those that did try to do something had no support and was slaughtered. God cannot make you act, he can only tell you what needs to be done. Actually most of the world didn't know about the exterminations until they entered Germany, our leaders heard rumors but didn't believe them.

I would attack them, no question about it. If I die then I die as a FREEMAN like my ancestors. I WILL NEVER BECOME A SLAVE. The Jews in Russia did not surrender and they fought back quite successfully. They devastated the German supply lines and local occupation troops. They stopped so much supplies from reaching the front lines they may have won the war.

I know far more about History than you do. How the Jews were disarmed was progressive. They first hit the idiots that would willingly turn in their guns then got more restrictive from there. Before long they were disarming every Jew for mental illnesses.

Lmfaoo I'm done arguing with you, you're too stubborn. You basically said god allowed the holocaust cause the Jews were too scared to react in Germany? And how can God control the universe? I won't lie there certain unexplained things out there like the perfect alignment of the planets and the sun but where's the proof all I ask if that your god shows me a sign even if he visits me in a dream or if he answers one of my prayers (For me to be reunited with someone special and no they aren't dead things are just complicated at the moment) or the 7 wonders of the world, but still all I ask if that he shows me a sign and I'll turn into one of the most hated people on earth... Jehova witness.

No one can give the exact answer you were seeking my friend.

You're young. Many things can still happen, There were thousands of people you will meet, and hundreds of places you will see that can influence your views not only on spiritual but many other aspects in your life.

One thing I just want you to remember , that whatever happens, whatever answer you found. Humanity is the best Religion.

At the bolded: You mean 'kindness'? Sounds better in this case ;p

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You two actually helped me a little thanks.

 

[Darthlawsuit]

Lmfaoo I'm done arguing with you, you're too stubborn. You basically said god allowed the holocaust cause the Jews were too scared to react in Germany? And how can God control the universe? I won't lie there certain unexplained things out there like the perfect alignment of the planets and the sun but where's the proof all I ask if that your god shows me a sign even if he visits me in a dream or if he answers one of my prayers (For me to be reunited with someone special and no they aren't dead things are just complicated at the moment) or the 7 wonders of the world, but still all I ask if that he shows me a sign and I'll turn into one of the most hated people on earth... Jehova witness.

You two actually helped me a little thanks.

God allowed people to make their own choices, they made bad ones and paid the price for it. He made them all aware of what was going on and put doubt and worry in their minds but they ignored it. God gave them all warnings and gut feelings about the situation but they ignored it. Some of them knew something was wrong and did leave the country and they lived.

When I say "control" I mean he sets the laws of this universe and creates matter in it, influences matter to group up and form into planets and suns. They are in perfect alignment due to gravity. He also tries to help all of his creations but he can only offer suggestions and hints, it is up to them if they follow it or not. If a person stops is unwilling to listen to him then they will ignore him completely and will not be able to "hear" him.

When you say "visit you in a dream" do you mean you imagined meeting him or do you mean him actually communicating with you? Many people have a fairytale version of god that they believe in that makes for better stories. So you want god to puppet the person you want to be with just so you can be with them again, make them into nothing more than a mindless doll? He can give them a suggestion but it is up to them weather they listen to it or completely ignore it, just as he could give you a suggestion on the matter and you can listen to it or completely ignore it. If your not willing to listen to him then you are on your own to fix this problem.

The 7 wonders of the world are just random chance, not really hand crafted by him. Yeah.... Don't become a Jahova they are delusional.

 

[Οdin]

'God' is mother nature, not some man/woman hovering on a flying carpet who will send a lightning bolt up your ass for not believing in him/her. u_u

 

[l Forgotten l]

I do, its called pascals wager.

but led me ask you this:

which God, and which hell?

there are litterly thousands of different gods, so how do you know that you believe in the right one? what if beliving in the abrahamic god will send you strait to hell?



really? (Though you was) So you do believe in a god?



what you will or will not categorize yourself as, dosen't have anything to do with you being a atheist or not, it all comes down to what you believe in (or what you do not belive in)

if you believe in a God you are a Theist.

if you do not belive in any god or gods you are a Atheist.

It's litterly that simple, its a easy yes or no question.

Like i said, I wouldn't categorize myself with an atheist for my own personal reason.

I use to be religious, but its not like i stopped cause i had some super tragic moment in my life or anything.
I don't have any grudge against the religion i use to believe in or anything. I don't have a problem with religion at all to be honest.
Its hard for me to explain why i don't believe but i can say peer pressure played a role in it. Just to be honest.
I rather not get deep into my beliefs like that.

I just wouldn't categorize myself with an atheist, that's all.



I also want to say because i have always seen things like this.
If whatever god you believe in, i seriously hope he never shows himself. Ever.
Because, why? He shouldn't have to.
You either believe in him or you don't.

 

[Hexuze]

Like i said, I wouldn't categorize myself with an atheist for my own personal reason.

I use to be religious, but its not like i stopped cause i had some super tragic moment in my life or anything.
I don't have any grudge against the religion i use to believe in or anything. I don't have a problem with religion at all to be honest.
Its hard for me to explain why i don't believe but i can say peer pressure played a role in it. Just to be honest.
I rather not get deep into my beliefs like that.

I just wouldn't categorize myself with an atheist, that's all.



I also want to say because i have always seen things like this.
If whatever god you believe in, i seriously hope he never shows himself. Ever.
Because, why? He shouldn't have to.
You either believe in him or you don't.

Or you're confused.

 

[l Forgotten l]

What if he doesn't show himself because he wants to know who will believe in him regardless or who is going to stop?
O_O
oh snap!.

Or you're confused.

Your right.... if your confused also .

 

[zeezzay]

I believe in God. I am muslim I wore the headscarf my mother and my family encouraged me not islam is our religion but headscarf is not accepted in our culture. Any way wearing the headscarf didnt make me any better muslim or worse it just I wore it because of my religion and another reason to save me time from doing my hair rly nicely. Why would I do my hair nicely every day is to impress people epically guys. Who want nothing to do with except rly use me (i am not saying all guys are like that).I always wonder myself is God rly real well no one can prove it except our own believe rly. A lot of thing stated by God is actually rly good for ourselves. Every one wants good even though they may not like it. For example school is there our parents encourage us to get education because they love us they tell us go to school everyday. Even though we might not like school. Same God loves us that's why for example God tells us to have *** after marriage we might not like it but it is better for us. Now people who *** before marriage are not bad people I have many friends that had *** before marriage and they are rly rly nice but that doesn't mean I have to follow them or they have to follow what I do. When I mean better I mean there is less chance of person getting disease, or unwanted pregnancy or incase of girl getting hurt emotionally (guy uses her in bed). When u say childeren in Africa are starving well that's the government to blame that but their money only in war or people in western society are to blame get product from their mother land eg bananas or 1.40 they get 1 cent while the rest 1.39 goes to the company whined by western person. This why to start fighting for fair trade and those childeren. How can u say ppl in Africa suffering people every where suffer rich kid that has every type food clothes car house but is bullied in school and later sucide him/her self is suffering too. Someone child died in crash that was just starting college or someone who could walk is now on wheel chair. Every one suffers in life trust me there is no such thing is lucky person that has everything. Life is all big test we need to fight it I guess. We can just except to win trophy in a tennis match asking God. God ask us to train hard and work hard then is worth while asking God to help us win a match. Is rly ur choice dude what you want religion can never be forced on any one. I just want to ask u one think who will u pray to if someone special in ur life is hurt. In the end is ur choice remember ur not bad person because u do something is ow good ur heart is and good u are as a person that's what pleases God the most in the end. I guess I believe in God because God was there for me even when the time I felt God wasn't but I still believed God was with me