Need advice from both Atheists and believers

[Hunty]

I'm 19 and an Atheist.

 

[Transcendence]

I'm agnostic, so I'm in between but leaning more to the no God spectrum. I went through something similar that you went through, but last year. I started getting really in to science in general and it fascinated me. It at least explains things. Saying it is "God's will" is nothing more than an excuse. The amount of injustice that goes on in the world basically invalidates what people think God stands for. They use the "God's will excuse" but it is nothing more than a fallacy. If there was a truly omnipotent being that created everything, there wouldn't be as much poverty, starvation, etc.

EDIT: I'm 17.

 

[oShux]

An interesting outlook, but I said "Probably". I don't know Religion as much as I use too, but I'm just giving you a different way too look at it.

Yea I know it's good food for thought but still

I'm 19 and an Atheist.

Why though? What do you think about the whole religion vs atheist topic?

 

[oShux]

I'm agnostic, so I'm in between but leaning more to the no God spectrum. I went through something similar that you went through, but last year. I started getting really in to science in general and it fascinated me. It at least explains things. Saying it is "God's will" is nothing more than an excuse. The amount of injustice that goes on in the world basically invalidates what people think God stands for. They use the "God's will excuse" but it is nothing more than a fallacy. If there was a truly omnipotent being that created everything, there wouldn't be as much poverty, starvation, etc.

EDIT: I'm 17.

You think the same way I do brother. I also think religion is an excuse or that if there is a god most of the stories about him and religion itself has been made up as the years has gone by like adam and eve , noah's arc, etc. And his powers are exaggerated.

 

[YowYan]

Religion is a tool used to spiritually and intellectually stupify/enslave men.

'Believing' is useless. Holds no meaning as you do not manifest your 'knowledge' into actions. That is what organised religion is. It teaches you you are external and inferior to this (to religious ppl unexplainable) god. Praying for the poor, but not doing anything significant about it in reality.

Spirituality and science teach us that God is us. Consciousness and universal love = that divine presence/the source/god.

Saying 'god created this or us' indirectly means 'I don't know'.


Blablabla rant.

I'm not an atheist. Lets keep it at new age spiritual.

 

[l Forgotten l]

I'll give you an interesting way to look at it.
If you believe in God, and he's fake, then there is no Hell.
If you're an Atheist, and God is real, then you probably aren't going to Heaven.
You see what I'm getting at?

PARRISH, I LOVE YOU!!! :ls:
OT:
I wouldn't categorize myself with an atheist though, just for my own reason. That i will not share.

 

[Transcendence]

You think the same way I do brother. I also think religion is an excuse or that if there is a god most of the stories about him and religion itself has been made up as the years has gone by like adam and eve , noah's arc, etc. And his powers are exaggerated.

Completely agree man. I guess it just coincides with the ignorant masses of today. They need something to fulfill their existence and to think of a "being" that holds more precedence than all is what does it for them. I use this hilarious analogy against my hard core religious friends:

- If the bible is "proof" God/Jesus exists doesn't that mean the Spider Man comics are proof that Spider man exists?

 

[l Forgotten l]

Completely agree man. I guess it just coincides with the ignorant masses of today. They need something to fulfill their existence and to think of a "being" that holds more precedence than all is what does it for them. I use this hilarious analogy against my hard core religious friends:

- If the bible is "proof" God/Jesus exists doesn't that mean the Spider Man comics are proof that Spider man exists?

Spiderman does exist.
Haven't you seen him?
he has some movies out.
HE IS REAL! THE COMICS WERE TELLING THE TRUTH!
XD

 

[Transcendence]

Spiderman does exist.
Haven't you seen him?
he has some movies out.
HE IS REAL! THE COMICS WERE TELLING THE TRUTH!
XD

I would rep you, but I did on the last thread...

 

[Revengedace]

Im the same age as you and im an athiest. The reason why im an athiest because basically the same things you said,

1. If there was a god why do he let all of these tragedies happen.

2. What's the point in working our asses off, some people working at mcdonalds making no money at all to pay their bills, why should they have to suffer when god could just help them.

I beleive that religion is a man made system to restrict humans from evolving into greater beings, what i mean by that is just say if someone was studying alchemy(which is basically science), religious fanatics would call it witch craft and will try to stay away from you, now with that being the mindset of religious people then how will we ever come up with alchemy? (yes i am a fullmetal alchemist fan) but that is just an example.

Also the thing i dont understand is when you're in church, there is like a basket you pass around and put money and stuff into it, and it's supposed to go to "god", but why would god need money when hes the creator of all things, couldnt he just spawn in stuff lol.

I think once you become an athiest you start thinking about things more rationally (not saying all religious people dont)

Once again i just think religion is something that controlls humans into doing things, A christian don't cuss out someone because god doesnt want them too, an athiest doesnt cuss out someone because they don't want to be a di*k.

My parents are religious people and its best if they dont even know im an athiest because arguing with christians about is there a god or not is simply impossible, beleivers just don't understand

Sorry for long read

 

[Unbiased King]

I'm not going to try to change your opinion or that of anyone's else because what you feel and believe is 100% yours.

And I'm not going to sit here and act like I can tell you everything you want to hear, as much as I want your questions to be answered.

But allow me to say this: Christianity is unique in that it requires the believer to have a relationship with God. If you can't find that relationship but you want it, just keep doing what you do. While thinking is healthy, zombie believers are just that: mindless zombies.

As impossible as it sounds, don't feel attacked by your parents who may think making you a christian by shoving you into a church will be as simple as putting a hot pocket into a microwave, they'll just be a bit spooked, but that really is an understatement lol.

P.S.
-The Apostle Paul said not to take drugs, not Jesus.

 

[Tartarus]

Completely agree man. I guess it just coincides with the ignorant masses of today. They need something to fulfill their existence and to think of a "being" that holds more precedence than all is what does it for them. I use this hilarious analogy against my hard core religious friends:

- If the bible is "proof" God/Jesus exists doesn't that mean the Spider Man comics are proof that Spider man exists?

The same could be applied for all ancient historic figures.

OT:I don't like to get into this discussion, but here's the way I see it. Do you believe in an objective good and evil? That there is some true meaning and purpose for our existence? If yes, then you believe in a god of some form. If there is no God, then everything in our lives is just meaningless subjective nonsense. If that's the case, then why should I feel guilty about believing in something imaginary? Am I violating some higher law to pursue the truth? Made by who? God?
I believe in God, but my relationship with Christianity has been very... jagged in the good and bad ways.

 

[oShux]

Hm at the moment idk but I recommend you guys watching this video [video=youtube;Kkt9OU-9h0E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkt9OU-9h0E[/video]

 

[Tartarus]

Hm at the moment idk but I recommend you guys watching this video [video=youtube;Kkt9OU-9h0E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkt9OU-9h0E[/video]

I know from experience, jumping into occult concepts is not the best idea when you don't have a clear spiritual foundation yet. You'll wind up filling your head with a bunch of vague concepts that will only make you confused and susceptible to listening to quacks.

 

[EnDash]

i believe everyone should have the free will to choose their beliefs, and must never be forced to follow a religion. it needs to be your own choice to believe in god cause if you didn't choose it you don't really believe do you?

the one thing i hate about religion is that almost none repsect people who believe diffrently, it's either our belief or burn in hell for eternity. a person can be pure of heart who never stole or raped or murdered but he must suffer in hell because he believes diffrently. some branches of christianity believe that if you weren't baptized when you were a baby you are not allowed into heaven. if a baby dies before being baptized will it go to hell to suffer with all the murderers and rapists?

if there is one religion i come close to accept, is Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy. a fictional epic poem about a man traveling in the afterlife. going through 9 levels of hell, 9 levels of purgatory and 9 levels of heaven (btw Dante created the concept of 9 levels of hell, no religion has that idea, it's purely fictional). there are some very needed fixes for the after life in that poem, for instance Puragtory is where souls go to be purged(become pure) if they sinned, but not one of the seven sins punishable by death. after a long time of torture fitting to the sin of the soul the soul is allowed to enter heaven. another very importent thing is what happens to people who believe diffrently? they go to the first level of hell also called Limbo, where THERE IS NO PHYSICAL PUNISHMENT. it's simply a giant place where everyone who weren't baptized when they were babies, born before the coming of jesus christ, believed in diffrent religions and gods or simply did not believe in god and followed philosophy or science or other things. The idea is that "far away from god in life, far away from god in death".

if you ask me, i am totally ok with going to limbo. i don't follow god and i don't believe in christianity, but i didn't murder or raped or stole or lied. the only sin is thet i believe diffrently, so a level of hell with not punishment is fitting for me.

 

[oShux]

I know from experience, jumping into occult concepts is not the best idea when you don't have a clear spiritual foundation yet. You'll wind up filling your head with a bunch of vague concepts that will only make you confused and susceptible to listening to quacks.

i believe everyone should have the free will to choose their beliefs, and must never be forced to follow a religion. it needs to be your own choice to believe in god cause if you didn't choose it you don't really believe do you?

the one thing i hate about religion is that almost none repsect people who believe diffrently, it's either our belief or burn in hell for eternity. a person can be pure of heart who never stole or raped or murdered but he must suffer in hell because he believes diffrently. some branches of christianity believe that if you weren't baptized when you were a baby you are not allowed into heaven. if a baby dies before being baptized will it go to hell to suffer with all the murderers and rapists?

if there is one religion i come close to accept, is Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy. a fictional epic poem about a man traveling in the afterlife. going through 9 levels of hell, 9 levels of purgatory and 9 levels of heaven (btw Dante created the concept of 9 levels of hell, no religion has that idea, it's purely fictional). there are some very needed fixes for the after life in that poem, for instance Puragtory is where souls go to be purged(become pure) if they sinned, but not one of the seven sins punishable by death. after a long time of torture fitting to the sin of the soul the soul is allowed to enter heaven. another very importent thing is what happens to people who believe diffrently? they go to the first level of hell also called Limbo, where THERE IS NO PHYSICAL PUNISHMENT. it's simply a giant place where everyone who weren't baptized when they were babies, born before the coming of jesus christ, believed in diffrent religions and gods or simply did not believe in god and followed philosophy or science or other things. The idea is that "far away from god in life, far away from god in death".

if you ask me, i am totally ok with going to limbo. i don't follow god and i don't believe in christianity, but i didn't murder or raped or stole or lied. the only sin is thet i believe diffrently, so a level of hell with not punishment is fitting for me.

I agree with you man on all accounts
Atheist has been friends with a Christian for years - Oh you believe in god? I don't but I'm sure we can still be friends
Christian finds out close friend is Atheist- OMG DUDE GTFO YOU'RE SICK blah blah it's a shame really when their book says it's a sin to judge ironic huh

 

[Tartarus]

I agree with you man on all accounts
Atheist has been friends with a Christian for years - Oh you believe in god? I don't but I'm sure we can still be friends
Christian finds out close friend is Atheist- OMG DUDE GTFO YOU'RE SICK blah blah it's a shame really when their book says it's a sin to judge ironic huh

Don't generalize any side, I've met just as many intolerant atheists as well as theists. It's in human nature to be hostile to those who disagree. Just go on the internet for a few minutes and you'll see.

 

[Tartarus]

I agree with you man on all accounts
Atheist has been friends with a Christian for years - Oh you believe in god? I don't but I'm sure we can still be friends
Christian finds out close friend is Atheist- OMG DUDE GTFO YOU'RE SICK blah blah it's a shame really when their book says it's a sin to judge ironic huh

Don't generalize any side, I've met just as many intolerant atheists as well as theists. It's in human nature to be hostile to those who disagree. Just go on the internet for a few minutes and you'll see.

 

[oShux]

Don't generalize any side, I've met just as many intolerant atheists as well as theists. It's in human nature to be hostile to those who disagree. Just go on the internet for a few minutes and you'll see.

Don't generalize any side, I've met just as many intolerant atheists as well as theists. It's in human nature to be hostile to those who disagree. Just go on the internet for a few minutes and you'll see.

Posted the same twice but back to the topic everyone on the internet acts like that they're just childish losers who act tough behind a computer screen I'm talking about real life here in real life an atheist wouldn't bash you for not believing in god he wouldn't care he would go on with his life. Now a theist on the other hand? They'll judge you and if not openly you know for a fact they'll do it in their heads

 

[Abysmal.]

Just do you.
Bullshit everyone else.