The manga has stated that his 'teachings gave birth to ninjutsu itself'. Thus there was no organized method of ninja teachings back then. Since he was also stated to be the first to discover the true use of chakra, the likelihood of any pre existing ninjutsu ever having been used is greatly diminished. Nonetheless, even if certain techniques were being employed which utilized chakra in some form, it was definitely disorganized and unlike what we know today.
In fact, if you read the manga, you will find that the Sage was a priest, and his religion if you will, were the teachings of ninshu that later evolved into ninjutsu(probably). A shinobi per se was an unknown factor at that point, someone who did not exist. Whether or not the use of chakra and the abilities of ninjutsu existed in some form is an unknown. However, seeing as how no one else from the past was ever known to have achieved what the Rikudo did, and the credit that has been ascribed to him, its quite safe to say that the formal use of chakra, and the complex handseals involved in ninjutsu techniques, especially those such as sealing, most definitely did not exist at that time. Otherwise it would render the credit given to the Sage as false.
Actually in many Eastern cultures its quite commonplace for 2nd or 3rd generation cousins to marry. If 5 generations ago two people had a common grandparent, this would classify them as 'distant' relatives.
Quoting a website that can be edited by anyone? You expect me to take that seriously?
Lets use a dictionary instead, shall we?
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a. Direct descent from a particular ancestor; ancestry.
b. Derivation.
2. The descendants of a common ancestor considered to be the founder of the line.
I don't need to know anthropology to debate this topic, and the definition to be used is the english language version of any given word.
Also:
1. direct descent from an ancestor, esp a line of descendants from one ancestor.
So in your example, who was the one ancestor the Sage was supposed to have descended from? The implied meaning that is given to the reader would be 'descendants' as opposed to 'ancestors'. Your usage of the word heavily implied this meaning, when you stated:
The Uzumakis relation to the senjus, and accounting for the similarity in the mechanisms used in the fuuinjutsu of the Rikudo and the Uzumaki seal on naruto was explained as a possible derivative of a teaching initially passed on to the senju(the sage's lineage). When i stated in the Op that since the senju possessed a fuuinjutsu of similar capability, and you posted that i assumed you were targeting this example. I see that this was not the case. Your failure to clarify what you meant led to this ambiguity, and it this very ambiguity that veers this thread off topic.
Nothing is known about his origins, to speculate on that would be pointless, there is not enough information given to ascertain it.
We can however safely say that he did/did NOT belong to x y or z groups, since those variables, unlike the Sage's ancestry, has been defined.
I don't know anything about anthropology. I don't know who the fck you are, nor do i care. I don't know why you chose to respond to this thread, and i don't know why you want to use real world science on a fcking anime forum about a cartoon.I did'nt pretend to sound smart while making this thread, only thorough. But i do know that if you will post in this thread, than you will do what people on anime forums do: talk about anime. Not anthropology. Not a scientific field you conveniently cherry pick. And certainly not about some BS pretense of superior logic that no one is gonna be able to decide either way. Get with the game, or gtfo this thread.[/SPOILER]
Good response, And I agree its seems quite weighted that Zetsu's statement suggests that the Uzumaki bloodline is the same as the Senju. Evidence to suggest this is as you say the Mokuton technique used by Hashirama to restrain the juubi is very similar to the inner workings of the Uzumaki inspired seal on Naruto. Kushina Uzumaki's Chakra chains function in a very similar manner to Hashirama's Mokuton however it is different in its barrier jutsu applications; Hashirama's Bloodline has never been shown to do something similar. Kushina's chains also resemble the Evil chains of the Outer Path of the Rinnegan.
This brings up a question in my mind. If the Uzumaki have absolutely zero influence upon their bodies from the Juubi. IE If the Uzumaki bloodline is pure as Sir Derp Hypothesis suggests by default, if the Uzumaki are not a descendant of the sage in any way and he only came from the clan. IE They cannot have any shred of influence upon them in the form of the Yang and Yin powers of the Juubi. In this case HOW is it that Kushina Uzumaki can manifest the Evil chains of the outer path of the Rinnegan with her Unique chakra? A form of Yin yang release? If she is not a direct descendant of the Sage and his Juubi influenced off spring then how can she manifest what should be abilities that are directly indicative of Juubi influence? This is a hole in the theory of the Uzumaki being unrelated to the descendants of the sage, in order for Kushina to manifest those particular abilities she had to have some manner of influence upon her from the juubi.
However there is another point the Senju clan were said to be extremely talented in many areas, ninjutsu genjutsu taijutsu etc etc. The Uzumaki clan was not, why? If they share the same lineage or ancestor or kinship then why are their "apparent" skills so different, why weren't the Uzumaki well known for the other realms of ninja techniques. The Senju bloodline seems to grant raw talent in most areas of ninja arts....that is a question mark against that. Why didn't the Uzumaki ever manifest a Mokuton user?
These are questions against both theories.
ideas?
... the chains could be a unique power that came from the Juubi.
