Edo Nagato Vs. Hashirama

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

This all comes down to whether preta path can absorb Mokuton or not. Nagato is severely underrated. I love how the main argument is Flower Tree world

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It all comes down on whether preta path can absorb mokuton, which it probably can't.

 

[Zexion~]

Lmao, pollen allergy...

Pretty sure that's life force and stamina, not willpower.

Eh i don't know Nagato was on his deathbed when he was fighting Naruto and he was still able to use CT and etc.

Not to mention Part one naruto won every battle with willpower alone

 

[KidGamer65]

Eh i don't know Nagato was on his deathbed when he was fighting Naruto and he was still able to use CT and etc.

Not to mention Part one naruto won every battle with willpower alone

Yeah, that's life force and stamina. Not willpower.

That's Naruto, this is Nagato. Not to mention it took Onoki a while to wake up from the pollen anyway, by that time Hashirama could have finished him (Nagato) off.

 

[Zexion~]

Yeah, that's life force and stamina. Not willpower.

That's Naruto, this is Nagato. Not to mention it took Onoki a while to wake up from the pollen anyway, by that time Hashirama could have finished him (Nagato) off.

Alright i give up I knew Nagato did not win, however when will your counter be up in Tourney .. if i may ask here?

 

[KidGamer65]

Alright i give up I knew Nagato did not win, however when will your counter be up in Tourney .. if i may ask here?

Probably in a few hours. I know for sure it will be today.

 

[Strict]

Nagato could use CST to crush the tree world, but you should not forget that a usage of Shinra Tensei is followed by an interval, which length is determined by the strength of the used Shinra Tensei. During the period in which the Deva-Path is restricted, Nagato will be literally chanceless.

 

[Zexion~]

Nagato could use CST to crush the tree world, but you should not forget that a usage of Shinra Tensei is followed by an interval, which length is determined by the strength of the used Shinra Tensei. During the period in which the Deva-Path is restricted, Nagato will be literally chanceless.

He still has all his other powers, along with still being able to levitate which is a boost because it lets him avoid the wood better

 

[KidGamer65]

Nagato could use CST to crush the tree world, but you should not forget that a usage of Shinra Tensei is followed by an interval, which length is determined by the strength of the used Shinra Tensei. During the period in which the Deva-Path is restricted, Nagato will be literally chanceless.

Yeah, he could. If he knew it was coming. That's why Bringer of Darkness is to be used followed up with Flower Tree World. He won't know to counter what he can't see coming at him.

What you said is also perfectly valid though.

He still has all his other powers, along with still being able to levitate which is a boost because it lets him avoid the wood better

Levitation is a Deva ability, when CST is used all his Deva powers can't be used until they recharge.

 

[blazekev90]

He isn't going to know to do any of this if he's blinded by Bringer of Darkness.

Stop shouting out nonsense! Nagato has senor abilities, bringer of darkness wouldn't prevent him from performing any of this. Hell even non-senor type shinobi have been able to sense their surroundings while blind. Both Itachi and Hiruzen were capable of doing this.

 

[Zexion~]

Stop shouting out nonsense! Nagato has senor abilities, bringer of darkness wouldn't prevent him from performing any of this. Hell even non-senor type shinobi have been able to sense their surroundings while blind. Both Itachi and Hiruzen were capable of doing this.

Flower tree world is not made of chakra apparently

 

[KidGamer65]

Stop shouting out nonsense! Nagato has senor abilities, bringer of darkness wouldn't prevent him from performing any of this. Hell even non-senor type shinobi have been able to sense their surroundings while blind. Both Itachi and Hiruzen were capable of doing this.

He can't sense Flower Tree World or any kind of Mokuton cause they are real trees. Not chakra trees. So that's invalid.

So you're telling me Nagato is going to sense that a forest with flowers that spew pollen out of them has been used despite none of the flowers or the trees having any chakra? The only one spouting nonsense is you.

 

[blazekev90]

Nagato could use CST to crush the tree world, but you should not forget that a usage of Shinra Tensei is followed by an interval, which length is determined by the strength of the used Shinra Tensei. During the period in which the Deva-Path is restricted, Nagato will be literally chanceless.

I'm not sure Deva-path would be restricted. Considering the nagato at that moment had his chakra divided into 6 individuals/bodies and had to channel it all into one at that instant, Nagato himself shouldn't have any issues using ST frequently. Even Naruto noted that Nagato himself>Pein in speed and strength, this "speed" IMO stands for his ability to perform jutsu back-to-back without time intervals.

 

[blazekev90]

He can't sense Flower Tree World or any kind of Mokuton cause they are real trees. Not chakra trees. So that's invalid.

So you're telling me Nagato is going to sense that a forest with flowers that spew pollen out of them has been used despite none of the flowers or the trees having any chakra? The only one spouting nonsense is you.

I don't know why either of you are mentioning Flower Tree, when I blatantly said Total Darkness technique which in fact uses chakra.

Trees themselves aren't fused with chakra, we know this. However, I do believe Hashi has to mold his chakra/hand seals to perform this jutsu, which can be sensed

On the Flower Tree, you act as if Nagato is a fodder who in incapable to reacting to jutsu?!?! Flower World is not a KO instant attack, it has to emerge. Any top tier shinbo would be aware of Flower Tree being used, it's a matter of being able to avoid it and Nagato has that ability, which is flight. Why would he take flight instantly? Because obviously Hashi would have battlefield advantage at that moment.

 

[Strict]

I'm not sure Deva-path would be restricted. Considering the nagato at that moment had his chakra divided into 6 individuals/bodies and had to channel it all into one at that instant, Nagato himself shouldn't have any issues using ST frequently. Even Naruto noted that Nagato himself>Pein in speed and strength, this "speed" IMO stands for his ability to perform jutsu back-to-back without time intervals.

You have a wrong understanding of this technique. Out of all techniques used by Pain, only the Shinra Tensei was characterized on having a cooldown after every usage. While it is right that the speed and strength of Nagato's techniques surpasses Pain's, it doesn't imply that the interval which has been asserted as the techniques weakness is eliminated. When the five other bodies of Pain were already defeated, Deva-Path, who was the last path standing had also to bear the disadvantage of the Shinra Tensei's interval.

 

[blazekev90]

You have a wrong understanding of this technique. Out of all techniques used by Pain, only the Shinra Tensei was characterized on having a cooldown after every usage. While it is right that the speed and strength of Nagato's techniques surpasses Pain's, it doesn't imply that the interval which has been asserted as the techniques weakness is eliminated. When the five other bodies of Pain were already defeated, Deva-Path, who was the last path standing had also to bear the disadvantage of the Shinra Tensei's interval.

So you think this is the process of ST itself? HMM, idk I just find that so hard to believe, I feel it's determined why Nagato's chakra and his ability of channeling it. Especially after Deva used ST, Konan was so concerned of Nagato's chakra levels, which once of the paths were defeated his chakra was extremely low. I may be wrong, but that's how I view this process.

 

[Strict]

I guess there is a process which occurs when a Shinra Tensei is used, because Chakra reserves shouldn't be a problem for Nagato in any way. Deva-Path was even able to continue using his Shinra Tensei after such a massive scaled technique like Chibaku Tensei is, so the question rises why a cooldown is followed by each usage of Shinra Tensei (even when Deva-Path was alone) while something like Chibaku Tensei can be used without restricting Deva-Path in any way.

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't know why either of you are mentioning Flower Tree, when I blatantly said Total Darkness technique which in fact uses chakra.

Trees themselves aren't fused with chakra, we know this. However, I do believe Hashi has to mold his chakra/hand seals to perform this jutsu, which can be sensed

On the Flower Tree, you act as if Nagato is a fodder who in incapable to reacting to jutsu?!?! Flower World is not a KO instant attack, it has to emerge. Any top tier shinbo would be aware of Flower Tree being used, it's a matter of being able to avoid it and Nagato has that ability, which is flight. Why would he take flight instantly? Because obviously Hashi would have battlefield advantage at that moment.

Does it matter if he can sense Hashirama molding chakra? No, cause he doesn't know what is coming. Understand that before you reply.

-How is he going to know to do this when he doesn't know what is coming towards him due to Bringer of Darkness?

-How is he going to know what jutsu is coming just because he can sense him mold chakra?

-How would he know Hashirama has the battlefield advantage when he is blind?

Answer those questions with valid answers or don't reply.

 

[Zexion~]

Because CT instead requires a lot of physical strain, and for all we know it could of required a cooldown, as a lot of time passed between its usage and then the next ST that was used

 

[blazekev90]

I guess there is a process which occurs when a Shinra Tensei is used, because Chakra reserves shouldn't be a problem for Nagato in any way. Deva-Path was even able to continue using his Shinra Tensei after such a massive scaled technique like Chibaku Tensei is, so the question rises why a cooldown is followed by each usage of Shinra Tensei (even when Deva-Path was alone) while something like Chibaku Tensei can be used without restricting Deva-Path in any way.

Yes, I wish this was explained more in the series. But chakra for sure has something to do with ST, because as you stated Nagato continued to use ST and other techniques after Konan's comment. If using ST drained so much chakra, but was used constantly afterwards, it must reply on much chakra Nagato can channel at that given time. If anything we can at least assume that the intervals are shorter (2-3 seconds), if not eliminated at all.

We can leave it at that. lol

 

[Prince Charles]

@Prince Charles, the soul dragon is countered pretty easily with his versatile Mokuton, which can be used as a shield of trees surrounding him. Before the argument of the dragon being an immaterial entity appears, one should keep in mind that the dragon stroke into the ground instead of slipping through it when Hanzou escaped with Shunshin no Jutsu. All Nagato will do with this technique is crippling himself like he did back then. While he is connected to the Mazou, he has no mobility and becomes an easy target for Hashirama, who will use the Mayfly technique to disappear within the surroundings and use techniques from there. He can also send Mokuton Bunshins with the Mayfly technique to Nagato, who is immobile at this point to crush him with one of his many possibilities.

Gedo Mazo is easily eliminated with Sage Art: Gate of the Great God.

I mean do you not see hanzo subordinates falling out the soul dragon[

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]? Just because it hit the ground means nothing. It has magnificent power does it not? you're thinking too much into the box here. Just because it made contact with the ground, you shouldnt try to discredit it's ghost like features. It goes both ways.

Obviously you're underestimating the gedo. That fact that you believe it get restrained that easily via mukoton is quite amusing. You don't even take into consideration of the Gedo's mobility[

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].

Not too mention its firepower you decided to completely ignore you clown. It's chakra shockwave and its chakra blast will easily be able to counter the mukoton surrounding it. The shockwave covers a 360 degree angle around the Gedo which would obliterate the mukoton[

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]. We already saw how mere katon made hashiramas mukoton vulnerable[

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]. The shock wave covers a large radius surround the gedo, the majority of the mukoton will be gone thus the gedo be loosened from captivity. The chakra blasts will have no problem destroying the mukoton.

Don't even bring up hashiramas wood summoning's. The vast majority of them can be handled by the Gedo with its chakra blast[

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]. The only real threat here would be the buddha.

The shockwave from the gedo can potentially destroy some of the gates from hashirama. Not too mention I see no reason why he simply can't re summon the Gedo out of the torii seals from hashirama