[Theory] The Jūbi's Theory - Chapter 1 [Bijū]

[Mr Hiru]

Introduction

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The Jūbi was introduced a God inside Narutoverse, this is, a "whole" being that possibly "created" everything human beings could see as Nature.

It is pretty sure to assume that this is the case, since the Juubi seems to be made mainly of Nature Chakra

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Kurama explains that since the Jūbi finished his transformation, the Gedō Mazō stop emitting negative emotions. The question is... why?

Hatred

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We must see deep inside to analyze this, this is remotely foreshadowed in Chapter 1:

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Bijūs. They were considered by humans as mere tools of War, souless sources of chakra. In the worst cases, they were considered Demon Spirits.

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Nonetheless, these creatures were dangerous... humans only knew half of the truth. The source of hatred for these animals were mankind as live beings.

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Naruto gave hope to these Bijū, before their chakra were absorbed by the Gedō Mazō. This is the reason Kurama could not sense evilness in the Jūbi... Naruto was able to balance it. There is an interesting thing I would like to discuss later, but for now let's keep it just like this.

Now, for starters, we know that the Bijūs were powerful Animal Spirits. How were they born?

Origin of Bijū

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They are dual existences... they have both Body and Spirit... they were the result of a jutsu that unbalanced the harmony of almighty being, the Jūbi.

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The Sage of Six Path, who once was the vessel for this whole existence, extracted it from himself and then managed to divide the Ten Tails into Yin and Yang, Spirit and Body. In order to mantain Nature Balance in the process, he had to divide this existence into ten pieces. These were the Nine Animal Spirits, and the Ultimate Embodiment: Shukaku, Matatabi, Isopu, Son Goku, Kokuō, Saiken, Chōmei, Gyūki, Kurama and finally, the very well known Gedō Mazō, the last one being that one which was sealed in the Moon.

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Tobi explains that the legendary Sage's Jutsu, the "Yin Yang Release - Banbutsu Sōzō" uses the Yin to create tangible things from nothingness, and uses the Yang to input lifeforce in that lifeless entity. It is interesting how he uses a dual statement to describe that even when he takes these elements to execute the jutsu, he applies the Vitality and Physical Energy paralleled to the "Yang", and Imagination and the Spiritual Energy paralleled to the "Yin". The thing is... how is this related to the state of the Jūbi after being divided?

Yin and Yang

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This could sound a little weird, but we must dig a bit inside Taoism in order to understand what's behind the Jutsu of the Sage... in order to see what does it exactly do...

Taoism (modernly: Daoism) is a philosophical and religious tradition that emphasizes living in harmony with the Tao (modernly romanized as "Dao"). The term Tao means "way", "path" or "principle", and can also be found in Chinese philosophies and religions other than Taoism. In Taoism, however, Tao denotes something that is both the source and the driving force behind everything that exists. It is ultimately ineffable: "The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao."

Kurama stated indirectly that the Jūbi was mainly Nature Energy.

Naturalness (Chinese: 自然; pinyin: zìrán; Wade–Giles: tzu-jan; lit. "self-such") is regarded as a central value in Taoism. It describes the "primordial state" of all things as well as a basic character of the Tao, and is usually associated with spontaneity and creativity. To attain naturalness, one has to identify with the Tao; this involves freeing oneself from selfishness and desire, and appreciating simplicity.

This is exactly what Kurama felt about the Jūbi when it wasn't Gedō Mazō as a single manipulated vessel (because this one was being controlled by Pain/Obito's Rinnegan, a human manifestation of the Hatred).

In the other hand, Bijūs are Spirits with consciousness that in the most extreme cases could take over their vessel and consume their souls and reach balance. These vessels are a spare "Yang" part for these Spirits... and they are named Jinchūriki.

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In all cases, these vessels had to meet certain requirements to be able to hold that huge mass of chakra. From the most weak Bijū (

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), going up to the most powerful beasts (

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), until reach the most powerful compatible clan... the Uzumaki Clan (

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). They had a very strong lifeforce,
they had a great physical energy... they were very "Yang" influenced.

The answer to the question asked in the previous sections reveals in front of our eyes. Gedō Mazō is the Yang (Embodiment) part of the Jūbi, while the Nine Tailed Beasts (Spirits) are the Yin part of this whole being.

Both parts needed a seal to reach balance or be kept quiet. The Tailed Beasts needed Jinchūrikis to reach their balance, and the Gedō Mazō needed a huge lifeforce to be sealed in the moon. This was the Lifeforce sacrificed by the Sage to make use of Chibaku Tensei.

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(This happens when the Rinnegan user goes beyond the use of his chakra capacity:

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,

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)

(Pink note: Furthermore, both jutsus served the same purpose... The Sage sealed a fragment of the Jūbi in the Moon, and a Jūbi fragment was sealed inside Obito).

--- To be continued. Next related theory: Jinchūriki​

 

[ryedinc]

Interesting Ying-Yang theory. Thanks for the post. >:3

 

[ballerjordan]

Good theory.

 

[Shichi]

Nice theory

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

It is pretty sure to assume that this is the case, since the Juubi seems to be made mainly of Nature Chakra

Why does the Juubi need only bijuu chakra and not in other types of chakra??? if its nature and the source of ALL chakra. then why the unique bijuu chakra??

 

[Mr Hiru]

Why does the Juubi need only bijuu chakra and not in other types of chakra??? if its nature and the source of ALL chakra. then why the unique bijuu chakra??

That's something that I need to explain in further theories, but as stated in the manga page I posted, Kurama couldn't measure that inmense chakra, but he stated clearly that things could be different with Naruto in Sage Mode.

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

That's something that I need to explain in further theories, but as stated in the manga page I posted, Kurama couldn't measure that inmense chakra, but he stated clearly that things could be different with Naruto in Sage Mode.

Oh ok cool, I look forward to reading it :I Yeah sage mode, we saw like the universe in the juubi.. but from bijuu chakra to sage mode, nature, its always switching with the juubi, its evil and foul, want to destroy the world

then its a progenitor and not so evil, bijuu chakra to become perfect, then throughout the manga presently its becoming final form Without full kurama and hachibi, it seems to be absorbing Natural energy instead to be full form..

I think the Juubi is more than just bijuu chakra its the combination of ALL chakra.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Oh ok cool, I look forward to reading it :I Yeah sage mode, we saw like the universe in the juubi.. but from bijuu chakra to sage mode, nature, its always switching with the juubi, its evil and foul, want to destroy the world

then its a progenitor and not so evil, bijuu chakra to become perfect, then throughout the manga presently its becoming final form Without full kurama and hachibi, it seems to be absorbing Natural energy instead to be full form..

I think the Juubi is more than just bijuu chakra its the combination of ALL chakra.

The "Original" Jūbi (the one who was sealed by the Sage himself) is quite what you describe.

The "Current Jūbi" (one that is quite incomplete) is another story. Moreover, if you read all the theory I put, you would see that the Bijū that were jailed in the Demonic Statue had hope before being jailed again, by Naruto who promised to guide them in the right path, to free them from the Masked Man. They don't hate anymore because they recognized the Legacy of the Sage of the Six Paths.

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

The "Original" Jūbi (the one who was sealed by the Sage himself) is quite what you describe.

The "Current Jūbi" (one that is quite incomplete) is another story. Moreover, if you read all the theory I put, you would see that the Bijū that were jailed in the Demonic Statue had hope before being jailed again, by Naruto who promised to guide them in the right path, to free them from the Masked Man. They don't hate anymore because they recognized the Legacy of the Sage of the Six Paths.

I did read it all T_T I did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What I am focusing on is, what the juubi really is. I say its not just a combination of bijuu chakra, it can reach final form without FULL kurama and hachibi, Its stated through the manga that it is gonna turn into the ''original'' and applied to be absorbing Natural energy which is not bijuu chakra

 

[Mr Hiru]

I did read it all T_T I did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the current Juubi is gonna turn back to its former self just in the end its just gonna have a new attitude about things, What I am focusing on is, what the juubi really is. I say its not just a combination of bijuu chakra, it can reach final form without kurama and hachibi, Its stated through the manga that it is gonna turn into the ''original'' and applied to be absorbing Natural energy which is not bijuu chakra

It is stated that the final transformation will take more time.

That detail will be discussed in my next theory, I left it untouched because it needs more analysis. Let me tell you that what the Former Jūbi lacks is not precisely chakra. Don't miss the essential point ... they are Spirits (call them mind, consciousness, Yin, or as you like). I prefer to call them Spirits because they are mainly made of Yin, Spiritual Energy of the Jūbi and Imagination of the Sage.

Why do you think Jūbi is attacking Naruto? He won't stop just to gather chakra, you know.

 

[Transcendence]

Very nice and elaborate theory. I look forward to the next part of it. + rep for it.

 

[FearxDeath]

It makes sense but I am left a little confused to it all, perhaps that is because it is merely a part one. Its almost like someone telling you the first half of the 3 little pigs story. There are 3 pigs who each go off and build a house, there is this wolf that wants to blow their house down, he blows down the first house, blows down the 2nd... The End?

All in all it seems good, but I will have to reserve judgement until I see the finished product x__x.

Also you said that the Bijuu's need the Jinchuriki to aquire balance, but keep in mind that Mito was the first Jinchuriki, which means before that time the Bijuu's were having a good time living peacefully on there own without the yang from the Jinchuriki. So why is it that during the 2 generations that Jinchuriki's have started being used that they all of a sudden have a higher meaning in all of this.

We have seen that Kisame's sword, Samehada, has a will of its own which Naruto should be able to sense, yet Naruto was able to differentiate this will from Kisame's who was hiding within the sword. Now we also know that while within Gedo Mazo the Bijuu retain there consciousness by secluding into a hidden place within there physhe that only Bijuu and there Jinchuriki can go to. So I guess the question is why cant Naruto/Kurama differentiate the Bijuu's will with that of the Juubi's and if the two wills are really one now, as your theory would suggest, do you still believe in what we discussed earlier. Which is that the bijuu are fighting for control over Juubito.

I dont think the Sage created the Gedo, Rather the Gedo is merely what the Juubi looks like when stripped of all its Chakra, hence why when the Chakra was returned it started its metamorphosis.

At the end of the day the reason I think I am mostly confused is because there may be a bit of filler in there, and I am trying to make sense of something that has no real place within the theory, like "Bijūs. They were considered by humans as mere tools of War, souless sources of chakra. In the worst cases, they were considered Demon Spirits." and the scan proceeding it is pretty much unnecessary. I dont know x__x, just trying to help you make your thread a bit better than it is if that is possible lol. Good job though, be sure to message me when the part 2 comes out so I can take a look.

 

[Mr Hiru]

It makes sense but I am left a little confused to it all, perhaps that is because it is merely a part one. Its almost like someone telling you the first half of the 3 little pigs story. There are 3 pigs who each go off and build a house, there is this wolf that wants to blow their house down, he blows down the first house, blows down the 2nd... The End?

All in all it seems good, but I will have to reserve judgement until I see the finished product x__x.

Also you said that the Bijuu's need the Jinchuriki to aquire balance, but keep in mind that Mito was the first Jinchuriki, which means before that time the Bijuu's were having a good time living peacefully on there own without the yang from the Jinchuriki. So why is it that during the 2 generations that Jinchuriki's have started being used that they all of a sudden have a higher meaning in all of this.

We have seen that Kisame's sword, Samehada, has a will of its own which Naruto should be able to sense, yet Naruto was able to differentiate this will from Kisame's who was hiding within the sword. Now we also know that while within Gedo Mazo the Bijuu retain there consciousness by secluding into a hidden place within there physhe that only Bijuu and there Jinchuriki can go to. So I guess the question is why cant Naruto/Kurama differentiate the Bijuu's will with that of the Juubi's and if the two wills are really one now, as your theory would suggest, do you still believe in what we discussed earlier. Which is that the bijuu are fighting for control over Juubito.

I dont think the Sage created the Gedo, Rather the Gedo is merely what the Juubi looks like when stripped of all its Chakra, hence why when the Chakra was returned it started its metamorphosis.

At the end of the day the reason I think I am mostly confused is because there may be a bit of filler in there, and I am trying to make sense of something that has no real place within the theory, like "Bijūs. They were considered by humans as mere tools of War, souless sources of chakra. In the worst cases, they were considered Demon Spirits." and the scan proceeding it is pretty much unnecessary. I dont know x__x, just trying to help you make your thread a bit better than it is if that is possible lol. Good job though, be sure to message me when the part 2 comes out so I can take a look.

Duality of Taoism states that an entity has Both Body and Spirit. Due to the disbalance of the Creation of All Things, Yin influenced entities (Bijū) tends to have much more Spiritual Energy than Physical Energy, and that's why the Jinchūriki balances them as their spare "Yang". Indeed the Spirit had to wait until a Jinchūriki appears for the first time, in a berserk state (for example, the Sanbi, or the Unleashed Kyuubi in Konoha's Attack).

 

[FearxDeath]

Duality of Taoism states that an entity has Both Body and Spirit. Due to the disbalance of the Creation of All Things, Yin influenced entities (Bijū) tends to have much more Spiritual Energy than Physical Energy, and that's why the Jinchūriki balances them as their spare "Yang". Indeed the Spirit had to wait until a Jinchūriki appears for the first time, in a berserk state (for example, the Sanbi, or the Unleashed Kyuubi in Konoha's Attack).

You missed a big point of what I was saying.

Senju clan is hundreds of years old, Hashirama came around towards the end of the Senju Clan. And yet it was Hashirama who created the first Jinchuriki, Mito. Now follow me very closely.

1) So6P Created the Moon and the Bijuu at the same time. This is also around the same time he created his sons, Uchiha and Senju.

2) Uchiha and Senju are both hundreds of years old. I would estimate atleast 500+ Years old.

3) First Jinchuriki (Mito) wasnt created until after Hashirama's Riegn as Hokage

4) Hashirama didnt reign as Hokage until the end of the Senju Lineage

5) Therefore the Jinchuriki were around for hundreds of years, estimated 500+, without a Jinchuriki.

So what exactly do you mean when you say "Yin influenced entities (Bijū) tends to have much more Spiritual Energy than Physical Energy, and that's why the Jinchūriki balances them as their spare "Yang". Indeed the Spirit had to wait until a Jinchūriki appears for the first time."

Also keep in mind that both times that Kurama attacked Konoha he was being controlled, once by Madara and the 2nd time by Obito. Not only that but that the Tailed Beast are often still hate fill when they are inside of a Jinchuriki, Kurama was opposed to Naruto for years up until recently, Shukaku doesnt seem to care much for Gaara at all, it is only after the Jinchuriki have grown to know the Jinchuriki and trust them do they start to open up to them.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Nice theory, but I believe that the embodiment of the Yin of the Jūbi is the Elder Son and his descendants while the embodiment of the Yang of the Jūbi is the Younger Son and his descendants, the Chakra of the Jūbi is embodied by the Nine Bijūs, the Gedo Mazō is merely the empty shell of the Jūbi. That is why the Jūbi's eye transformed from Nine Tomoes into Six, one Tomoe went into the creation of the Elder Son, the other Tomoe went into the creation of the Younger Son and the last tomoe went (holistically) in the creation of the nine Bijūs

 

[Mr Hiru]

Nice theory, but I believe that the embodiment of the Yin of the Jūbi is the Elder Son and his descendants while the embodiment of the Yang of the Jūbi is the Younger Son and his descendants, the Chakra of the Jūbi is embodied by the Nine Bijūs, the Gedo Mazō is merely the empty shell of the Jūbi. That is why the Jūbi's eye transformed from Nine Tomoes into Six, one Tomoe went into the creation of the Elder Son, the other Tomoe went into the creation of the Younger Son and the last tomoe went (holistically) in the creation of the nine Bijūs

I believe that is an alternative approach of the technique of the Sage, but it differs from my theory since the creation of the Two Sons took place way after the creation of the Bijuus and the Gedo Mazō. It's quite interesting overall. Probably it could be justified as the Sage could awake the Rinnegan and in effect he could be able to create these two sons even after leaving its state as Jinchūchiri (possibility). I have not taken in account the quantity of Tomoes the current Juubi has, but I think I have the answer for that, and I'll touch it in the following theories.

You missed a big point of what I was saying.

Senju clan is hundreds of years old, Hashirama came around towards the end of the Senju Clan. And yet it was Hashirama who created the first Jinchuriki, Mito. Now follow me very closely.

1) So6P Created the Moon and the Bijuu at the same time. This is also around the same time he created his sons, Uchiha and Senju.

2) Uchiha and Senju are both hundreds of years old. I would estimate atleast 500+ Years old.

3) First Jinchuriki (Mito) wasnt created until after Hashirama's Riegn as Hokage.

4) Hashirama didn't reign as Hokage until the end of the Senju Lineage.

5) Therefore the Jinchuriki were around for hundreds of years, estimated 500+, without a Jinchuriki.

So what exactly do you mean when you say "Yin influenced entities (Bijū) tends to have much more Spiritual Energy than Physical Energy, and that's why the Jinchūriki balances them as their spare "Yang". Indeed the Spirit had to wait until a Jinchūriki appears for the first time."

Also keep in mind that both times that Kurama attacked Konoha he was being controlled, once by Madara and the 2nd time by Obito. Not only that but that the Tailed Beast are often still hate fill when they are inside of a Jinchuriki, Kurama was opposed to Naruto for years up until recently, Shukaku doesnt seem to care much for Gaara at all, it is only after the Jinchuriki have grown to know the Jinchuriki and trust them do they start to open up to them.

Bold a): False. The first Jinchūriki was not created by the Senju clan, it was created by the Sage of Six Paths, and it was himself. That aside, I'll follow your lines.

Bold 1): He created the Beasts and the Demonic Statue sealed in the Moon first. He created the Sons after this event, because he had to give them the legacy about this first event.

Bold 2): Agreed. It is plausible.

Bold 3): I already stated why it wasn't Mito the first Jinchūriki. Furthermore, the experts on sealing techniques were the Uzumaki (related to the Senju Clan), so it makes more sense to assume that it was the Uzumaki Clan those who taught the Senju the art of Sealing (Bijuus included).

Bold 4): Agreed. I know also that it was Tobirama the one who followed and died in the First Shinobi War, leaving Hiruzen as the Third Hokage.

Bold 5): The Bijū*. And, for further information, the manga states that the Jinchūriki was a discovery, a better way to seal the Bijū. There were earlier attempts to seal these creatures inside other things (lifeless). For example, Sunagakure no Satou used a Teapot to keep the creature sealed. Kumogakure used an ancient artifact to keep the Hachibi under control, the Kohaku no Jōhei. So keep in mind that there were alternatives that did not involved Jinchūrikis to seal these tailed beasts.

Bold b): Give a good look at Kurama (one of the pictures I posted). He said all the humans said the same things. He had hatred towards them, and he had even more hatred towards the Uchiha Clan. But, let me tell you the most interesting thing... Kurama killed Minato and Kushina when they tried to control his power... he reacted just as an animal who wanted to defend himself. Hatred is born to protect love (remember Gaara? He loved himself). Kurama hated others because these others didn't approve its existance. It's quite the things Kishimoto has been telling us throughout the whole series.