why gaara>onoki

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I didnt really want to go on abt gaara's abilities,but,
okay.
first of, Gaara has shown the ability to freely make sand in any location that has earth or rock at an alarmingly fast rate. even as a child he turned a forest into a sand box under a minute
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Here he is much older and stronger than before,
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blocking fast attacks easily,and showing high levels of reactions,by reacting to point blank explosions at the instance of explosion,shown with deidara's c3
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and joki boy's explosion
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. Even capable of perfoming powerful sand moves in the air too,
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. It has been widely acclaimed that onoki is the strongest current kage,while he does indeed pack power,he would loose in this fight.here's why;

physical weakness
Onoki's old age has been seen to reduce his physical prowess to a large degree,and thus he can't mainain a prolonged physical showdown. This will result in gaara taking advanntage of this and continously attack him,eventually causing onoki to run out of steam,
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onoki's earth release
onoki has powerful earth release techs. However,this is also to gaara's favour,as the medium for these techs(rock) are actually made into sand casually by gaara. This would cause the rock availability to drop rapidly,thus reducing onoki's rock techs to a minimum while boosting availabilty of sand for gaara,and thus boosting gaara's sand techs to the maximum,eventually onoki will be outgunned. Also his weighing and lightening jutsus arent viable as they need physical contact to take effect,and he isnt getting near gaara. Also doing it to normal sand is pointeless,as gaara couldambush and kill him once he is doing that.


dust release
onoki's ultimate jutsu,capabale of turning anything from full susanoos to and island to dust. It however comes with a few problems
1) the user has to stand still and focus it(not surprising seeing as it entails 3 chakra natures)
2) the jnton takes a few secs to do
3y) once interrupted you have to start again.
These 3 problems are perfect for gaara,who would keep on atttacking onoki. Onoki cant afford to stay still at all,he would have to keep moving to evade the sand attackscoming.


conclusion
onoki's physical consttraints which will make it a loy harder to cope with the attacks,as well as the rock techs giiving gaara more sand and his jinton's problem. Gaara takes it mid-high diff.
 

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i agree onoki is overrated
 

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Yea,he is quite overrated
 

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Hmm...Onoki still oneshots. He might be a bit overrated but currently he's the Ace of the kages. It's true that his physical prowess lacks due to his old age :NO:. But saying Gaara>Onoki would be saying that Gaara is the strongest kage which is imo a little off. Gaara definately has the potential to eventually surpass Onoki. But currently Onoki is definately stronger. Although if Gaara fights cautiously and thinks before he acts then he could probably beat Onoki.
 

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Hmm...Onoki still oneshots. He might be a bit overrated but currently he's the Ace of the kages. It's true that his physical prowess lacks due to his old age :NO:. But saying Gaara>Onoki would be saying that Gaara is the strongest kage which is imo a little off. Gaara definately has the potential to eventually surpass Onoki. But currently Onoki is definately stronger. Although if Gaara fights cautiously and thinks before he acts then he could probably beat Onoki.

pretty much this
 

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Gaara.. Is the strongest Gokage.. It's undeniable he is superior to the others.
 

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Onoki is still debatable. Just because of jinton has a charge time doesnt mean unlikely to be used

and Ay beats gaara
 

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Onoki is still debatable. Just because of jinton has a charge time doesnt mean unlikely to be used

and Ay beats gaara

He can't even destroy his defense, so how??
 

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Hmm...Onoki still oneshots. He might be a bit overrated but currently he's the Ace of the kages. It's true that his physical prowess lacks due to his old age :NO:. But saying Gaara>Onoki would be saying that Gaara is the strongest kage which is imo a little off. Gaara definately has the potential to eventually surpass Onoki. But currently Onoki is definately stronger. Although if Gaara fights cautiously and thinks before he acts then he could probably beat Onoki.

how does onoki oneshot when he cant use jinton?,i've already explained why he cant use it. Gaara being able to beat onoki dosent make him more powerful,just that his moveset counters those of onoki.

Onoki is still debatable. Just because of jinton has a charge time doesnt mean unlikely to be used

and Ay beats gaara

thats exactly what it means,and it's not just the charge time,he has to stand still too.

Flight renders A useless
 

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EjBlack;12gf656643 said:
Except Gaara fights aerial fighters when their aerial and ground fighters when they are on ground.



Says who?

he attacked the edo kages in the sky. He is not brainless,if he believes A can best him when on the ground,he will fly,and it's not like A can bust through his defence anyway.
 

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how does onoki oneshot when he cant use jinton?,i've already explained why he cant use it. Gaara being able to beat onoki dosent make him more powerful,just that his moveset counters those of onoki.



thats exactly what it means,and it's not just the charge time,he has to stand still too.

Flight renders A useless
I wasn't serious when i said Onoki oneshots.
 

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he attacked the edo kages in the sky. He is not brainless,if he believes A can best him when on the ground,he will fly,and it's not like A can bust through his defence anyway.

Just like he did with Sasuke and Lee right?
 

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he attacked the edo kages in the sky. He is not brainless,if he believes A can best him when on the ground,he will fly,and it's not like A can bust through his defence anyway.

I guess he is brainless since he did fought with one of the strongest character, Madara.

Te fact that Gaara had trouble catching Mizukage's clone gives me a conclusion that he is have a very low chance hitting A.
P.S. Ay bustes through Gaara's defence.
 

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Just like he did with Sasuke and Lee right?

he was pompous,and he did beat lee anyway,against sasuke he called shukaku his mother,not really much thought there,and he didnt think anyone could break his defence.



I guess he is brainless since he did fought with one of the strongest character, Madara.

Te fact that Gaara had trouble catching Mizukage's clone gives me a conclusion that he is have a very low chance hitting A.
P.S. Ay bustes through Gaara's defence.

he flew against madara when madara used his flower jutsu+it wasnt a one on one,he had other kages to protect. Besides,like i said,flight renders A useless,if gaara sees this,why wont he take it?.

A's attacking force is on ribcage susanoo level,hardly making gaara's defence work,and that was a sand clone that fought joki boy,once gaara came out,he caught it instantly
 

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he was pompous,and he did beat lee anyway,against sasuke he called shukaku his mother,not really much thought there,and he didnt think anyone could break his defence.





he flew against madara when madara used his flower jutsu+it wasnt a one on one,he had other kages to protect. Besides,like i said,flight renders A useless,if gaara sees this,why wont he take it?.

A's attacking force is on ribcage susanoo level,hardly making gaara's defence work,and that was a sand clone that fought joki boy,once gaara came out,he caught it instantly

Not answering my question though. At one stage in both his fights with Lee and Sasuke, he was casually getting blitzed over and over again. Why didn't he resort to going airborne then? It isn't IC for Gaara to do so, that's why.
 

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Onoki sucks ass.Nice thread.
 

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he was pompous,and he did beat lee anyway,against sasuke he called shukaku his mother,not really much thought there,and he didnt think anyone could break his defence.





he flew against madara when madara used his flower jutsu+it wasnt a one on one,he had other kages to protect. Besides,like i said,flight renders A useless,if gaara sees this,why wont he take it?.

A's attacking force is on ribcage susanoo level,hardly making gaara's defence work,and that was a sand clone that fought joki boy,once gaara came out,he caught it instantly

Again you are explaining everything I just explain Gaara simply level himself against his opponent and that includes attacks.

Wrong Gaara use bushin feint then later on use Gold to slow down the Joki Boy later.
 

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Not answering my question though. At one stage in both his fights with Lee and Sasuke, he was casually getting blitzed over and over again. Why didn't he resort to going airborne then? It isn't IC for Gaara to do so, that's why.

like i said,he was being manipulated by shukaku and his senses were not straight. However going by your logic,A would start in v1 cloak against gaara,despite knowing that gaara would turn the place to a desert if he dosent kill him quickly.


Again you are explaining everything I just explain Gaara simply level himself against his opponent and that includes attacks.

Wrong Gaara use bushin feint then later on use Gold to slow down the Joki Boy later.

look,if gaara feels that A would overpower him,he would fly,just bcos he didnt fly against others dosent mean A is the same,and even if he dosent fly,A cant break his defence anywaymso he wins.

Gaara was hiding in the ground all the while as the mizukage said,he dosent control gold,so he had to join it with his sand which took a while.
Here he is talking with onoki
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then suddenly,he is infrnt of the mizukage
did he get there so fast?.
Also look at this,joki boy's explosion
that the mizukage hasnt taken his eyes off gaara,

then look at what he says here
both blocked his explosion and attacked him leaving no sand to defend and therefore taking all the damage,however this is impossible for normal gaara,as his sand would protect him whether he wants it to or not.
Then here,the clone gets beaten,
the real gaara is hiding in the ground. Yet the gaara that was shown was on the air and in full view of the mizukage.
 

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I agree that gaara is the stronger/
 
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