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um ... not really that thread went in depth explaining the question. You just looked at the answer and gave a pretty sad reply. so then I guess I've no choice but to present each argument here to be countered.
So I well try to make this as rudimentary as possible as I tend to be verbose. Madara clearly compares her strength and speed to Ay'sYou must be registered for see images
The reason for comparing strength is obvious, they both have super strength so in order for the readers to know who is stronger Kishi directly tells us, despite there already being hints of this. Kishi goes on to further highlight this difference in strength in the battle. So why compare speed? I think that because he was about to show Tsunade is high speed combat, he wanted readers to know that speed is still Ay's thing. His shtick if you will. However, that would also serve as a way of telling readers that she is not slow as she was worthy of being compared in this regard.
Argument 1
We'll first start by showing that Tsunade cleared a fairly large distance quickly which prompted Madara's comment. This is how far away from Madara Tsunade started out,the distance is presented on the page starting 577 and again on page 3 where she covers the distance.You must be registered for see imagesFor those who claim because Kishi's proportions are sometimes off and that we shouldn't place much weight on the distance, then the distance seen on page 3 of chapter 577 should be the best approximation of distance to go by as that is the one used while she is closing the distance. Considering how fast the distance was closed, it is a natural conclusion that Tsunade moves quickly, and it was that quick motion to which Madara was referencing. I also find it odd, that Tsunade is the only character I've heard the "Kishi messed up on the distance, she didn't really move that fast" argument, when discussing speed feats. What I also find as odd, is that people claim Tsunade has never been said to be fast. Which is interesting considering, even in part 1 we saw her in one battle, a battle in which she was out of shape, and power levels were decreased. (I don't see some one trying to argue from part 1 feats in regards to any character who has a battle in part 2)The very next battle we've seen her in, Madara comments on her speed. And before she challenged Pein, she, in a fatigued state, managed to beat the Anbu to Pein and surprising SM NarutoYou must be registered for see imagesNotice the twitch in her eye, it means one of two things, either she noticed Pain was attacking, or that she realized she had reached her limit and could no more. The only thing which may remotely suggest average speed was the battle against Kabuto, who may I add is an evasion expert. And she still managed to surprise him a few times, as well as blitz her attendant, and catch Orochimaru off guard. But nothing has ever pointed to Tsunade being slow. Moving off of this tangent...You must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see images
Argument 2Now because this feat comes directly before Madara's comments on speed, we can gather that the two are related. Similarly the following feat happens only two pages after his comment on her speed.
In the scan that's about to be presented. Ay and Oonoki are coming toward Madara's susanoo for a blitz.Which is what serves to the reason that we can believe Tsunade is fast. A more careful examination of the page shows that Tsunade is no where in sight.You must be registered for see imagesIn fact, the last time we see her she is at the location where she punched his susanoo.You must be registered for see imagesAnother feature I'm not sure everyone had noticed, but Madara, had not seen her coming at all. Which means during that brief moment after Ay hit his susanoo and he looked at Ay she followed up without him seeing her coming.You must be registered for see imagesNow some may try to argue, that Ay in fact hit Madara to Tsunade, but this is not the case as we can see in the scan that was meant to be a closer examination of the page. But looking at the very next page we can see they all share close proximity.You must be registered for see imagesWhich means this speed feat for Tsunade is valid.You must be registered for see images
Argument 3
The next scan involves her on the offensive once again. She managed to get from up hereall the way to punching what seems to be a Madara who is trying to get away.You must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see imagesNow notice her position relative to the other kage.You must be registered for see images(This by the way is the distance at which she had traveled Not down to where Madara was but past that original position) At that point she was the person leading the offense and by Madara's admission he was forced to substitute himself with the Mokuton Bunshin.You must be registered for see imagesWhich would make it Tsunade pushing offense that made him resort to such measures.You must be registered for see images
Now notice the Distance Tsunade once again covers,and this time notice how far Tsunade's attack managed to make it before Madara could counter attack.You must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see images
Conclusion
All of the above indicate high speed movement.
Also for argument 3, you're assuming Ay was the only person attacking with Tsunade when they all left the branch and moved in closer to attack. And even still she placed Madara in the predicament was the point. It was ultimately her CQC which forced him to use a Mokuton Bunshin.
What I showed in regard to Tsunade.... twice she jumped in front of Orochimaru's blade shocking him because of how quickly she did it. And unless her will power knocked over Orochimaru, that would be a strike that he didn't predict.
So tell me about Tobirama's CQC feats and even his CQC hype. Now show me his Speed feats. Yes, Minato called him fast. But Minato was clearly talking about the reaction speed of the paper from edo tensei being stuck on juubito, as Tobirama couldn't avoid being hit. And his shunshin seems to be on par with the other kages.You must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see images
Also I'd like to point out a few more things, she and Ay scared the bejeesus out of Bee and Naruto.And I would like to point this out.You must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see images
well made analysis, but her speed is average.let us see about tobirama in the coming chapters.