Internet couples : Possible or just a Substitute?

[Aertes]

Hmmm it seems both you spent the majority of your posts arguing against the 'Love=Illogical' statement.
Just so we understand each other, it's already been proven possible. No? So, what's the argument? That it's logical? Yet, are you saying you don't understand why people do it? Your arguments are contradictory. Unless you're saying you just won't do it, well then okay.

I think the point of the thread was to discuss if such relationship can work in a long term basis, if there's any point on engaging to such relationships and if they can be as qualitative as"real life" relationships. The fact that there's a possibility for 1:1000 to happen doesn't answer any of this.

The mistake I see, is that you both restricted love to relationships only. Human reactions to applied love is enough to prove that love isn't logical. This thread displayed how some don't understand why people would engage in online relationships. Even in different cultures and societies, love is practiced differently. Yet, they are use to it. We can become trained to a tradition, but when we speak of love, how can we sure we aren't speaking though an influenced mind and heart? Influenced by our environment? We can easily look at another's culture practice of love, and look down it. Maybe not you, but let's not be naive, many people do it. Put simply, it's because you (again not necessarily you) don't understand it. As I said, love obeys the philosophy of no man. Man chooses to believe the philosophy they created during a certain era, another culture.

Even if I accept your statement that "love obeys the philosophy of no man" (which I can't cause I disagree so strongly) at the end, relationships are created by people and they are influenced by their actions. So all the talk about the 'mystical power of love' has no meaning since people rationalize it in their minds and act based on the concepts the society (meaning us humans) created for love.
I can accept online relationships as a way to satisfy our needs of communication and connection but I cannot compare them to a real relationship and a real connection and the "real concept of love" if you wish. Love is about accepting the other the way he/she is, among other things. How can you do so if you never get to really know him/her? I see no love here, I only see a substitute to fight loneliness. And that also applies in online friendships.

As for your questions, Chiharu. It just depends on my emotional connection to the person

That's my main argument. There's no real connection through the internet. There's only an assumption of a connection to be tested in circumstances of real life. This can fail so easily. Your online self is different from your face to face self, not necessarily because you pretend but because there's a huge difference in circumstances between typing through a pc and talking by looking the other into their eyes. So is that assumption of connection enough to base a relationship? A relationship that will last and actually go somewhere.

Personally.

That is the point right? To provide our personal opinions. I wish I could silence all the fools and speak for them, but unfortunately, I haven't find a way yet.
My evil plans for world domination won't seize though U_U

 

[Professor Finesser]

I feel it's just a substitute, and kinda antisocial IMO

 

[Disquiet]

I think the point of the thread was to discuss if such relationship can work in a long term basis, if there's any point on engaging to such relationships and if they can be as qualitative as"real life" relationships. The fact that there's a possibility for 1:1000 to happen doesn't answer any of this.

A made up statistic. It's possible.

Even if I accept your statement that "love obeys the philosophy of no man" (which I can't cause I disagree so strongly) at the end, relationships are created by people and they are influenced by their actions. So all the talk about the 'mystical power of love' has no meaning since people rationalize it in their minds and act based on the concepts the society (meaning us humans) created for love.

Pardon, when I say no man. I mean one's man philosophy and ideals on it does not apply to the concept of love as a whole. As you say, relationships are created by people. Actions and society differ, and most certainly isn't logical to everyone.

I can accept online relationships as a way to satisfy our needs of communication and connection but I cannot compare them to a real relationship and a real connection and the "real concept of love" if you wish. Love is about accepting the other the way he/she is, among other things. How can you do so if you never get to really know him/her? I see no love here, I only see a substitute to fight loneliness. And that also applies in online friendships.



That's my main argument. There's no real connection through the internet. There's only an assumption of a connection to be tested in circumstances of real life. This can fail so easily. Your online self is different from your face to face self, not necessarily because you pretend but because there's a huge difference in circumstances between typing through a pc and talking by looking the other into their eyes. So is that assumption of connection enough to base a relationship? A relationship that will last and actually go somewhere.

A post of mine. I don't disagree. However, people who engage in online relationships hope to one day meet. Again, the possibility question has already been answered.

No one's claiming it's not important. What? You think people enter these relationships without plans to meet/see other? Ever in life? Spend the entire relationship like this?...No.

Yes, physical attractions are important. And I'm guessing when you say physical attractions, you mean things like touching, kissing and so on. Your statement crashes because you are fairy-tailing a dream where no one seeks physical attractions.

The concept that you find idiotic does not even exist.

That is the point right? To provide our personal opinions. I wish I could silence all the fools and speak for them, but unfortunately, I haven't find a way yet.
My evil plans for world domination won't seize though U_U[/QUOTE]


As long as you realize that's your personal thinking about it.

And lol =D

 

[Frankenstein]

Again, just a made up statistic. There's no argument here. It's possible, no? I don't agree that it's just a game, but for argument's sake, even if I did, that doesn't mean everyone else who practices it believes so.

The thread's question has already been answered.

Does every society have planned marriages? Does every society even practice relationships the same as we do (I'm the U.S., I'm not sure where you live)? And that's just exercised on such a high stage that the world can see it, I'm sure people even practice it differently on personal levels. We can't fully grasp the concept of love. We can use our own reasoning though.

Well yeah, I've already told lots of people that physical contact is important. However, this argument is rooting from 'is it possible?' argument. Again, it's already been proven so. Nothing to discuss.

A post of mine from another thread.

If I understand your point, you are insinuating there's something more to gain from a close experience? I don't disagree.

However, this goes back to the subject of your thread. No? It's already been proven it's possible.

LOL you stick to the number? I just mean it's very very unlikely. Come on now, do I have to cite a dictionary to tell you the difference between "possible" and "unlikely"? You are from the U.S lol.
Well anyone who believes that a bond can be created through a pc is just immature. So yeah immature people will not believe so.
From your posts I understand that you have quite a twisted idea of what a relationship is. Maybe that's why you are so persistent.

Yes, the majority has said it's closer to "just a substitute". This time it's not a made up statistic. Again, when I say possible I don't mean "yeah it happened so it is". That's just twisted logic and mathematics. I am an engineer. To us, 1% is equal to "not worthy of consideration". Maybe you are a philosopher haha, I would accept that as a reason for your persistence. Then again no one ever consulted a philosopher for an investment

Again, tell that to Chiharu, not my job to refute this one

Hahaha are you a Nike ambassador? Impossible is nothing and all? A relationship without any actual face to face contact is just not healthy. I based my thread on the assumption that the 2 will eventually meet. Just online is not a relationship, it's just a game you can play to feel some void of communication.

No no, there is not "just something more to gain". You may say you know a person from an online talk that can last even months but that's gonna be very very very little compared to what you will get from a face to face convo that's gonna last 4 hours.

You have said "it's proven to be possible" 4 times!! A true Nike ambassador! =D

 

[Disquiet]

LOL you stick to the number? I just mean it's very very unlikely. Come on now, do I have to cite a dictionary to tell you the difference between "possible" and "unlikely"? You are from the U.S lol.
Well anyone who believes that a bond can be created through a pc is just immature. So yeah immature people will not believe so.
From your posts I understand that you have quite a twisted idea of what a relationship is. Maybe that's why you are so persistent.

Yes, the majority has said it's closer to "just a substitute". This time it's not a made up statistic. Again, when I say possible I don't mean "yeah it happened so it is". That's just twisted logic and mathematics. I am an engineer. To us, 1% is equal to "not worthy of consideration". Maybe you are a philosopher haha, I would accept that as a reason for your persistence. Then again no one ever consulted a philosopher for an investment

Again, tell that to Chiharu, not my job to refute this one

Hahaha are you a Nike ambassador? Impossible is nothing and all? A relationship without any actual face to face contact is just not healthy. I based my thread on the assumption that the 2 will eventually meet. Just online is not a relationship, it's just a game you can play to feel some void of communication.

No no, there is not "just something more to gain". You may say you know a person from an online talk that can last even months but that's gonna be very very very little compared to what you will get from a face to face convo that's gonna last 4 hours.

You have said "it's proven to be possible" 4 times!! A true Nike ambassador! =D

You came into the thread and asked if it's possible or just a substitute, what were you hoping for? If only one person posted and said 'No'. Would you then believe it's not possible? If only one person posted and said 'yes', would you then believe it's possible? I don't get your point. People have said it's happened to them or someone they know, or said they will at some time have to meet (which I agree with).

I don't get what you want from this thread?

 

[Frankenstein]

You came into the thread and asked if it's possible or just a substitute, what were you hoping for? If only one person posted and said 'No'. Would you then believe it's not possible? If only one person posted and said 'yes', would you then believe it's possible? I don't get your point. People have said it's happened to them or someone they know, or said they will at some time have to meet (which I agree with).

I don't get what you want from this thread?

Maybe argue? Yeah that would be cool. Can you do that? If not then accept it and don't tell me I am mistaken when you clearly can't even argue. Or you can but you don't want to and you choose to persist to that "logic".

I wanted to discuss this subject with people who are capable to bring forth arguments for or against either of the sides. Most of them did so and I hope more will do so too.

What do you want from this thread?

 

[Souji]

I've seen it, it's... interesting... for lack of a better term =.=

 

[Disquiet]

Maybe argue? Yeah that would be cool. Can you do that? If not then accept it and don't tell me I am mistaken when you clearly can't even argue. Or you can but you don't want to and you choose to persist to that "logic".

I wanted to discuss this subject with people who are capable to bring forth arguments for or against either of the sides. Most of them did so and I hope more will do so too.

What do you want from this thread?

Calm down lol

Argue? You're either going to get people that says 'No'. It doesn't seem like you're not going to be willing to argue against them. You're going to get the people that says it's a substitute. It seems as if you agree with that as well. You're going to get the people that says they will eventually have to meet. It seems as if you agree with that as well. You're going to get the people that says yes it's possible. But how can you tell them it's not when there's people posting that it's happened to them or someone they know? So this thread is about informing people that the chances of success isn't that great. I think they already know that.


Open-mindedness to the fact that everyone is different, and will be so in their methods of establishing a relationship.

 

[Aertes]

EDIT- I wonder what was the motive behind this thread.

Frankenstein is looking for a little e-romance. The thread is made to scout the situation and discover his next e-girlfriend.

A made up statistic. It's possible.

Many things are possible. Does this possibility provide anything constructive for relationships? That is the question.

A post of mine. I don't disagree. However, people who engage in online relationships hope to one day meet. Again, the possibility question has already been answered.

Sure, they do. The possibility has been answered but the substituted question remains.

As long as you realize that's your personal thinking about it.
And lol =D

I do realize it. Otherwise, that personally wouldn't be there.
Don't laugh at my plans, you will also be a victim of my meticulous planning U_U

Maybe argue? Yeah that would be cool. Can you do that? If not then accept it and don't tell me I am mistaken when you clearly can't even argue. Or you can but you don't want to and you choose to persist to that "logic".

Oououou, down boy

I wanted to discuss this subject with people who are capable to bring forth arguments for or against either of the sides. Most of them did so and I hope more will do so too.

You want to get some e-booty. There's no point in denying it U_U

 

[Frankenstein]

Calm down lol

Argue? You're either going to get people that says 'No'. It doesn't seem like you're going to be willing to argue against them. You're going to get the people that says it's a substitute. It seems as if you agree with that as well. You're going to get the people that says they will eventually have to meet. It seems as if you agree with that as well. You're going to get the people that says yes it's possible. But how can you tell them it's not when there's people posting that it's happened to them or someone they know? So this thread is about informing people that the chances of success isn't that great. I think they already know that.


Open-mindedness to the fact that everyone is different, and will be so in their methods of establishing a relationship.

Telling me to calm down is a cheap trick when you have nothing to say.

Oh I am more than willing but they, and with they I mean you, apparently are either not capable or they don't know how to argue properly. Dodging arguments spoils the fun.

Well no, the purpose of the thread was stated in the OP. Stop using silly on me if you can't answer properly, those are cheap tricks. Either counter my arguments or stop answering. I am not interested in playing with you.

Well yeah, I didn't say anything towards the opposite direction. Actually I am not even arguing against the fact that it might work. But you can't understand what I mean anyway so there's no point to continue.

You didn't answer though. What do you want from this thread? You are really persistent after all!! =D

Frankenstein is looking for a little e-romance. The thread is made to scout the situation and discover his next e-girlfriend.

Oououou, down boy

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You want to get some e-booty. There's no point in denying it

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Well, from what I said it's not like I am so for it!

You have seen me agitated. You can compare and contrast so stop the trollage lol.

I told you many times that I don't even prefer the booty!! Why are you insisting so much? =D

 

[Paramour]

There's no point to it if the person you are dating with is not willing to meet in real life.

 

[Disquiet]

Frankenstein is looking for a little e-romance. The thread is made to scout the situation and discover his next e-girlfriend.

Many things are possible. Does this possibility provide anything constructive for relationships? That is the question.

Then you/him better start replying to the people that it has worked out for, like Heelz for example.

Sure, they do. The possibility has been answered but the substituted question remains.

The thread maker disagrees.

I do realize it. Otherwise, that personally wouldn't be there.
Don't laugh at my plans, you will also be a victim of my meticulous planning U_U

I look forward to that.

Telling me to calm down is a cheap trick when you have nothing to say.

Oh I am more than willing but they, and with they I mean you, apparently are either not capable or they don't know how to argue properly. Dodging arguments spoils the fun.

Well no, the purpose of the thread was stated in the OP. Stop using silly on me if you can't answer properly, those are cheap tricks. Either counter my arguments or stop answering. I am not interested in playing with you.

Well yeah, I didn't say anything towards the opposite direction. Actually I am not even arguing against the fact that it might work. But you can't understand what I mean anyway so there's no point to continue.

You didn't answer though. What do you want from this thread? You are really persistent after all!! =D

You've become too hostile, man. Yes yes, I don't know how to argue. You win, I lose. *waits for more hostility*

I did answer. =D

 

[Frankenstein]

Then you/him better start replying to the people that it has worked out for, like Heelz for example.

The thread maker disagrees.

I look forward to that.
You've become too hostile, man. Yes yes, I don't know how to argue. You win, I lose. *waits for more hostility*

I did answer. =D

I have already answered to people who are for it and/or know someone for whom it worked. Heelz wasn't really helpful, too little info (and I honestly I am not interested in more lol!)

Hahahaha don't tell me you are scared or about to start sobbing are you?
Well if you had provided even one argument, one, not many, I wouldn't say that. But you aren't helping your case. I actually don't intend to beat you, you are the one who intends to play games instead of discussing.

Oh come on I don't buy that, angel, there has to be more than that. So please answer more truthfully.

 

[Aertes]

Telling me to calm down is a cheap trick when you have nothing to say.

Oh I am more than willing but they, and with they I mean you, apparently are either not capable or they don't know how to argue properly. Dodging arguments spoils the fun.

Well no, the purpose of the thread was stated in the OP. Stop using silly on me if you can't answer properly, those are cheap tricks. Either counter my arguments or stop answering. I am not interested in playing with you.

Well yeah, I didn't say anything towards the opposite direction. Actually I am not even arguing against the fact that it might work. But you can't understand what I mean anyway so there's no point to continue.

You didn't answer though. What do you want from this thread? You are really persistent after all!! =D

Oooh watermelon makes you so aggressive.
*Noted for future use*

Well, from what I said it's not like I am so for it!

You have seen me agitated. You can compare and contrast so stop the trollage lol.

I told you many times that I don't even prefer the booty!! Why are you insisting so much? =D

Cause there's no valid expressions for anything else! People say "booty-call", not "titties-call". It's not my problem that you are socially maladjusted (not even sure this is a valid term, but you're that.)

The thread maker disagrees.

The thread maker is not allowed to disagree with me, so you're mistaken U_U

I look forward to that.

Nice, nice, come to the dark side....

 

[Frankenstein]

Oooh watermelon makes you so aggressive.
*Noted for future use*

Cause there's no valid expressions for anything else! People say "booty-call", not "titties-call". It's not my problem that you are socially maladjusted (not even sure this is a valid term, but you're that.)

The thread maker is not allowed to disagree with me, so you're mistaken U_U

Nice, nice, come to the dark side....

It's all sugar and water. It would actually only calm me down U_U

Maladjusted? LMAO!! Google translate ftw!

The thread maker replies when he is referred to directly and would prefer not to be referred to indirectly.

 

[Disquiet]

I have already answered to people who are for it and/or know someone for whom it worked. Heelz wasn't really helpful, too little info (and I honestly I am not interested in more lol!)

You say I'm dodging arguments, but anyone reasonable person can see you aren't making much sense, it's all throughout the thread now. You asked Janin this and that, when several people have confirmed having done the things you asked her. You now even say you know someone who has done it. Be honest, you know you are all over the place. >.>

Hahahaha don't tell me you are scared or about to start sobbing are you?

I'm already scared, and my feels are already hurt. Too late for that. D:

if you had provided even one argument, one, not many, I wouldn't say that. But you aren't helping your case. I actually don't intend to beat you, you are the one who intends to play games instead of discussing.

This again. >.> I already pointed out how useless it would be to argue with you, based on your displayed mindset through this thread. It doesn't have a point. >.>

Oh come on I don't buy that, angel, there has to be more than that. So please answer more truthfully.

Nice, nice, come to the dark side....

I am the dark, you come to me...

 

[Frankenstein]

You say I'm dodging arguments, but anyone reasonable person can see you aren't making much sense, it's all throughout the thread now. You asked Janin this and that, when several people have confirmed having done the things you asked her. You now even say you know someone who has done it. Be honest, you know you are all over the place. >.>



I'm already scared, and my feels are already hurt. Too late for that. D:



This again. >.> I already pointed out how useless it would be to argue with you, based on your displayed mindset through this thread. It doesn't have a point. >.>












I am the dark, you come to me...

Well I didn't see you actually expose any of the things you say so again, stop the cheap tricks and argue, if you can that is.

Hahaha =D

You know what? That's pathetic. Sorry but that's how it is. Either make an argument or get off my thread. You are just embarrassing yourself to anyone with half a brain.
You know why "it has no point"? Because you can't counter any of what I said. If you could you would but you can't so you won't. It's like you are making childish excuses.

I do know many people who tried it and failed or are about to fail. I actually don't know anybody who managed to built a healthy and stable relationship out of it.

I can't handle the truth? Why is that? I don't even care about your reasons in the first place, why wouldn't I be able to handle them?

Seriously man, please don't give me any more of this, I am bored too easily to reply anymore.

Either bring an ----->argument<----- countering one of mine (I can't make it any more clear than that, even a monkey would understand it) or pretend that I am wrong and you and I will be both happy. You can convince yourself after all it seems hahahaha.

 

[Disquiet]

Well I didn't see you actually expose any of the things you say so again, stop the cheap tricks and argue, if you can that is.

Hahaha =D

You know what? That's pathetic. Sorry but that's how it is. Either make an argument or get off my thread. You are just embarrassing yourself to anyone with half a brain.
You know why "it has no point"? Because you can't counter any of what I said. If you could you would but you can't so you won't. It's like you are making childish excuses.

I do know many people who tried it and failed or are about to fail. I actually don't know anybody who managed to built a healthy and stable relationship out of it.

I can't handle the truth? Why is that? I don't even care about your reasons in the first place, why wouldn't I be able to handle them?

Seriously man, please don't give me any more of this, I am bored too easily to reply anymore.

Either bring an ----->argument<----- countering one of mine (I can't make it any more clear than that, even a monkey would understand it) or pretend that I am wrong and you and I will be both happy. You can convince yourself after all it seems hahahaha.

No matter how many times you keep saying that, anyone with half a brain will go over your replies, the posts made in this thread, the back and forth between me and you (which I actually agreed on the point of physical contact being important and have done so before this thread)and will see that this thread is exactly what I summed up:

Calm down lol

Argue? You're either going to get people that says 'No'. It doesn't seem like you're not going to be willing to argue against them. You're going to get the people that says it's a substitute. It seems as if you agree with that as well. You're going to get the people that says they will eventually have to meet. It seems as if you agree with that as well. You're going to get the people that says yes it's possible. But how can you tell them it's not when there's people posting that it's happened to them or someone they know? So this thread is about informing people that the chances of success isn't that great. I think they already know that.

You basically help defeat your own counters throughout your posts as well, but you fail to see that.


As for the truth stuff, there is no other reason I have in this thread. But you seem to be seeking entertainment, so I'd thought I return some.

Anyways, I guess this is bye then. =D I'm off to get me some e-booty. You're welcome to talk to yourself.

 

[Frankenstein]

No matter how many times you keep saying that, anyone with half a brain will go over your replies, the posts made in this thread, the back and forth between me and you (which I actually agreed on the point of physical contact being important and have done so before this thread)and will see that this thread is exactly what I summed up:




You basically help defeat your own counters throughout your posts as well, but you fail to see that.


As for the truth stuff, there is no other reason I have in this thread. But you seem to be seeking entertainment, so I'd thought I return some.

Anyways, I guess this is bye then. =D I'm off to get me some e-booty. You're welcome to talk to yourself.

Again the same shit. You are full of it apparently. Oh well, your problem, I am not Mother Teresa so no need to open your eyes or anything.

Good good I see you chose the "pretend I am wrong" option. Predictable.
Well you decided to get out so I can't complain.

Bye bye and have fun with yourself

 

[shelke]

Internet Romance is downright pathetic and ludicrous. It just shows you are incapable to form any relationship in the real world. God, what is the world coming to that believe believe they have this 'soul mate' thing going on via sexting? They are retards and grade A+ ones at that.