madara>hashirama (no trolling)

[Bronze]

Not at all, we're the only ones who are actually making sense. You haven't put anything that counters us and the only people I see on this thread are Madara fanboy's, with their Madara avatars, signatures, fanboy clubs that state to always say Madara is better and so on.

he is stronger and better. he has EMS+mokuton+rinnegan which makes him stronger than hashirama. why cant you understand this? i will never know.

 

[Erza Scarlet]

Also if Madara was just aiming for Hashirama's DNA why not do it a simple way like pretending to be good and help Hashirama for a little while and then get it, instead of getting destroyed and placed in a cave with the only way to survive is by being hooked to a statue...

 

[Cooh]

Not at all, we're the only ones who are actually making sense. You haven't put anything that counters us and the only people I see on this thread are Madara fanboy's, with their Madara avatars, signatures, fanboy clubs that state to always say Madara is better and so on.

Theres enough in this topic you're just in denial.

 

[Erza Scarlet]

he is stronger and better. he has EMS+mokuton+rinnegan which makes him stronger than hashirama. why cant you understand this? i will never know.

Tell me how Madara's Mokuton works against Hashirama, tell me how Hashirama gets beaten by any Rinnegan techniques? EMS is out of the question, Hashirama soloed both EMS Madara and Kurama so EMS is nothing for Hashirama to worry about.

 

[Draphsin]

He still had some control over Madara, that's why, if he saw him even start to perform the Edo Tensei hand signs he wouldn't just stand there and allow him to do them. He would block him from doing it, Itachi is a different example, he had full control but the crow came from Naruto and use a technique to cancel out the control from Edo Tensei. Madara didn't do it before it was being released and Hashirama did, at around 80% power as well.

Look at the speed in which madara formed the handsigns for the release.

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You're telling me that kabuto would be able to stop madara from doing that? Sorry but no.

 

[KingHashirama]

1-madara hated fighting when he was a child. so when his dad came he made an excuse to persuade his dad that hashirama was stronger. but in reality hashirama was never stronger.

2-good brother saves his brother.

3-

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why am i seeing countless senjus? oh yeah cuz madara was fighting them alone.

4-obito who got that knowledge from madara.

1. Madara hated fighting? wth are you talking about .... him and Hashirama fought for fun.. Where is the scan that says Hashirama was never stronger? =].

2. Doesn't solve that fact he got told by Hashirama.

3. Oh idk, maybe theyt came cause Hashirama was fighting..... where is the proof they fought? As i recall Madara challenged Hashirama only.

4. Madara said he escaped death... he sure in hell didn't say he faked it =]

No...You missed the whole point, I said that madara could break free at any time, their methods are obviously different but they still broke free. Itachi is still under kabuto's edo though because he didnt overwrite the contract, just the command.

Its the same because it proves that the possibility of breaking free while being controlled is possible, Itachi used a jutsu to break free yes, madara did too, but fact is that they could have done so during any point in time throughout their fights.

Itachi did not break free, he overrided the comand. Hashirama also has not broken free, because he can't be controlled. Only Madara has broken free because did the seals.

Here is the thing if he is binded , how could he break free? He can't.

 

[Erza Scarlet]

Theres enough in this topic you're just in denial.

Stop spamming what I said once. I said that you're in denial because you are. You're only saying it to me because you're mad that I said it to you. Deal with it.

Look at the speed in which madara formed the handsigns for the release.

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You're telling me that kabuto would be able to stop madara from doing that? Sorry but no.

Then tell me why he didn't release it before the Edo Tensei wasn't being broken, I have more proof that he had to wait for it to be broken to break out as he did.

 

[Murasame]

Not at all, we're the only ones who are actually making sense. You haven't put anything that counters us and the only people I see on this thread are Madara fanboy's, with their Madara avatars, signatures, fanboy clubs that state to always say Madara is better and so on.

You and the ones supporting Hashirama shouldn't be the ones to talk either.. You guys are declaring Hashirama the winner already when you don't take into consideration that Hashirama wasn't revived at full power while Madara was revived beyond his prime. I'm just saying that may play a part in who wins and it seems the fight is in favor of Madara.. I'm staying neutral on this as it can go either way but don't complain if hashirama loses because people like Madara Rules are going to boast and rub it in your faces. PS may be his strongest technique but that doesn't mean he just has to use it only.. while in it he can sumon meteors too.. He may have more to show so don't count him out.

 

[Draphsin]

I'm pretty sure Itachi was still on auto pilot at that point unless you show me otherwise... Madara was in control of himself if I remember correctly so I don't see why he can't break out whenever he wanted too. The only reason he decided to break out w is because the jutsu was being undone.. I'm pretty sure it's obvious he was going to do that at that point he had no reason before hand to do so.

There is also proof to back up this statement.

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"cant be helped" Proving that madara had to do it now otherwise he would disappear. If he couldnt break out whenever he wanted to then he would've said "now's my chance", because this would be his only chance to become break the contract (according to Erza's logic).

 

[Cooh]

Stop spamming what I said once. I said that you're in denial because you are. You're only saying it to me because you're mad that I said it to you. Deal with it.

I just put it in the right way and no I'm not really mad just amused , we should get back to this topic once Madara stomped hashi.

 

[Bronze]

Tell me how Madara's Mokuton works against Hashirama, tell me how Hashirama gets beaten by any Rinnegan techniques? EMS is out of the question, Hashirama soloed both EMS Madara and Kurama so EMS is nothing for Hashirama to worry about.

first of all i can include EMS cuz they still give him an edge against hashirama.
since madara has destroyed all of hashirama's mokuton techs apart from the buddah, so his mokuton is giving him an edge.

hashirama proceeds it gets destroyed by the meteor.

 

[Murasame]

1. Madara hated fighting? wth are you talking about .... him and Hashirama fought for fun.. Where is the scan that says Hashirama was never stronger? =].

2. Doesn't solve that fact he got told by Hashirama.

3. Oh idk, maybe theyt came cause Hashirama was fighting..... where is the proof they fought? As i recall Madara challenged Hashirama only.

4. Madara said he escaped death... he sure in hell didn't say he faked it =]




Itachi did not break free, he overrided the comand. Hashirama also has not broken free, because he can't be controlled. Only Madara has broken free because did the seals.

Here is the thing if he is binded , how could he break free? He can't.

Thing is he wasn't @bold so idk why you guys are arguing about this since Madara was in full control of himself meaning he could've broken out any time unless Kabuto decided to bind him.

 

[Erza Scarlet]

There is also proof to back up this statement.

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"cant be helped" Proving that madara had to do it now otherwise he would disappear. If he couldnt break out whenever he wanted to then he would've said "now's my chance", because this would be his only chance to become break the contract (according to Erza's logic).

Why would he want to stay under any control? He would have broken it before but he didn't and when did he? When Edo Tensei was being broken, you're actually just stating an opinion while it's fact that he only did it when Edo Tensei was being broken. That's that.

 

[KingHashirama]

You and the ones supporting Hashirama shouldn't be the ones to talk either.. You guys are declaring Hashirama the winner already when you don't take into consideration that Hashirama wasn't revived at full power while Madara was revived beyond his prime. I'm just saying that may play a part in who wins and it seems the fight is in favor of Madara.. I'm staying neutral on this as it can go either way but don't complain if hashirama loses because people like Madara Rules are going to boast and rub it in your faces. PS may be his strongest technique but that doesn't mean he just has to use it only.. while in it he can sumon meteors too.. He may have more to show so don't count him out.

@ BOld and underline...... same for Hashirama *_*

Thing is he wasn't @bold so idk why you guys are arguing about this since Madara was in full control of himself meaning he could've broken out any time unless Kabuto decided to bind him.

highly false. He was ALLOWED to be free. Since he was on Kabuto's side.

Hashirama is capable of resisting the bind that is times stronger then Kabuto's. That is the difference between those 2.

And why are you interfering when you do not even get the whole convo mate. the point is if Kabuto didn't let Madara roam free.. he couldn't have broken out... same for Itachi. Tobirama and Hashirama are superior in that regard.

 

[Erza Scarlet]

first of all i can include EMS cuz they still give him an edge against hashirama.
since madara has destroyed all of hashirama's mokuton techs apart from the buddah, so his mokuton is giving him an edge.

hashirama proceeds it gets destroyed by the meteor.

You're going to need to answer the full question because this was horrid.

EMS gives him extra things to use but it's not anything Hashirama can't handle with ease as he did handle him while also fighting Kurama. Now explain how anything else works on Hashirama?

@ BOld and underline...... same for Hashirama *_*

Yes this and @Biju Naruto, I'm talking about non-Edo Hashirama not Edo Hashirama...

 

[Gerkak]

Maybe, maybe not. Madara told the five kages that his full power was perfect susanoo. And hashirama already beat that + kyuubi. Granted madara has gotten stronger with rinnegan and mokuton, so we can't be sure but I think edo madara = edo sage mode hashirama. But since sage mode has a time limit madara might be at an advantage. but we can't tell until we see.:yeah:

 

[Bronze]

1. Madara hated fighting? wth are you talking about .... him and Hashirama fought for fun.. Where is the scan that says Hashirama was never stronger? =].

2. Doesn't solve that fact he got told by Hashirama.

3. Oh idk, maybe theyt came cause Hashirama was fighting..... where is the proof they fought? As i recall Madara challenged Hashirama only.

4. Madara said he escaped death... he sure in hell didn't say he faked it =]

1-madara clearly was making an excuse so that his father can be persuaded. but hashirama fanboys are ignorant.

2-like i said before madara got away because of his brother and not because of hashirama.

3-why the hell were the senjus injured and had scratches? because they were fighting madara.

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4-madara told obito that he was fighting for the DNA and not to kill hashirama. unless you're telling me obito was lying.

 

[Draphsin]

Itachi did not break free, he overrided the comand. Hashirama also has not broken free, because he can't be controlled. Only Madara has broken free because did the seals.

Here is the thing if he is binded , how could he break free? He can't.

lol missed the point again. They all broke free, they are in control of their actions with no restraint from others.

& when would madara ever be binded by edo tensei? Kabuto would never do that to his trump card. edos are fodder while under full control & kabuto would rather have madara show him the power he possesses. Kabuto under no circumstances (even to kill) would completely bind madara.

Then tell me why he didn't release it before the Edo Tensei wasn't being broken?

Because he didnt HAVE TO, this is painfully obvious...Madara is lazy & patient when it comes to doing things, he loves to wait around, that's his character. He waited to pull out PS, he waited around before going to collect kurama, he waited around for the juubi, he wanted to wait before performing I/T, & he currently stopped waiting to use his trump card. & there is proof of all the aforementioned statements.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Why would he want to stay under any control? He would have broken it before but he didn't and when did he? When Edo Tensei was being broken, you're actually just stating an opinion while it's fact that he only did it when Edo Tensei was being broken. That's that.

actually no, he didn't release the edo tensei because he didn't need too and kabuto never really controlled him (he summoned him and tolled him something like "show me the true power of the uchiha" never restricted his movement/power).
he did it to stay in the fight (not to disappear). IF kabuto tried to restrict madara in anyway, he could have released the seal at that time but that never happened (he can do it when ever he wants).

 

[KingHashirama]

Oh all the fact that you Madara fans believe Edo Madara IS Madara.. is a sign of fanboyism.

Edo Madara is not Madara Uchiha until becomes a HUMAN. Even right now he is a dead body that doesn't count as a person.

lol missed the point again. They all broke free, they are in control of their actions with no restraint from others.

& when would madara ever be binded by edo tensei? Kabuto would never do that to his trump card. edos are fodder while under full control & kabuto would rather have madara show him the power he possesses. Kabuto under no circumstances (even to kill) would completely bind madara.

-sigh-. If Orochimaru were to release Edo tensei.... Hashirama would need to do the seals to stay... meaning he still hasn't broken out of it. He just can't be controlled by it. Unlike Madara and others.

When Kabuto decides he wants to bind Madara..... . What is stopping Kabuto from binding him? And again by this you avoid the point that , Hashirama is on a another level..by himself. Madara has always been the one who needed to catch up to him.

There is no scenario where its MAdara > Hashirama..... for the simple fact that Edo Madara doesn't count as Madara....