madara>hashirama (no trolling)

[RikudouMadara]

Uh, no Edo Madara isn't a million times stronger than EMS Madara. That's plain idiotic.

Yes a million is a way overboard if you ask me. But no one asked me. :T_T::NO:

 

[Erza Scarlet]

1-hashirama has did the mokuton bunshin at the right time when madara was out of chakra. and if he did have chakra why didnt he heal himself? oh wait cuz he ran out of chakra.

2-madara has enough confidence that he can beat hashirama right now.

feats:

madara:
drops meteors
creates life
creates giant monsters
eyes of god
immortal
defeating the gokage


hashirama:
defeating EMS madara+kyuubi.
had multiple bijuus under his suppression abilities.

yeah madara's feats>>>>>>>>>hashirama's feats.

He thought he could beat him before with Kurama as well but look how that turned out, he had to stay inside a cave for the rest of his life with him attached to a statue and if anyone disconnected him he would have died.

 

[Champ]

Already knew this

 

[Cooh]

So when someone says "I will show you my true power" or anything close to that and then pulls out his strongest power, means that it's not his strongest? Madara said so himself in that page and then pulled out Perfect Susano'o showing that it's his strongest.

No, I don't think that showing a single techinque is displaying his true power, he just meant he's serious now and he's going all out.

 

[Erza Scarlet]

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He said "You've been completed beyond what you were in your prime", he never said he was a million or even a lot stronger, just that he had more power than he was in his prime, and for your information, that's not with Kurama.

 

[Bronze]

He thought he could beat him before with Kurama as well but look how that turned out, he had to stay inside a cave for the rest of his life with him attached to a statue and if anyone disconnected him he would have died.

not really cuz madara was only fighting for the DNA and he gained it and look where he is right now.

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[Draphsin]

Hashirama proved HE could break free at any time as he has the power to, if that's true then tell me why Tobirama couldn't break free at any time? He was the first person to use it, has Senju DNA but still couldn't.

U_U

Hashi proved that edo tensei can be broken, fact. Hashi broke it, & madara broke it, their methods are different but that doesnt matter in the slightest.

Tobirama couldnt break free because he was still being restrained so he couldnt form handsigns. Hashi doesnt need handsigns because the power he was given was enough to allow him to break it.

Tobirama was stopped by Orochimaru and if Madara tried to break free, Kabuto would have stopped him as well. Madara only had the chance because it was being released and he now has nobody controlling him, the same would work for Tobirama as well. At the moment the only person that's able to break out of control at anytime even while being controlled is Hashirama, which he showed when Orochimaru tried stopping them both and he could only stop Tobirama.

Tobirama never got restrained until he revealed his intent to break edo himself, lol. You think madara is gonna announce his plan to kabuto before he slowly makes the necessary handsigns? sorry but no... Madara can simply sneak in the right handsigns in with 1 of his clones, he could use the handsigns in place of a katon jutsu. The possibilities are endless..

Madara can easily break edo tensei's connection since kabuto has no restrain over his body, & by the time kabuto tries to restrain him then its too late & he is free. All it takes is a simple weave of the hands .

 

[Erza Scarlet]

No, I don't think that showing a single techinque is displaying his true power, he just meant he's serious now and he's going all out.

Exactly! He's now going all out with his Perfect Susano'o, meaning his Perfect Susano'o is better than the Meteor. If you deny this then you're denying yourself as if he was only just starting to go full out why would he use the Meteor before? That means the Perfect Susano'o is better or he would have used that and then said "I'm now going full out" and then pulls out the Meteor.

not really cuz madara was only fighting for the DNA and he gained it and look where he is right now.

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... Obito said that not Madara, keep trying...

 

[KidGamer65]

You are phrasing Ad ignorantiam; an unsightly fallacy. It has already been canonically stated that Hashirama is technically Madara's equivalent while in his prime:

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This is highlighted in the fact that neither of the two were able to kill the other and Madara, though he lost made away with a single wound and a full recovery; and also that Madara fought Hashirama out of Sennin Modo even given it's advantages. Hashirama cannot be stronger than Madara now that his Edo Tensei state is not beyond his prime but is technically a perfect reflection of the Rikudo being Uchiha and Senju in one body as well as wielding his Doujutsu. [+ eternal life ect]

A weakened Nagato was able to subdue the kyuubi through Deva path [a singe section of the Rin'negan's power] and you actually believe EMS Madara + Kyuubi > Rin'negan wielding Edo Madara?
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lol? Now you're saying EMS Madara=Hashirama? Being able to fight on equal grounds with someone doesn't mean you are equal with them in power. Madara is weaker but not by a far enough margin that Hashirama will completely dominate him in battle.

I really hope you aren't referring to Kabuto's statement of Madara being beyond his prime, cause he actually said that you've been completed beyond your prime. Since when did that mean he was stronger? Never.

A weakened Nagato didn't subdue the Kyuubi. He formed his complete Chibaku Tensei and an 8-Tailed Naruto broke free of it.

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Then he started coughing of blood and CT fell apart.

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Not to mention that this is a rampaging 50% Eight Tailed Kyuubi. Not a 100%, full power Kyuubi being controlled by someone instead of it going wild.

When he shows something that lets him beat the Buddha then he can defeat Hashirama.

I already posted the picture about the meteors size and it makes the mountains in the picture look puny, so your statement again is false.

Madara going full power doesn't mean PS is stronger then the Meteor, where's the logic? The only reason he destroyed distant Mountains with Susanoo is that he can control the impact which means he slashed in a direction and laid everything to waist in it's path. With the Meteor he can't control where the impact should head too, it just spreads around the impact zone.

Those aren't Mountains in the scan you posted, not to mention the Meteor is high up in the air while the rock structures are on the ground, the farther away things are the smaller they seem. Blind much?

Madara said PS is his full power. Its his strongest tech. Meteor is one of his techs so PS stronger than Meteor. He destroyed distant Mountains cause it was strong enough to do so, Meteor wasn't. Its really as simple as that.

 

[Erza Scarlet]

U_U

Hashi proved that edo tensei can be broken, fact. Hashi broke it, & madara broke it, their methods are different but that doesnt matter in the slightest.

Tobirama couldnt break free because he was still being restrained so he couldnt form handsigns. Hashi doesnt need handsigns because the power he was given was enough to allow him to break it.



Tobirama never got restrained until he revealed his intent to break edo himself, lol. You think madara is gonna announce his plan to kabuto before he slowly makes the necessary handsigns? sorry but no... Madara can simply sneak in the right handsigns in with 1 of his clones, he could use the handsigns in place of a katon jutsu. The possibilities are endless..

Madara can easily break edo tensei's connection since kabuto has no restrain over his body, & by the time kabuto tries to restrain him then its too late & he is free. All it takes is a simple weave of the hands .

I usually agree with you but you're wrong this time, Hashirama was the only one to show that he can break out while being controlled, Madara has yet to and has only shown it when it was being released. There's no proof otherwise while there is proof that he only tried when it was being released.

Edit: Edo Tensei is a lot weaker and easier to break free from when it's being released

 

[Waltz]

He said "You've been completed beyond what you were in your prime", he never said he was a million or even a lot stronger, just that he had more power than he was in his prime, and for your information, that's not with Kurama.

@ Bold: The Kyuubi was apart of Madara's arsenal in

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...it is his summon.

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[Cooh]

Exactly! He's now going all out with his Perfect Susano'o, meaning his Perfect Susano'o is better than the Meteor. If you deny this then you're denying yourself as if he was only just starting to go full out why would he use the Meteor before? That means the Perfect Susano'o is better or he would have used that and then said "I'm now going full out" and then pulls out the Meteor.

Omg just no, Susanoo is Off+Def, he needed defense because the kages caused him trouble, that's the reason why he used it and that's not what going all out means in my eyes

 

[KingHashirama]

Lets look at all their confrontations:

first time: Madara admits inferiority.

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Second time : Madara runs away

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Third time: Madara gets pawned, why? Because he pissed off Hashirama

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Fourth time: He claimed to be stronger then Hashirama.... but then this happened

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Noone would have a problem with you guys claiming Edo Madara > Hashirama or Edo Hashirama.... when Madara shows it. So far it is your assumption.

 

[Bronze]

... Obito said that not Madara, keep trying...

yeah obito is pretending to be madara. and it was madara who gave obito this knowledge.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yeah, but hashirama's cells boosts your strength and power.
You're right, the mokuton techniques are weak when facing the shinsuusenju. The thing is, madara can use tengai shinsei more than once(he used two meteors) and He can use the PS(which can be stronger now, because of hashirama's cells).
When the atacks clashed, the shinsuusenju also cracked and hashirama's sage mode ran out. I don't know what happens to the sage mode used by an edo tensei, though.
So, if madara's PS in kyuubi is slightly below shinsuusenju, what would the current PS + tengai shinsei do to the shinsuusenju? They might get in the same lvl, or stay slightly below. If madara displays any rinnegan technique(which he never showed us, but maybe he can, maybe he cant use), this would give him a great advantage, IF the techniques are ued.
For now, I think that they are on the same level, but if hashirama's sage mode runs out after the shinsuusenju, hashirama might lose.

Hashirama's cells don't make your techniques stronger.

lol, that is not how techniques work at all. How is he going to attack with PS and the Meteors at the same time when he needs his Susanoo to make the hand signs to call the meteors down? That would lead to Hashirama countering them then him attacking with PS only to get it destroyed.

The only way Hashirama loses to Madara as of now, is if he gets outlasted. Edo Hashirama fixes that problem.

 

[Erza Scarlet]

Omg just no, Susanoo is Off+Def, he needed defense because the kages caused him trouble, that's the reason why he used it and that's not what going all out means in my eyes

It's the way it was said, that's him going full out, using his best techniques (when he pulled out Perfect Susano'o)...

 

[RikudouMadara]

U_U

Hashi proved that edo tensei can be broken, fact. Hashi broke it, & madara broke it, their methods are different but that doesnt matter in the slightest.

Tobirama couldnt break free because he was still being restrained so he couldnt form handsigns. Hashi doesnt need handsigns because the power he was given was enough to allow him to break it.



Tobirama never got restrained until he revealed his intent to break edo himself, lol. You think madara is gonna announce his plan to kabuto before he slowly makes the necessary handsigns? sorry but no... Madara can simply sneak in the right handsigns in with 1 of his clones, he could use the handsigns in place of a katon jutsu. The possibilities are endless..

Madara can easily break edo tensei's connection since kabuto has no restrain over his body, & by the time kabuto tries to restrain him then its too late & he is free. All it takes is a simple weave of the hands .

I agree with this...imho you are correct concerning the breaking of Edo...you win imho.:yayy:

 

[Erza Scarlet]

@ Bold: The Kyuubi was apart of Madara's arsenal in

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...it is his summon.

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Obito could summon it as well but that's not his summon either he just had control on it.

 

[Bronze]

Lets look at all their confrontations:

first time: Madara admits inferiority.

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Second time : Madara runs away

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Third time: Madara gets pawned, why? Because he pissed off Hashirama

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Fourth time: He claimed to be stronger then Hashirama.... but then this happened

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Noone would have a problem with you guys claiming Edo Madara > Hashirama or Edo Hashirama.... when Madara shows it. So far it is your assumption.

1-madara was making an excuse.

2-to take care of his brother something that a good brother does.

3-hashirama who countless senjus helping him while madara was alone.

4-something that he wanted to happen to gain the DNA.

 

[TrollingSage]

All this pointless arguing. They're going to fight in a few chapters.