Hmm...for him to show he could do it when it was detrimental to his goal...implies that he could have released it at anytime. Although...you are correct there isn't anything stating that he could at anytime.
1-madara's prime was EMS+100% kyuubi that made hashirama look like this:
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clothes torned off, out of chakra, beaten to sh1t, so its logical that madara who has surpassed his prime is capable of beating hashirama/edo hashirama, due to gaining powers like mokuton and rinnegan along with his original powers surpasses the EMS+100% kyuubi.
2-madara wanting to fight edo hashirama meaning he believes he is superior to edo hashirama.
My god, Meteor destroyed the field they were fighting in. PS destroyed the field they were fighting in along with two distant Mountains and the area they were located in.
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Madara's full power=PS meaning its stronger than the meteor.
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This is roughly the size of one of your precious meteors compared to PS.
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Both of them on top of each other would be near the size of a Mountain as PS is as tall as a Mountain (Somewhere around there)
There's when Madara said his strongest technique, when he was Edo as well, is Perfect Susano'o. That means his Perfect Susano'o is > Rinnegan techniques, Meteor, his level of Mokuton and EVERYTHING else. 1K hands destroyed Madara's Perfect Susano'o so Hashirama is still > Edo Madara.
What? Hashi proved that you can break free at any time. It depends on the restraint the user has on your body. Madara was completely unrestrained, unlike the hokage who were being bound yet hashi still managed to escape.
The reason why madara broke free of edo is because it was about to end & he wasnt finished. He chose when he wanted to escape, it wasnt because of the jutsu ending that he was able to escape. He never said "now's my chance" or anything along those lines. Madara knew from the beginning that it was possible, otherwise he wouldnt have been so "laid back" to have someone controlling him.
1-madara's prime was EMS+100% kyuubi that made hashirama look like this:
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clothes torned off, out of chakra, beaten to sh1t, so its logical that madara who has surpassed his prime is capable of beating hashirama/edo hashirama, due to gaining powers like mokuton and rinnegan along with his original powers surpasses the EMS+100% kyuubi.
2-madara wanting to fight edo hashirama meaning he believes he is superior to edo hashirama.
At number 2, that's totally wrong. He has always wanted to fight Hashirama and he has never, ever won.
At number 1, Madara's prime wouldn't count with Kurama as well, that's stupid, that's a full on 2vs1 fight, that's not his prime. His prime is just EMS Madara without Kurama.
1-madara's prime was EMS+100% kyuubi that made hashirama look like this:
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clothes torned off, out of chakra, beaten to sh1t, so its logical that madara who has surpassed his prime is capable of beating hashirama/edo hashirama, due to gaining powers like mokuton and rinnegan along with his original powers surpasses the EMS+100% kyuubi.
2-madara wanting to fight edo hashirama meaning he believes he is superior to edo hashirama.
You said WAY more poweful, which is obviously false. Half the stuff you mentioned doesn't even matter.
-Meteors are inferior to the Buddha.
-All of Madara's Mokuton is inferior to the Buddha and Hashirama's Mokuton while in Sage Mode (Sage Mode boosts Ninjutsu, Taijutsu and Genjutsu)
-He has shown no Rinnegan feats as of now bar Preta Path and Tengai Shinsei.
lol, Edo Madara is not WAY more powerful than EMS Madara. More techs don't make you stronger. Getting stronger techs makes you stronger.
Wood Dragon, Jukai Kotan and Meteors are fodder to Shinsuusenju and will have no effect on the outcome of a clash between PS and Shinsuusenju, which results in the buddha's victory.
Yeah, but hashirama's cells boosts your strength and power.
You're right, the mokuton techniques are weak when facing the shinsuusenju. The thing is, madara can use tengai shinsei more than once(he used two meteors) and He can use the PS(which can be stronger now, because of hashirama's cells).
When the atacks clashed, the shinsuusenju also cracked and hashirama's sage mode ran out. I don't know what happens to the sage mode used by an edo tensei, though.
So, if madara's PS in kyuubi is slightly below shinsuusenju, what would the current PS + tengai shinsei do to the shinsuusenju? They might get in the same lvl, or stay slightly below. If madara displays any rinnegan technique(which he never showed us, but maybe he can, maybe he cant use), this would give him a great advantage, IF the techniques are ued.
For now, I think that they are on the same level, but if hashirama's sage mode runs out after the shinsuusenju, hashirama might lose.
At number 2, that's totally wrong. He has always wanted to fight Hashirama and he has never, ever won.
At number 1, Madara's prime wouldn't count with Kurama as well, that's stupid, that's a full on 2vs1 fight, that's not his prime. His prime is just EMS Madara without Kurama.
prime
/prīm/
Adjective
Of first importance; main.
Noun
A state or time of greatest strength, vigor, or success in a person's life.
Verb
Make (something) ready for use or action, in particular.
Synonyms
primary - main - principal - chief - primal - capital
madara's greatest strength was EMS+kyuubi you cannot deny that.
1-madara's prime was EMS+100% kyuubi that made hashirama look like this:
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clothes torned off, out of chakra, beaten to sh1t, so its logical that madara who has surpassed his prime is capable of beating hashirama/edo hashirama, due to gaining powers like mokuton and rinnegan along with his original powers surpasses the EMS+100% kyuubi.
2-madara wanting to fight edo hashirama meaning he believes he is superior to edo hashirama.
When you debate about something, atleast do it logically.....
1. Madara was so out of chakra he couldn't keep the sharingan up....... Hashirama on the other hand did a clone technique meaning he still had chakra.. on top of that there is NOTHING that implies he ran out.
2. Madara wants his pride back. If you were a TRUE Madara fan, you would know this....
Next, when you have feats from Edo Madara that surpass Hashirama's feats lets talk.... otherwise you can keep your rinnegan/fake ass mokuton/ EMS to yourself and the Experiment X (edo Madara).
Kurama was never part of his prime..... lmao. Thats like saying Hashirama prime = when he had multiple tailed beasts under his control.... uh no. Kabuto referred to Madara's body.... Madara's prime is EMS , which got shitted on by Hashirama who was not trying to outright kill Madara until the end.
What? Hashi proved that you can break free at any time. It depends on the restraint the user has on your body. Madara was completely unrestrained, unlike the hokage who were being bound yet hashi still managed to escape.
The reason why madara broke free of edo is because it was about to end & he wasnt finished. He chose when he wanted to escape, it wasnt because of the jutsu ending that he was able to escape. He never said "now's my chance" or anything along those lines. Madara knew from the beginning that it was possible, otherwise he wouldnt have been so "laid back" to have someone controlling him.
Hashirama proved HE could break free at any time as he has the power to, if that's true then tell me why Tobirama couldn't break free at any time? He was the first person to use it, has Senju DNA but still couldn't.
Tobirama was stopped by Orochimaru and if Madara tried to break free, Kabuto would have stopped him as well. Madara only had the chance because it was being released and he now has nobody controlling him, the same would work for Tobirama as well. At the moment the only person that's able to break out of control at anytime even while being controlled is Hashirama, which he showed when Orochimaru tried stopping them both and he could only stop Tobirama.
My god, Meteor destroyed the field they were fighting in. PS destroyed the field they were fighting in along with two distant Mountains and the area they were located in.
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Madara's full power=PS meaning its stronger than the meteor.
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This is roughly the size of one of your precious meteors compared to PS.
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Both of them on top of each other would be near the size of a Mountain as PS is as tall as a Mountain (Somewhere around there)
I already posted the picture about the meteors size and it makes the mountains in the picture look puny, so your statement again is false.
Madara going full power doesn't mean PS is stronger then the Meteor, where's the logic? The only reason he destroyed distant Mountains with Susanoo is that he can control the impact which means he slashed in a direction and laid everything to waist in it's path. With the Meteor he can't control where the impact should head too, it just spreads around the impact zone.
When you debate about something, atleast do it logically.....
1. Madara was so out of chakra he couldn't keep the sharingan up....... Hashirama on the other hand did a clone technique meaning he still had chakra.. on top of that there is NOTHING that implies he ran out.
2. Madara wants his pride back. If you were a TRUE Madara fan, you would know this....
Next, when you have feats from Edo Madara that surpass Hashirama's feats lets talk.... otherwise you can keep your rinnegan/fake ass mokuton/ EMS to yourself and the Experiment X (edo Madara).
1-hashirama has did the mokuton bunshin at the right time when madara was out of chakra. and if he did have chakra why didnt he heal himself? oh wait cuz he ran out of chakra.
2-madara has enough confidence that he can beat hashirama right now.
feats:
madara:
drops meteors
creates life
creates giant monsters
eyes of god
immortal
defeating the gokage
hashirama:
defeating EMS madara+kyuubi.
had multiple bijuus under his suppression abilities.
You are phrasing Ad ignorantiam; an unsightly fallacy. It has already been canonically stated that Hashirama is technically Madara's equivalent while in his prime:
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This is highlighted in the fact that neither of the two were able to kill the other and Madara, though he lost made away with a single wound and a full recovery; and also that Madara fought Hashirama out of Sennin Modo even given it's advantages. Hashirama cannot be stronger than Madara now that his Edo Tensei state is not only beyond his prime but is technically a perfect reflection of the Rikudo being Uchiha and Senju in one body as well as wielding his Doujutsu. [+ eternal life ect]
A weakened Nagato was able to subdue the kyuubi through Deva path [a singe section of the Rin'negan's power] as well as the Rikudo himself sealing the Juubi through the very same path and you actually believe EMS Madara + Kyuubi > Rin'negan wielding Edo Madara?
1-hashirama has did the mokuton bunshin at the right time when madara was out of chakra. and if he did have chakra why didnt he heal himself? oh wait cuz he ran out of chakra.
2-madara has enough confidence that he can beat hashirama right now.
feats:
madara:
drops meteors
creates life
creates giant monsters
eyes of god
immortal
defeating the gokage
hashirama:
defeating EMS madara+kyuubi.
had multiple bijuus under his suppression abilities.
Hashirama proved HE could break free at any time as he has the power to, if that's true then tell me why Tobirama couldn't break free at any time? He was the first person to use it, has Senju DNA but still couldn't.
Tobirama was stopped by Orochimaru and if Madara tried to break free, Kabuto would have stopped him as well. Madara only had the chance because it was being released and he now has nobody controlling him, the same would work for Tobirama as well. At the moment the only person that's able to break out of control at anytime even while being controlled is Hashirama, which he showed when Orochimaru tried stopping them both and he could only stop Tobirama.
Well Madara did say something along the lines of "after fighting me you should know I'm not one to be bound by such a jutsu" speaking of the Edo Tensei...so I guess he could also have released it at anytime, right?
I already posted the picture about the meteors size and it makes the mountains in the picture look puny, so your statement again is false.
Madara going full power doesn't mean PS is stronger then the Meteor, where's the logic? The only reason he destroyed distant Mountains with Susanoo is that he can control the impact which means he slashed in a direction and laid everything to waist in it's path. With the Meteor he can't control where the impact should head too, it just spreads around the impact zone.
So when someone says "I will show you my true power" or anything close to that and then pulls out his strongest power, means that it's not his strongest? Madara said so himself in that page and then pulled out Perfect Susano'o showing that it's his strongest.
You are phrasing Ad ignorantiam; an unsightly fallacy. It has already been canonically stated that Hashirama is technically Madara's equivalent while in his prime:
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This is highlighted in the fact that neither of the two were able to kill the other and Madara, though he lost made away with a single wound and a full recovery; and also that Madara fought Hashirama out of Sennin Modo even given it's advantages. Hashirama cannot be stronger than Madara now that his Edo Tensei state is not only beyond his prime but is technically a perfect reflection of the Rikudo being Uchiha and Senju in one body as well as wielding his Doujutsu. [+ eternal life ect]
A weakened Nagato was able to subdue the kyuubi through Deva path [a singe section of the Rin'negan's power] as well as the Rikudo himself sealing the Juubi through the very same path and you actually believe EMS Madara + Kyuubi > Rin'negan wielding Edo Madara?
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