Edo kcm minato vs Edo itachi.

[KidGamer65]

He gets sealed before that happens

With Totsuka? Good luck touching that 2nd fastest man in the world ( and that is Without Flying Thunder God) with Totsuka.

 

[Zexion~]

With Totsuka? Good luck touching that 2nd fastest man in the world ( and that is Without Flying Thunder God) with Totsuka.

..If he tried to place on seal on Itachi? hell ya he can totska him .. besides i thought you believed Itachi wins

btw. post-ch.639, minato can warp stuff by having his chakra touch what he wants to warp. this means he can warp susanoo away not by touching it directly, but instead by throwing his kunai at susanoo.

Which i already knew without even reading the chapter :| don't know why people are making such a big deal out of it

 

[KidGamer65]

..If he tried to place on seal on Itachi? hell ya he can totska him .. besides i thought you believed Itachi wins

lol?

-He has clones that can place the marking for him.
-He can place the marking on any part of Susanoo, he needs to be in the front to be able to try and pierce him.
-He can warp away with Flying Thunder God before he ever gets touched with the sword let alone pierced.

I simply changed my mind, a while ago actually. Even so, it still doesn't change the fact that to think Totsuka will hit Minato is a ridiculous thought indeed.

This match ends in a draw though since Itachi can't seal Minato as Totsuka will never, ever hit him in a million years, but Minato has no sealing feats yet bar Shiki Fujin, which is a draw, so this battle continues for eternity or Minato forces a draw.

 

[Zexion~]

lol?

-He has clones that can place the marking for him.
-He can place the marking on any part of Susanoo, he needs to be in the front to be able to try and pierce him.
-He can warp away with Flying Thunder God before he ever gets touched with the sword let alone pierced.

I simply changed my mind, a while ago actually. Even so, it still doesn't change the fact that to think Totsuka will hit Minato is a ridiculous thought indeed.

So your saying he can warp to itachi "With a kunai that would be kind of obvious that he is about to teleport" and place a seal on him then warp back? without being hit by a weapon that has shown considerable speed? .. I doubt it and Itachi can tell when clones are being used due to he can read handsigns ....and as i have said numerous times he can see when seals are approching due to chakra.. so any kunai that have seals on them he will be able to tell and knock it off course with his own shurikenjutsu

 

[Bogard]

This match ends in a draw though since Itachi can't seal Minato as Totsuka will never, ever hit him in a million years, but Minato has no sealing feats yet bar Shiki Fujin, which is a draw, so this battle continues for eternity or Minato forces a draw.

People greatly underestimate his shishou(or hakke) fuin i'd say, but i can't blame them since it was somehow off-panelled in the end, but the jutsu seemed to have instantly sealed half kyubi including Minato's and Kushina's chakra in Naruto(Minato was at his limit with the reaper death seal).

The only problem of the jutsu is its preparation time and probably the distance, but the preparation itself is not that great. All Minato needs is summoning the ceremonial throne where would stay the container(it can be a box). The regeneration time of edo tensei can be slow depending on the level of damage, and with a instant teleportation like FTG, it's easy for Minato to make the opponent(who would have been already marked after receiving damages) close the distance with his jutsu especially since he doesn't need to personally touch the person if he is connected with his chakra, so by summoning it near the regenerated Itachi near the ceremonial throne, while performing the jutsu, it should be capable to seal him instantly

I suppose though that the jutsu needs that close of a distance, but i'm not that sure actually. If it's not the case, it would even be easier

 

[Zexion~]

Base Itachi > Base Minato though ..U_U and i gurantee you if Kishi did not troll Itachi ( and the akatsuki in a whole) and totska had more feats you would be able to tell how considerably fast the technique is ..

 

[Prince Charles]

*Sees bogard* Gets ready.

 

[KidGamer65]

So your saying he can warp to itachi "With a kunai that would be kind of obvious that he is about to teleport" and place a seal on him then warp back? without being hit by a weapon that has shown considerable speed? .. I doubt it and Itachi can tell when clones are being used due to he can read handsigns ....and as i have said numerous times he can see when seals are approching due to chakra.. so any kunai that have seals on them he will be able to tell and knock it off course with his own shurikenjutsu

Totsuka has only pierced two people in the manga and they were both standing still. I don't know where that gave you the idea it could pierce someone who reacted to Ay's top speed and someone who can teleport with just a thought.

And whoever said he would toss a Kunai at him in order to teleport? He can simply Shunshin over to him considering his Shunshin speed should surpass Ay's now due to the KCM boost. Tap his Susanoo from the back, warp it and have his clone come in and attack Itachi head on.

Itachi can tell clones have been made but how will that help in the slightest? He needs to be able to do something about them.

What you have said about him seeing the seals approach bears no relevance here as I never said he would throw a Kunai and then teleport to him.

People greatly underestimate his shishou(or hakke) fuin i'd say, but i can't blame them since it was somehow off-panelled in the end, but the jutsu seemed to have instantly sealed half kyubi including Minato's and Kushina's chakra in Naruto(Minato was at his limit with the reaper death seal).

The only problem of the jutsu is its preparation time and probably the distance, but the preparation itself is not that great. All Minato needs is summoning the ceremonial throne where would stay the container(it can be a box). The regeneration time of edo tensei can be slow depending on the level of damage, and with a instant teleportation like FTG, it's easy for Minato to make the opponent(who would have been already marked after receiving damages) close the distance with his jutsu especially since he doesn't need to personally touch the person if he is connected with his chakra, so by summoning it near the regenerated Itachi near the ceremonial throne, while performing the jutsu, it should be capable to seal him instantly

I suppose though that the jutsu needs that close of a distance, but i'm not that sure actually. If it's not the case, it would even be easier

I suppose it'd be possible for him to pull it off via Hakke Fuuin, I honestly don't see why not.

 

[Bogard]

Base Itachi > Base Minato though ..U_U and i gurantee you if Kishi did not troll Itachi ( and the akatsuki in a whole) and totska had more feats you would be able to tell how considerably fast the technique is ..

Well it's your opinion and i can't blame you for that. For example, me at this point, i see base Minato capable to mid diff Itachi and it could be even worse for Itachi the way it goes, but that's just me of course U_U

 

[Zexion~]

Totsuka has only pierced two people in the manga and they were both standing still. I don't know where that gave you the idea it could pierce someone who reacted to Ay's top speed and someone who can teleport with just a thought.

And whoever said he would toss a Kunai at him in order to teleport? He can simply Shunshin over to him considering his Shunshin speed should surpass Ay's now due to the KCM boost. Tap his Susanoo from the back, warp it and have his clone come in and attack Itachi head on.

Itachi can tell clones have been made but how will that help in the slightest? He needs to be able to do something about them.

What you have said about him seeing the seals approach bears no relevance here as I never said he would throw a Kunai and then teleport to him.

Itachi has already kept up with KCM Naruto in speed .. ( yes i know that Minato is faster) so its not to far off that he can at least not be overwhelmed by Minato's Non FTG Speed .. And my bad i could of swore i saw something about kunai .. must be going crazy

And like i said give it more feats and you see how fast it is .. and actually

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see how quickly it sliced through the 8 branch technique .. its a lot quick to slice then to stab its speed is underrated also it was quick enough to pierce nagato before his 5 second interval ended ( i believe could be wrong) .. and plus slicing covers a wide rage of attack.. honestly i think when totska is used like that it is ridiculously deadly .. minato would have to warp a little farther to avoid a slash of the totska .. i mean its no way PS slash but still .. its deadly and again shurikenjutsu deals with them as they falter after one blow ... or he creates his own clones that even may have the basic 3t sharingan pre-cog ability .

 

[Bogard]

Itachi has already kept up with KCM Naruto in speed .. ( yes i know that Minato is faster) so its not to far off that he can at least not be overwhelmed by Minato's Non FTG Speed .. And my bad i could of swore i saw something about kunai .. must be going crazy

Itachi kept up with 1/22 of KCM Naruto in mid-air(so not comfortable position for speed involvement) who never used shunshin but only wanted to talk rather than fighting, and Itachi even has sharingan to predict movements. Base Naruto's speed(without shunshin) isn't that great

 

[Zexion~]

Itachi kept up with 1/22 of KCM Naruto in mid-air(so not comfortable position for speed involvement) who never used shunshin but only wanted to talk rather than fighting, and Itachi even has sharingan to predict movements. Base Naruto's speed(without shunshin) isn't that great

..Didn't he want to fight itachi in the beginning though? i mean he still hated him

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

If Naruto had used Shunshin on Itachi, the poor lad would of been on his ass. That's all I'm saying.

 

[KidGamer65]

Itachi has already kept up with KCM Naruto in speed .. ( yes i know that Minato is faster) so its not to far off that he can at least not be overwhelmed by Minato's Non FTG Speed .. And my bad i could of swore i saw something about kunai .. must be going crazy

And like i said give it more feats and you see how fast it is .. and actually

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see how quickly it sliced through the 8 branch technique .. its a lot quick to slice then to stab its speed is underrated also it was quick enough to pierce nagato before his 5 second interval ended ( i believe could be wrong) .. and plus slicing covers a wide rage of attack.. honestly i think when totska is used like that it is ridiculously deadly .. minato would have to warp a little farther to avoid a slash of the totska .. i mean its no way PS slash but still .. its deadly and again shurikenjutsu deals with them as they falter after one blow ... or he creates his own clones that even may have the basic 3t sharingan pre-cog ability .

He kept up with his combat speed mid air, not his Shunshin speed. That is something Itachi isn't keeping up with or tracking as it surpasses Naruto's Shunshin (In KCM only, not BM) and Ay's Shunshin, which escaped Sasuke's Sharingan's vision.

Even with those feats, its a stretch to say its going to hit a guy who can teleport around the battlefield and has reactions good enough to react to Ay's fastest punch before it hits him. Unless that sword is faster than Ay now? lol. Also, I don't think Nagato has a 5 second interval after using CT, though I could be wrong about that considering all of his Deva powers have 5 second intervals.

Naruto's clones can take sword slashes to the arm without poofing due to the KCM Cloak. Shuriken aren't doing anything to them at all.

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Itachi creating 1 clone could be plausible while in a Final Susanoo, but multiple clones? No way. Edo Tensei are still limited by how much chakra they can use at one time, it didn't change from when they were alive. Clones divide the chakra by half and Susanoo takes a lot of chakra already. Besides, even if they have the 3-t pre-cog ability, what is that going to do? In the times Minato utilizes Shunshin (Not saying he'll be zipping around the battle constantly using Shunshin like some say he would do) they won't be able to follow him as Sasuke's Sharingan couldn't follow Ay.

 

[Zexion~]

If Naruto had used Shunshin on Itachi, the poor lad would of been on his ass. That's all I'm saying.

Itachi's shunsin's are quite fast though .. perhaps not as fast as KCM's but fast

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Itachi's shunsin's are quite fast though .. perhaps not as fast as KCM's but fast

Fast, but not fast enough.

 

[Dantee]

To my knowledge Minato doesn't have anything to get past Susanoo. Itachi can simply sit in Susanoo and wait for a draw.

 

[Zexion~]

He kept up with his combat speed mid air, not his Shunshin speed. That is something Itachi isn't keeping up with or tracking as it surpasses Naruto's Shunshin (In KCM only, not BM) and Ay's Shunshin, which escaped Sasuke's Sharingan's vision.

Even with those feats, its a stretch to say its going to hit a guy who can teleport around the battlefield and has reactions good enough to react to Ay's fastest punch before it hits him. Unless that sword is faster than Ay now? lol. Also, I don't think Nagato has a 5 second interval after using CT, though I could be wrong about that considering all of his Deva powers have 5 second intervals.

Naruto's clones can take sword slashes to the arm without poofing due to the KCM Cloak. Shuriken aren't doing anything to them at all.

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Itachi creating 1 clone could be plausible while in a Final Susanoo, but multiple clones? No way. Edo Tensei are still limited by how much chakra they can use at one time, it didn't change from when they were alive. Clones divide the chakra by half and Susanoo takes a lot of chakra already. Besides, even if they have the 3-t pre-cog ability, what is that going to do? In the times Minato utilizes Shunshin (Not saying he'll be zipping around the battle constantly using Shunshin like some say he would do) they won't be able to follow him as Sasuke's Sharingan couldn't follow Ay.

Oh .. i was sort of debating non KCM Minato forgot he was in that .. Well anyways Itachi was never shown to have low chakra .. the fact that he was able to use Susano, Tsukiyomi, and Multiple Amertarasu all while on his death bed should be a stamina FEAT .. although most people see it as a minus .. and then fine he could use his katon covered shurkian to deal with the clones..maybe .. And once you release said clone you get your chakra back .. so as long as it does not take long using clones is fine ..

And Itachi still has tsukuyomi, Minato also has to make sure he does not teleport to a spot where he would be looking at itachi lol

 

[KidGamer65]

Oh .. i was sort of debating non KCM Minato forgot he was in that .. Well anyways Itachi was never shown to have low chakra .. the fact that he was able to use Susano, Tsukiyomi, and Multiple Amertarasu all while on his death bed should be a stamina FEAT .. although most people see it as a minus .. and then fine he could use his katon covered shurkian to deal with the clones..maybe .. And once you release said clone you get your chakra back .. so as long as it does not take long using clones is fine ..

And Itachi still has tsukuyomi, Minato also has to make sure he does not teleport to a spot where he would be looking at itachi lol

Yeah its a feat, but use multiple clones? I doubt it, even so, its not like they'd be any use. The damage a sword slash would do to a person is greater than what a Fire covered Shuriken would do. W/o that cloak Naruto would have lost his arm in a second.

@bold: He's an Edo, it doesn't matter if the clone isn't released.

Unless Itachi has eyes in the back of the head, then teleporting behind Susanoo would be sufficient

 

[Zexion~]

Yeah its a feat, but use multiple clones? I doubt it, even so, its not like they'd be any use. The damage a sword slash would do to a person is greater than what a Fire covered Shuriken would do. W/o that cloak Naruto would have lost his arm in a second.

@bold: He's an Edo, it doesn't matter if the clone isn't released.

Unless Itachi has eyes in the back of the head, then teleporting behind Susanoo would be sufficient

But how would he place the seal behind itachi when he can sense every seal he places..