[Discussion] kyuubi's other half of chakra

[moje]

When is naruto going to receive the other half of the kyuubi's chakra? Minato isn't making use of it, it seems like it's just for "show" on him. Maybe he thinks it looks 'cool' lol

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

He already has it.

The end.

 

[moje]

How does he already have it???

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

How does he already have it???

The only reason Minato sealed some in himself is so that he could safely seal the rest into baby Naruto.

Over time Kurama has regenerated his chakra (as we have seen him do multiple times during this war).

 

[sagemode07]

The only reason Minato sealed some in himself is so that he could safely seal the rest into baby Naruto.

Over time Kurama has regenerated his chakra (as we have seen him do multiple times during this war).

No he doesn't have it. The yin chakra would allow him to materialize like bee does with gyuki.

 

[moje]

I know but it isn't his pure chakra.. Remember minato sealed it as ying and yang. And why would minato say that he had a gift for naruto?

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

No he doesn't have it. The yin chakra would allow him to materialize like bee does with gyuki.

Naruto is special and/or the sealing is unique.

More details at 11:00!

EDIT -> Why didn't Kurama turn into what he looks like in BM when Minato took out the yin chakra? Why did he look like a nearly fully formed 9-tails during the Pain fight?

I know but it isn't his pure chakra.. Remember minato sealed it as ying and yang. And why would minato say that he had a gift for naruto?

The gift was Sasuke. And the Hokages I guess

 

[ObitoGokuKakashi]

Just be patience ... he will get it.

 

[Crt]

The only reason Minato sealed some in himself is so that he could safely seal the rest into baby Naruto.

Over time Kurama has regenerated his chakra (as we have seen him do multiple times during this war).

Minato used the Death Reaper to sever Kurama's other half of his chakra.

Kurama may be able to generate chakra like every other being with chakra, but it isn't as massive as before.

Kurama's chakra from being halved is now like a cup of water. A full cup of water is split into two smaller cups that have a limit of how much can be filled.

Like using Fission despite being an Edo Tensei zombie is an easier example.

Chakra can be filled back up, but the Tsuchikage couldn't use Jinton/Dust Release because the chakra usage of that technique was greater than his own because his overall chakra pool is halved because of Fission.

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

Minato used the Death Reaper to sever Kurama's other half of his chakra.

Kurama may be able to generate chakra like every other being with chakra, but it isn't as massive as before.

Kurama's chakra from being halved is now like a cup of water. A full cup of water is split into two smaller cups that have a limit of how much can be filled.

Like using Fission despite being an Edo Tensei zombie is an easier example.

Chakra can be filled back up, but the Tsuchikage couldn't use Jinton/Dust Release because the chakra usage of that technique was greater than his own because his overall chakra pool is halved because of Fission.

I understand you comparison but I don't think it applies to tailed beasts who are just a mass of sentient chakra. You're basically saying that Kurama, as a container, has been halved. But ALL his yin chakra is sealed in minato, so Kurama is no longer a container. This is getting weird. XD

To make this easier -> Tailed beasts were never "containers" filled with chakra to begin with, they ARE chakra.

Also aren't tailed beast balls compressed yin/yang chakra? If so, he can freely manipulate/generate both yin and yang.

 

[raiban]

Did you see the fight between him and Naruto to see who has control of the power? Kurama was able to make a Tailed Beast Ball most likely 2x his own size and he was in a weakened state after having his tails stripped from him. Now that he is able to move freely and isn't in a dried up state I'm pretty sure he has all of his chakra back. Also both Madara and Obito have the Sharigan which can be used to control tailed beasts, so if he were to be summoned then he puts himself at risk of being controlled by one of them.

 

[Crt]

I understand you comparison but I don't think it applies to tailed beasts who are just a mass of sentient chakra. You're basically saying that Kurama, as a container, has been halved. But ALL his yin chakra is sealed in minato, so Kurama is no longer a container. This is getting weird. XD

Too make this easier -> Tailed beasts were never "containers" filled with chakra to begin with, they ARE chakra.

Also aren't tailed beast balls compressed yin/yang chakra? If so, he can freely manipulate/generate both yin and yang.

Aaahhh, I was just referring to your he has regenerated his chakra over time. I was just saying his maximum chakra pool is halved. He's not a container, right. He's chakra mass that's been halved. Probably the reason why Naruto has a Chakra Kurama in Bijuu Mode is the seal used to contain Kurama in Naruto. Either that or Kishi just wanted to make a homage to Dragonball.

Though, I don't recall anywhere in the manga that said Kyuubi lost his Yin chakra or anything. Most of that speculation were from Narutobase threads, which is why I refuse to say he lost his Yin. I just say he lost half his chakra because of the sealing. And if what you're saying is true about TBB's needing to manipulate black/white (yin/yang) chakra. Then it's safe to assume that Kurama's overall chakra pool just got halved. :1

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

Aaahhh, I was just referring to your he has regenerated his chakra over time. I was just saying his maximum chakra pool is halved. He's not a container, right. He's chakra mass that's been halved. Probably the reason why Naruto has a Chakra Kurama in Bijuu Mode is the seal used to contain Kurama in Naruto. Either that or Kishi just wanted to make a homage to Dragonball.

Though, I don't recall anywhere in the manga that said Kyuubi lost his Yin chakra or anything. Most of that speculation were from Narutobase threads, which is why I refuse to say he lost his Yin. I just say he lost half his chakra because of the sealing. And if what you're saying is true about TBB's needing to manipulate black/white (yin/yang) chakra. Then it's safe to assume that Kurama's overall chakra pool just got halved. :1

Oh okay, I see what you're saying. And I agree ... for the most part.

His chakra pool was definitely "halved" at the point of his sealing into baby Naruto, no question. But I believe he's regained all the lost chakra over time. :shrug: I just think he needed to be halved because a baby simply couldn't handle all that chakra at the time.

And yeah, the yin chakra thing I've only seen on Narutobase threads too. But I think the manga clearly shows Kurama is just like the other tailed beasts, but appears the way he does in BM due to the way the seal works.

 

[Byron123]

I understand you comparison but I don't think it applies to tailed beasts who are just a mass of sentient chakra. You're basically saying that Kurama, as a container, has been halved. But ALL his yin chakra is sealed in minato, so Kurama is no longer a container. This is getting weird. XD

To make this easier -> Tailed beasts were never "containers" filled with chakra to begin with, they ARE chakra.

Also aren't tailed beast balls compressed yin/yang chakra? If so, he can freely manipulate/generate both yin and yang.

Then let me put it this way: When Minato said thta he had big present for Naruto, what do expect to be? A big hug? Also, when both of them have the exact opposite marks at their seals respectively, what does it mean for you?

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

Then let me put it this way: When Minato said thta he had big present for Naruto, what do expect to be? A big hug? Also, when both of them have the exact opposite marks at their seals respectively, what does it mean for you?

Present: Sasuke being on their side. And the Hokages too I guess.

Seals: Minato has only formless chakra, Naruto has entire bijuu. Also the sealing tech Minato used could have been slightly different since he used the RDS in conjunction with it.

 

[moje]

Minato and naruto are going to fuse like gotens and trunks lmao

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

Minato and naruto are going to fuse like gotens and trunks lmao

LOL!!! wtf? XD

 

[Byron123]

Present: Sasuke being on their side. And the Hokages too I guess.

Seals: Minato has only formless chakra, Naruto has entire bijuu. Also the sealing tech Minato used could have been slightly different since he used the RDS in conjunction with it.

Lol do you really know Kishi so little? He wouldn't have put Minato saying like this if it was for something this obvious and also the fact that that Minato has formless chakra is his olny difference as you sai dand that's wy he can't enter tailed beast mode BUT that doesn't mean he doesn't have the Yin chakra

Also the seals are not just slighty different, take a look:

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Now combine the two halves and tell me what you think?

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

Lol do you really know Kishi so little? He wouldn't have put Minato saying like this if it was for something this obvious and also the fact that that Minato has formless chakra is his olny difference as you sai dand that's wy he can't enter tailed beast mode BUT that doesn't mean he doesn't have the Yin chakra

Also the seals are not just slighty different, take a look:

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Now combine the two halves and tell me what you think?

Minato's KM looks more like a mix of Naruto's KM and BM to be honest (check the arms/hands). But anyway, as you can see, the seal in the center is identical, it's just the other lines that are slightly different. And this makes sense due to Minato only having formless chakra to pull from.

You'll also note that when Naruto is in BM there is no "half" design to connect with Minato's (if we're going with that theme).

Long story short -> in KM, both Minato and Naruto pulled from a formless pool of chakra. The sealing techs are similar (slight difference due to Minato's use of the RDS on his) so they produce a similar result. You look at it and say "hey look! those "U" shape things look like they could connect to make a whole! So it must mean Minato has the Yin chakra!". But you forget that while Naruto pulled from a formless pool of chakra while in KM, he still had Kurama in a separate area in bodily form inside him. He already had the Yin chakra (if we're going with that theory).

Could Minato still transfer all his Kyuubi chakra to Naruto? Sure! Is it all Yin chakra? Maybe. Will it change Naruto's appearance? Doubtful. It'll probably just be a quick "refuel".

And with that I'm out

 

[kunde]

He already has it.

The end.

i agree with him. . because yin half of kyuubi is dark chakra which means the hatred and other stuff . .

we've seen it took 570+ chapters for naruto to be in friendly term with kurama which means kurama developed his other half..

i believe kurama never lost his yin half . .if yang was the only part he had. .he would hav acted friendly all the time with naruto. .

and as for the BM ..it's not because he has only yang. .it's because kurama is having hard time dealing with tetragram seal. .and also it's chakra is almost same as juubi's chakra. .thats y obito got 9 matagam's and uzumaki crest in his back which naruto also got once he got hold of kyuubi's chakra. .