Tobirama is featless.....?

[Avinash012]

I agree with you, he has serious feats, just not in this war... He's not one of the best S/T users though, he has no feat in it whatsoever, they only said he created a S/T Jutsu, that's not on the level of FTG.

Best Suiton user, well it's true to an extent too, powerful Chakra enough to create water where there's no water, but hasn't Kakashi done the same with Water Style: Water Wall? Without a water source? Him being the best can honestly be debated between him and Kisame.

Can't argue with his sensing abilities. Point of the matter is, he's EXTREMELY powerful, but also powerfully overestimated.

He is not the best but he is dfntly one of the best s/t user......!
Water isn't main affinity of Kakashi so dfntly he can't use it as good as Tobirama ....he made a high level Water element jutsu which require a bunch of seals with a single seal .....isn't it an impressive feat.....?
Kisame is unable to beat a Jounin in a river or what ever it is where there is a bunch of water ....he is nothing without Samehada....he can't beat a highlevel ninja wiht his water how can u say he is on par with Tobirama......?

 

[Penguin]

An extremely old and decrepit Hiruzen, which ENMA said he was NOWHERE near his capabilities anymore in youth, nothing but a shell of his former self.... Taijutsu was still powerful, but still extremely watered down... Plus, Edo Tobirama wasn't weak, Orochimaru had them emotionally destroy Hiruzen while still causing physical damage to him. Villain Handbook 101.

And still not of the scale of FTG and STILL un-used. There's plenty of opportunities where those Jutsu should've been used but hasn't... But Edos have an affinity for recklessness so I guess he wasn't concerned.

In their time, EVERY SHINOBI was a Kenjutsu user... How can I name 10 people from THAT time when only 6 Shinobi was elaborated upon. Hashirama, Tobirama, Madara, Izuna, and their fathers.

I'll give you the help with Gin/Kin ;D Lmaoo I am wrong on that, my apologies.

And Tobirama was completely blindsided and killed, we don't know how that battle ended, but it honestly didn't take long for him to die from the looks of it.

1. He still had a 5 in taijutsu. No where near prime Hiruzen vs no where near prime edo Tobirama in taijutsu was close. Tobirama confirmed that as an edo in part 1 Hashi and Tobirama were not near full strength.
2. I don't get your point. Are you saying Tobirama cannot use Hiraishin?
3. Madara used a Gunbai :O
4.
5. He wasn't killed at the Coup d'tat with the Raikage. He was killed when he sensed "20 master bounty hunters" which most likely was "Madara" and then he died.

 

[Avinash012]

he has part one suiton feats and kage bunshin as part two feat
killing izuna isnt really a feat as hashirama defeating madara cause he did not counter any MS tech as hashirama did

I have already said that dnt compare him with Hashirama and Madara...he'll probably look like a fodder b4 those two.........not only him that includes ppl like Naruto,Itachi,Kakashi,Sasuke and most of the strong ppl

 

[Rikudoou naruto]

in this whole text i thought he didnt have feet.. i even had to check if he did.

but tobirama will shine soon, he is in the shadow of his brother, but something will happen with hashirama and madara that tobirama will not like at all, thats what i think, and he will show why he was the 2nd hokage maybe he has stored some really powerful edo tenseis? wich will be perfected by orochimaru

maybe izuna will join the battle?

 

[Fodder#4]

He is not the best but he is dfntly one of the best s/t user......!
Water isn't main affinity of Kakashi so dfntly he can't use it as good as Tobirama ....he made a high level Water element jutsu which require a bunch of seals with a single seal .....isn't it an impressive feat.....?
Kisame is unable to beat a Jounin in a river or what ever it is where there is a bunch of water ....he is nothing without Samehada....he can't beat a highlevel ninja wiht his water how can u say he is on par with Tobirama......?

Really? REALLY? REALLLY?! Because, his massive suiton jutsu that take but a clap are nothing? His raw strength to break out of Mokuton isn't anything? Water Dome, still technically able to be used, is NOTHING?! One Thousand feeding sharks. . .?!

God, under estimating Kisame to the extreme. And Gai's rank is Jounin, but he is easily mid Kage level and top twenty five at the LEAST! Not to mention he was a near perfect counter for a weakened Kisame. Yes weakened. He was spending days in Samehada without food, water, rest. He obviously didn't have the liberty to stretch or move around like others did. So not doubt his movements were somewhat stiff as well.

Gai still would have beat Kisame without Samehada. But it woulda been more of a fight. But. . Oh my God. I'm really just astounded at how stupid you are.

 

[The Alchemist]

Tobirama is awesome I wish Kishi would do more with his and hashirama's storyline.

 

[Avinash012]

He's my favorite character but he has no feats in the war and he's looking pretty weak compared to hashirama and minato right now

I have already said that dnt compare him with ppl like Hashirama and Madara ......even ppl like Naruto,Itachi and Sasuke are looks like a fodder b4 them ................

 

[Koha]

He is not the best but he is dfntly one of the best s/t user......!
Water isn't main affinity of Kakashi so dfntly he can't use it as good as Tobirama ....he made a high level Water element jutsu which require a bunch of seals with a single seal .....isn't it an impressive feat.....?
Kisame is unable to beat a Jounin in a river or what ever it is where there is a bunch of water ....he is nothing without Samehada....he can't beat a highlevel ninja wiht his water how can u say he is on par with Tobirama......?

Dude .... Guy is top 20, plus wasn't Kisame hiding within Samehada? ... So he was ill-sustained, and plus wasn't he forced to go into the 7th Gate to defeat Kisame, severe underestimation of BOTH Guy & Kisame on your part. Yes, his affinity for condensing handseals are impressive, but the whole water without a source is now unimpressive.

 

[Avinash012]

Really? REALLY? REALLLY?! Because, his massive suiton jutsu that take but a clap are nothing? His raw strength to break out of Mokuton isn't anything? Water Dome, still technically able to be used, is NOTHING?! One Thousand feeding sharks. . .?!

God, under estimating Kisame to the extreme. And Gai's rank is Jounin, but he is easily mid Kage level and top twenty five at the LEAST! Not to mention he was a near perfect counter for a weakened Kisame. Yes weakened. He was spending days in Samehada without food, water, rest. He obviously didn't have the liberty to stretch or move around like others did. So not doubt his movements were somewhat stiff as well.

Gai still would have beat Kisame without Samehada. But it woulda been more of a fight. But. . Oh my God. I'm really just astounded at how stupid you are.

Tsunade can break a Susano with her raw strength so she can beat Madara right......?
One thousend feeding sharks are unable to kill a Jounin how can u think it is impressive....?
Kisame is weak when he fought Gai.....?
he he read Manga again He Obsorbed a great deal of chakra from Bee, tha fact that a Jinchuriki like Bee weakend wil prove how much chakra he sucked from Bee and wat abt the chakra he obsorbed from the fodder's arround there.....?
Kisame that fought Gai>>>>Normal Kisama(his chakra pool)
u better not forgot Tobirama is also weak when he summoned for the first time look at Hashirama's wood style when he fought with 3rd and look at Budha and the other tech's Madara used on Kage's such a big dif b/w them ....and Tobirama used such highlevel water tech's even if he is weak and who knw's how strong his tech's with his ful pwr..............

 

[Uchiha Style]

Being a senju dosent mean he is strong.....?
Dude u should knw y senju are said to be strongest....!
do u think senju are said to be strongest just bcoz of Hashirama....?
I never Mentioned that he is strong just bcoz he is senju I said that he is the strongest senju after Hashirama and the fact that he became 2nd means that he is the strongest after Hashirama......!
About that Kage thing, I didn't had that much knwldge on Naruto.....I thought that a Kage is some one who is said to be the strongest of the village so he would obviously had a bunch of feats even if he hadn't shown any thing.....isn't it...?
So u think some one who can't beat a Jounin class ninja in water can be better waterstyle user than some one who can creat a high level water tech in a place where there is no sign of water right....?

Oh, great...the Senjus were so call the strongest because they beat fodder Uchihas...that's great.

Well, a Kage can't always be the strongest in their village....Tsunade is a perfect example of this.

What are you talking about? Kisame's Great shark Bullet was able to match Gai's Afternoon Tiger(which is counted as city block level+)...it far more impressive than any Water technique Tobirama did....and this isn't even Kisame's most powerful Water technique....Kisame water dome>>>any Water style technique Tobirama showed....

 

[Koha]

1. He still had a 5 in taijutsu. No where near prime Hiruzen vs no where near prime edo Tobirama in taijutsu was close. Tobirama confirmed that as an edo in part 1 Hashi and Tobirama were not near full strength.
2. I don't get your point. Are you saying Tobirama cannot use Hiraishin?
3. Madara used a Gunbai :O
4.
5. He wasn't killed at the Coup d'tat with the Raikage. He was killed when he sensed "20 master bounty hunters" which most likely was "Madara" and then he died.

What does that matter when your stamina's a 3? Lmaooo coming from a Hiruzen fan too. He was still far watered down, plus you also have to think about Hiruzen's mental state at the time as well... His fighting was extremely inefficient, as he was completely held down by personal feelings. So, it's not as cut & dry as you're making it seem.

Two, my point is, what I'm asking, is it on an effective level?????????????? Or are you gonna speculate?

Three, that was Madara's MAIN weapon, he still used swords too. As I remember in the early flashback in the fight between him and Hashirama the battlefield was strewn with swords and weapons all over.

And until Tobirama talks, we have no idea of what happened there.

 

[Fodder#4]

Tsunade can break a Susano with her raw strength so she can beat Madara right......?
One thousend feeding sharks are unable to kill a Jounin how can u think it is impressive....?
Kisame is weak when he fought Gai.....?
he he read Manga again He Obsorbed a great deal of chakra from Bee, tha fact that a Jinchuriki like Bee weakend wil prove how much chakra he sucked from Bee and wat abt the chakra he obsorbed from the fodder's arround there.....?
Kisame that fought Gai>>>>Normal Kisama(his chakra pool)
u better not forgot Tobirama is also weak when he summoned for the first time look at Hashirama's wood style when he fought with 3rd and look at Budha and the other tech's Madara used on Kage's such a big dif b/w them ....and Tobirama used such highlevel water tech's even if he is weak and who knw's how strong his tech's with his ful pwr..............

............ A 7TH GATE SHINOBI OF EXTREME SKILL AND STRENGTH! The sharks were not aimed to kill, either. They were used to try and distract Gai as the real shark, carrying precious information, tried to make an escape!

He absorbed some chakra, yes. He regained some of himself. But still, you don't think he wasn't suffering negative effects of being confined in a sword for a few days? Nah ah. No go.

@Second bolded, I don't understand. But Gai doesn't have a larger chakra reserve. Kisame does. .?

@Third bolded. He was weakened, we have seen LITTLE TO NOTHING from him. Trying to claim he is stronger when he NEEDS HAND SEALS AND SPEWS WATER OUT then Kisame, when it comes to Suiton, is useless. Don't fool yourself.

Just sayin, they don't compare. In the slightest. And, he didn't spit this? [

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[Avinash012]

You're just naming techniques that he hasn't used in battle, overestimating their importance... What Taijutsu have you really seen from Tobirama? Created ONE S/T Jutsu, that has never been seen and ALREADY specified to be on a much lower level than Minato's FTG. In that time, everyone was a Kenjutsu specialist, it was a time of war. An Edo Tensei that was useless to him being incomplete and mastered by Orochimaru, only giving him credit for defeating Izuna...

And losing against Ginkaku & Kinkaku, he loses more credibility from me, as Darui defeated them, and Tobirama's intelligence "supposedly" far surpasses Darui, so how could he be defeated so easily? Well.. Darui having teammates that were defeated by the artifacts and analyzed defeats my statement. But hard to even believe Gin/Kin are even close to Madara & Izuna's ability. Even with some Nine-Tail's Chakra.

Dude dnt say that he can't just bcoz he didn't.....he didn't mastred EDO bcoz of obvious reasons he isn't an evil brat like Oro to sacrifice that many ppl just to master a teq ......
Minato is the Fastest and he outmatched Ay but that dosen't mean Ay isn't faster right....?
Same with MInato and Tobirama............
abt Loosing to Kin and Gin....?
They aren't fodder's and they are psedo Jin's right ....? they got tools of Sage and there are 18 elight's along with them and Tobirama is alone.......if he had one or two decoys just like Darui he would have Killed them but he coulden't do that since a kage is some one who protects his cmrds.......

 

[Penguin]

............ A 7TH GATE SHINOBI OF EXTREME SKILL AND STRENGTH! The sharks were not aimed to kill, either. They were used to try and distract Gai as the real shark, carrying precious information, tried to make an escape!

He absorbed some chakra, yes. He regained some of himself. But still, you don't think he wasn't suffering negative effects of being confined in a sword for a few days? Nah ah. No go.

@Second bolded, I don't understand. But Gai doesn't have a larger chakra reserve. Kisame does. .?

@Third bolded. He was weakened, we have seen LITTLE TO NOTHING from him. Trying to claim he is stronger when he NEEDS HAND SEALS AND SPEWS WATER OUT then Kisame, when it comes to Suiton, is useless. Don't fool yourself.



Kisame>>>>>>>>Tobirama. You can't even compare them as of now. You're an idiot who doesn't even know his character NOR are you even pleasant to converse with. Take your shitty logic and go away. I am done with you.

By feats maybe. Please don't use that language either. By hype Tobirama > Kisame.

 

[Avinash012]

............ A 7TH GATE SHINOBI OF EXTREME SKILL AND STRENGTH! The sharks were not aimed to kill, either. They were used to try and distract Gai as the real shark, carrying precious information, tried to make an escape!

He absorbed some chakra, yes. He regained some of himself. But still, you don't think he wasn't suffering negative effects of being confined in a sword for a few days? Nah ah. No go.

@Second bolded, I don't understand. But Gai doesn't have a larger chakra reserve. Kisame does. .?

@Third bolded. He was weakened, we have seen LITTLE TO NOTHING from him. Trying to claim he is stronger when he NEEDS HAND SEALS AND SPEWS WATER OUT then Kisame, when it comes to Suiton, is useless. Don't fool yourself.



Kisame>>>>>>>>Tobirama. You can't even compare them as of now. You're an idiot who doesn't even know his character NOR are you even pleasant to converse with. Take your shitty logic and go away. I am done with you.

He recovered a little of his Original.........?
He didn't used any tech to distruct Gai.......?
Here we are talking abt who is the best Water style user not abt who is strong and Tobirama is Obviously stronger than Kisame.....!

 

[Exaar]

By hype Tobirama > Kisame.

Not really, Tobirama hasn't much hype at all.

 

[Penguin]

Not really, Tobirama hasn't much hype at all.

Nothing my trusty Tobirama wankers and I cannot fix!

 

[Penguin]

Tobirama is so awsome! Better than Juubito!

I totally agree!

 

[Avinash012]

Oh, great...the Senjus were so call the strongest because they beat fodder Uchihas...that's great.

Well, a Kage can't always be the strongest in their village....Tsunade is a perfect example of this.

What are you talking about? Kisame's Great shark Bullet was able to match Gai's Afternoon Tiger(which is counted as city block level+)...it far more impressive than any Water technique Tobirama did....and this isn't even Kisame's most powerful Water technique....Kisame water dome>>>any Water style technique Tobirama showed....

It is clearly stated by Some one in his team that he is the strongest in village during Danzo's flashback ....u mean even a fodder ninja without any feats can become Hokage........give me an example........
So u can call Sarutobi as one of the strongest bcoz Saru is strongest of his time rigth.....?
dnt call other Uchiha as fodders just bcoz they aren't at a level of MS users do u think Uchiha are feared by entire ninja world for nothing..?
so U think born in a blessed clan can't make u any stronger right...?
tel me wat make's Itachi that strong without being a Uchiha.........or atleast show me some one who uses thire own pwr on the level of MInato without being a Senju or Uchiha

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Still better than Obito who soloed by a high level Jounin.............!

 

[AlphaScythian]

Still better than Obito who soloed by a high level Jounin.............!

That high jonin is capable of sniping hashirama with obito's eye.