Tobirama is featless.....?

[sagemode07]

Tobirama the true god of shinobi.

 

[Penguin]

I agree with you, he has serious feats, just not in this war... He's not one of the best S/T users though, he has no feat in it whatsoever, they only said he created a S/T Jutsu, that's not on the level of FTG.

Best Suiton user, well it's true to an extent to, powerful Chakra enough to create water where there's no water, but hasn't Kakashi done the same with Water Style: Water Wall? Without a water source? Him being the best can honestly be debated between him and Kisame.

Can't argue with his sensing abilities. Point of the matter is, he's EXTREMELY powerful, but also powerfully overestimated.

Tobirama is one of the best S/T users because he is one of the only S/T users who can use S/T by himself. Top 3 in S/T

Please do not compare Kakashi's Suiton to Tobirama's or Kisame's or Mei's please.

 

[Avinash012]

He kinda is, the only feat you can use in debates is he's a sensor, the rest is too vague to be used in debates

Dude
Itachi ,Sasuke,Obito and Kakashi all these ppl are Jounin-high level Jounin without thire MS and they got a pwr boost with thire MS and became one of the the strongest.....it is safe to assume Izuna is nearly as strong as Itachi (for me Itachi>Izuna) since he rivals Madara....and killing some one like him is Obviously a big feet isn't it....?

 

[Fodder#4]

Tobirama was able to create Suiton out of thin air when he wasn't anywhere near his full power while Kisame's Suiton Jutsu are spit by him.

Just sayin' U_U

Just sayin, they don't compare. In the slightest. And, he didn't spit this? [

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[narutorikudoumode]

He's my favorite character but he has no feats in the war and he's looking pretty weak compared to hashirama and minato right now

 

[kickassjutsu]

Are you kidding me? He's got more to do with the government of the leaf than hashi did. I mean hashi had great dream and all talk of peace but he brought no structure to tue table but tobi did.

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

Tobirama hasnt shown to be that impressive. Looks like he is in the ranks of Hiruzen.

 

[Penguin]

Just sayin, they don't compare. In the slightest. And, he didn't spit this? [

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Don't get him TURNT UP!

 

[blazekev90]

I stand by what i said earlier.

 

[Penguin]

I stand by what i said earlier.

What exactly did you say?

 

[Koha]

Tobirama is not featless.

Edo Tensei
S/T
Kenjutsu
Suiton (One of the best in the series. As an edo who was very weak, he did a jutsu that requires 44 handseals in 1 handseal without a water source. Kisame needed a water source.)
Sensory
Phenomenal Taijutsu
Beat an equivalent to MS Madara in MS Izuna
Held off "20 Master Bounty Hunters" or "Madara"
Got defeated by Kin and Gin most likely due to the Sage's Artifacts

You're just naming techniques that he hasn't used in battle, overestimating their importance... What Taijutsu have you really seen from Tobirama? Created ONE S/T Jutsu, that has never been seen and ALREADY specified to be on a much lower level than Minato's FTG. In that time, everyone was a Kenjutsu specialist, it was a time of war. An Edo Tensei that was useless to him being incomplete and mastered by Orochimaru, only giving him credit for defeating Izuna...

And losing against Ginkaku & Kinkaku, he loses more credibility from me, as Darui defeated them, and Tobirama's intelligence "supposedly" far surpasses Darui, so how could he be defeated so easily? Well.. Darui having teammates that were defeated by the artifacts and analyzed defeats my statement. But hard to even believe Gin/Kin are even close to Madara & Izuna's ability. Even with some Nine-Tail's Chakra.

 

[Exaar]

He isn't featless, His feats just suck.

His feats are
Used two B-ranked water jutsu's, Nothing special in scale/strength, only thing note worthy was he could do them in 1 seal.

Killed Ms izuna, Even though the fight is unknown and we can't say if he defeated him fair and square in a 1v1. Also unknown is izuna's strength (though it's speculated as the same as madara's) and if he had any powerful Ms abilities or not.

Has a practically featless S/T, We don't know how it works or if prep is needed.

Featless edo tensei, People he could summon are unknown, The level of controll he has over the summoned edo is Unknown(if he could controll them at all), It's also unknown if he could bring them back to the same strength they were in life.

 

[blazekev90]

What exactly did you say?

The Senji bros are fodder and tobi is featless.

 

[Avinash012]

Being a Senji doesn't do you any good if you don't have that Wood.

So, being a Kage now gives you feats even though you didn't show any?

He still need to show feats with the S/Time techniques...the only think did was slash Izuna with it.

The best Water style user? where did you get that shit from?

Kisame is by far the best Water style user.

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Tobirama isn't completely featless....it's just that he isn't impressive.

Being a senju dosent mean he is strong.....?
Dude u should knw y senju are said to be strongest....!
do u think senju are said to be strongest just bcoz of Hashirama....?
I never Mentioned that he is strong just bcoz he is senju I said that he is the strongest senju after Hashirama and the fact that he became 2nd means that he is the strongest after Hashirama......!
About that Kage thing, I didn't had that much knwldge on Naruto.....I thought that a Kage is some one who is said to be the strongest of the village so he would obviously had a bunch of feats even if he hadn't shown any thing.....isn't it...?
So u think some one who can't beat a Jounin class ninja in water can be better waterstyle user than some one who can creat a high level water tech in a place where there is no sign of water right....?

 

[kickassjutsu]

It was a surprise attack the second wasn't prepared for. And a little nine tails chakra?? They were loaded with it. It never stated how the gin and kin brotheres died, for all we know they died in there attack on him.

 

[Penguin]

You're just naming techniques that he hasn't used in battle, overestimating their importance... What Taijutsu have you really seen from Tobirama? Created ONE S/T Jutsu, that has never been seen and ALREADY specified to be on a much lower level than Minato's FTG. In that time, everyone was a Kenjutsu specialist, it was a time of war. An Edo Tensei that was useless to him being incomplete and mastered by Orochimaru, only giving him credit for defeating Izuna...

And losing against Ginkaku & Kinkaku, he loses more credibility from me, as Darui defeated them, and Tobirama's intelligence "supposedly" far surpasses Darui, so how could he be defeated so easily? Well.. Darui having teammates that were defeated by the artifacts and analyzed defeats my statement. But hard to even believe Gin/Kin are even close to Madara & Izuna's ability. Even with some Nine-Tail's Chakra.

Your wrong on the bold counts sir! We need to take you into the Tobirama hate prison.

1. He was on par with Hiruzen's Taijutsu as an Edo who was very weak. Hiruzen has a 5 in taijutsu.
2. He created two S/T Jutsu! Hiraishin and Hiraishingiri.
3. Really. Can you name 10 people who specialized in Kenjutsu at the time?
4. Your point is? Anyone without a sealing jutsu would be killed. Madara said Tobirama used it in the wars and it worked. <3
5. Darui defeated them? I thought the SA, Darui, Ino-Shika-Cho, and Kitsuchi helped. I also thought the Raikage would deal with them personally due to there strength, but hell I could be wrong.
6. When was it stated Tobirama was defeated easily? How did the battle go? You have no idea. Tobirama might have saved the Raikage from a fatal wound and wound up really hurt.

 

[Koha]

Tobirama is one of the best S/T users because he is one of the only S/T users who can use S/T by himself. Top 3 in S/T

Please do not compare Kakashi's Suiton to Tobirama's or Kisame's or Mei's please.

I'm not comparing their ability in Suiton, whatsoever...... I'm telling you what's already been shown, when Kakashi used Water Wall WITHOUT a source.... In Part I that was impressive, in part II, it's not all that special anymore. And Mei has nothing to do with this, and hasn't show her Suiton capabilities yet either.

 

[Avinash012]

who is tobirama??

:nuts::nuts::nuts::nuts:

Oh u dnt knw who is Tobirama.....?
He is the brother of first Hokage(Hashirama)
He is 2nd Hokage.......
He is the teacher of 3rd Hokage who is the teacher of Sannins and Jiraya who is a student of 3rd is the teacher of Minato who is the teacher of the one in ur Avatar...............

And if Bee didn't have the Hachabi, he'd be defeated low diff, if that, by Kisame. Your point?

U better not forgot that Bee is one of the best Swords man as wel as one of the best lightning user..........
Kisame without Samehada uses a fodder sword ...Bee solo's him with his swords........
Waterstyle is weak against lightng............

 

[Koha]

Your wrong on the bold counts sir! We need to take you into the Tobirama hate prison.

1. He was on par with Hiruzen's Taijutsu as an Edo who was very weak. Hiruzen has a 5 in taijutsu.
2. He created two S/T Jutsu! Hiraishin and Hiraishingiri.
3. Really. Can you name 10 people who specialized in Kenjutsu at the time?
4. Your point is? Anyone without a sealing jutsu would be killed. Madara said Tobirama used it in the wars and it worked. <3
5. Darui defeated them? I thought the SA, Darui, Ino-Shika-Cho, and Kitsuchi helped. I also thought the Raikage would deal with them personally due to there strength, but hell I could be wrong.
6. When was it stated Tobirama was defeated easily? How did the battle go? You have no idea. Tobirama might have saved the Raikage from a fatal wound and wound up really hurt.

An extremely old and decrepit Hiruzen, which ENMA said he was NOWHERE near his capabilities anymore in youth, nothing but a shell of his former self.... Taijutsu was still powerful, but still extremely watered down... Plus, Edo Tobirama wasn't weak, Orochimaru had them emotionally destroy Hiruzen while still causing physical damage to him. Villain Handbook 101.

And still not of the scale of FTG and STILL un-used. There's plenty of opportunities where those Jutsu should've been used but hasn't... But Edos have an affinity for recklessness so I guess he wasn't concerned.

In their time, EVERY SHINOBI was a Kenjutsu user... How can I name 10 people from THAT time when only 6 Shinobi was elaborated upon. Hashirama, Tobirama, Madara, Izuna, and their fathers.

I'll give you the help with Gin/Kin ;D Lmaoo I am wrong on that, my apologies.

And Tobirama was completely blindsided and killed, we don't know how that battle ended, but it honestly didn't take long for him to die from the looks of it.















Btw, Kabuto already admitted Orochimaru mastered Edo Tensei, I'm still correct there

 

[Fodder#4]

U better not forgot that Bee is one of the best Swords man as wel as one of the best lightning user..........
Kisame without Samehada uses a fodder sword ...Bee solo's him with his swords........
Waterstyle is weak against lightng............

HAHAH, no. Without the Bijuu cloak to protect him from the dangerous effects that the lightning would have on both of them; if he decided to use it if they were in a lake. Killer Bee would receive injury as well. Kisame could trap Killer Bee in a Bakusui Shōha and then use the Goshokuzame; a jutsu that will trap and slowly rip Killer Bee apart.

Or, if need be, which it wouldn't. He could then use a thousand feeding sharks once the Bakusui Shōha is up. That, and Kisame's strength was noted to be Super Human, by Gai. A Taijutsu master. In a kenjutsu battle (supposing we allow Kisame his old sword, pre-Samehada) he would over power Killer be.

Kisame without Samehada>>>Killer Bee without the Hachibi.