Madara is Stronger than Hashirama

[Lightning Release]

Sorry, EMS is not base mode. Therefore, PS is not a base mode technique. You're wrong, get over it.

 

[ClydeFrog]

I'm already at my house. Just messing but I agree somewhat...I feel current Madara is stronger imho.

Agreed, Rinnegan is no joke, I'd like to see Madara use it more often.

 

[TrollingSage]

In terms of chakra. Base madara has more chakra reserves than base hashirama. Lets not forget that perfect susanoo is a tech of base madara, base hashirama has nothing that can compete with that. which is why the instant madara pulled it out at the vote, hashirama ran and was on the defensive. It took him SM which is an external augmentation of chakra to beat ps and compete on the same level. However, w.o sage mode there is no tech that the first possesses which can compete with ps's destructive power.

You're wrong. Hashirama needed SM to fight the fusion of the fox and perfect susano.

Doesnt matter what anyone thinks, what matters are facts:
Fact 1: madara went and confronted the senjus on his own after izunas death.
Fact 2: tobirama was ready to stab madara with his sword.
Fact 3: there were senjus standing all around madara alongside hashirama.
Fact 4: tobirama told oro u dont know madara as if he had fought him before.

Add it all up, it was the senju clan vs madara in that fight.

Funny. I seem to recall Madara and Hashirama being alone at the start of the fight.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Sorry, EMS is not base mode. Therefore, PS is not a base mode technique. You're wrong, get over it.

It uses base madaras chakra levels to operate. Since when do doujutsu come with their own chakra package?(dont answer if u dont understand this, it will only make u look like a fool).

 

[AlphaScythian]

Doesnt matter what anyone thinks, what matters are facts:
Fact 1: madara went and confronted the senjus on his own after izunas death.
Fact 2: tobirama was ready to stab madara with his sword.
Fact 3: there were senjus standing all around madara alongside hashirama.
Fact 4: tobirama told oro u dont know madara as if he had fought him before.

Add it all up, it was the senju clan vs madara in that fight.

Not to mention all those around especially hashirama and tobirama had clear signs of battle, so at very least it was senju bros vs madara. Not to mention they couldnt even wound him for 24 hours, only when he was out of chakra is when they got the chance.

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

No, I don't think so. Even with rinnegan, Hashirama still can go toe to toe with Madara.

 

[NarutoKage2]

You're wrong. Hashirama needed SM to fight the fusion of the fox and perfect susano.

Funny. I seem to recall Madara and Hashirama being alone at the start of the fight.

And yet there were several senjus including tobirama present at the end. Care to explain why?

Not to mention all those around especially hashirama and tobirama had clear signs of battle, so at very least it was senju bros vs madara. Not to mention they couldnt even wound him for 24 hours, only when he was out of chakra is when they got the chance.

I wont argue that madara couldve beaten them, but this does prove his chakra and stamina was great.

No, I don't think so. Even with rinnegan, Hashirama still can go toe to toe with Madara.

This thread is not about who can win in a fight.

 

[Lightbringer]

This is not confirmed. Perfect Susanoo has only been seen being used as an EMS technique.


Additionally, the Susanoo Itachi and Sasuke have are Completed Susanoo not perfect susanoo. Madara initiated Perfect Susanoo which was the ominous hooded looking form with his EMS, and then stabilized his perfect Susanoo. It was not a stabilized form of his Complete Susanoo as the looks of all three are diffrent.


Madara Complete: Two heads back to back....four arms...the pointed Obolisk like face.

Madara Perfect: Ominous hooded version...similar to Minazuki's Zanpaktou spirit or Mirlurks from Fallout.

Madara Stabilized: Giant Samurai

you're wrong on this account

this is complete susanoo

look at how all of them look similar

Madara then stabilized his complete susanoo to create PS; the same form both Itachi and Sasuke achieved during their MS.

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