Team Kakashi vrs Team Minato

[Brooks]

Unless you think Sasuke's featless hawk is faster than Pain's rockets / missiles and Shinra Tensei propelled nail, Sasuke's own Susano'o arrows, and BM Naruto, then it won't be saving him from Kamui. Obito's Kamui slightly fell short of Minato's Hiraishin, which is the fastest technique in the manga. Kakashi's Kamui outsped Obito's, which puts it just barely below Hiraishin.

Hell, early Part 2 Kakashi tagged an airborne Deidara (who was riding some sort of bird) and would have killed him if he had better expertise with Kamui. Kakashi's Kamui usage has dramatically increased since then. If he was able to tag airborne targets back then (albeit he got his arm rather than his head), he can easily do it now.



He fought the seven swordsmen, Sharingan equipped V2 Jinchuriki, and had the Sharingan active for the better part of two days. Sasuke has just entered the war, so comparing the two fighter's chakra consumption is a no-go at this point. Sure, hes used a few Mangekyo techniques, but who says Kakashi can't do the same if he was fresh? Kakashi only used 5 Kamui, but that's after extensive fighting, 8 on-panel Raikiri variants, 2 shadow clones (each of which splits his remaining chakra in half, mind you), and that's just what we saw on panel.

You're talking about objects that are moving in one direction....yes, the Hawk is far slower than all the things you named and i will be man and admit that, but you also have to remember all the objects Kamu warped was moving one direction and you also have to remember that Deidara's C2 dragon was going its full speed since Deidara wanted to capture Naruto by letting fellow him....Deidara would along be gone if didn't need to capture Naruto.

The 7 swordsmen aren't that strong and he also had help from the likes of Gai,Sai,Lee, and many other Shinobis.....yes, i know Kakashi also fought the V2 Jinchuriki.....when Sasuke fought Danzo in the Land of iron(which i think his Chakra wasn't fully revived 100% my i add)....Sasuke used Susanoo from the beginning of that fight to the end and still used techniques such as Amaterasu,Fire Style,Chidori, and summoning and was still able to use Susanoo against Kakashi after....even after he went blind....Sasuke still used Chidori to clash with Naruto's Rasnegan under the bridge of the Land of Iron....Sasuke has being in the war for over 65 chapters and even if that still little to you...it still doesn't change the fact he has being spamming technique after technique and he doesn't even look he's getting started from what i have seen.

 

[Champ]

No i was talking about base Minato here

- Naruto can use clones. So can Minato
- Naruto can use frog summons. So can Minato
- Naruto can use rasengan. So can Minato, and his normal rasengan is even greater and more powerful than Naruto's normal one(comparable to his Odama rasengan i'd say)
- It's in SM/KCM/BM that Naruto gains sensing abilities. Minato has it in base
- It's in KCM/BM that Naruto gains comparable speed to base Minato

And besides that, like i've stated, Minato still has Hiraishin, Fuinjutsus, S/T barriers, ninjutsu barrier and so on

The only thing Naruto has over his dad is FRS or Bijuudamas(upgraded versions of Rasengan), but all of them are useless against Minato's Hiraishin or S/T barrier(could even be killed by his own attacks in this case)

With KCM, i rate him on another level

Haha so base Minato is an "Minato is a superior version of Naruto" I hope you not sayin Minato > BM Naruto. He would have to get lucky and redirect Naruto attacks back at him, don't see any of that happening with BM speed

 

[Brooks]

Kamui warps Sasuke long before he can think of summoning a hawk.



Why would he have to warp Susanoo?

He can simply spawn the Kamui warp point -inside- it.



Proving*



Feats. It warped Sasuke's Susanoo arrow shortly before it struck ( and that takes way less than half a second ) since Kakashi first decided that he can't dodge it.

Read a book, will you?

Bold....

No need to summoning the hawk first.... all he needs is Aoda to keep Kakashi's attention...then Sasuke will summoning the hawk.

Hahaha...correcting people's grammar now? i know what i said kid....

I don't care how fast the time Kamui warped Susanoo arrow is...the fact you're still comparing Kirin's speed to Kamui time warping shows you lack of information from this series....the one who needs to read a book is obviously you....i am going to ask this again....where does it say Kamui takes a 1/1000 of a second?

Everyone here agrees that Sasuke is stronger than Kakashi except for you....now, go cry....

 

[Unorthodox]

No i was talking about base Minato here

- Naruto can use clones. So can Minato
- Naruto can use frog summons. So can Minato
- Naruto can use rasengan. So can Minato, and his normal rasengan is even greater and more powerful than Naruto's normal one(comparable to his Odama rasengan i'd say)
- It's in SM/KCM/BM that Naruto gains sensing abilities. Minato has it in base
- It's in KCM/BM that Naruto gains comparable speed to base Minato

And besides that, like i've stated, Minato still has Hiraishin, Fuinjutsus, S/T barriers, ninjutsu barrier and so on

The only thing Naruto has over his dad is FRS or Bijuudamas(upgraded versions of Rasengan), but all of them are useless against Minato's Hiraishin or S/T barrier(could even be killed by his own attacks in this case)

With KCM, i rate him on another level

1.Minato used 1 lilttle clone in edo form yet you try 2 compare his clones to naruto in quantity naruto can make army of sm clones 15 km about 5 bm minato only shown one dont compare there clones usage ever.

2.Naruto used 3 boss toads minato just used gamabunta plus naruto can use Ma & pa.

3. based on what feats how is his rasengan comparable to naruto naruto has rasenshurikens mini tbb large tbbs
also S/t barrier works slow naruto can easily dodge his tbb if thrown back at him base minato speed feats were not impressive at all km naruto dodged A punch on his feet while Minato needed ftg that should tell you something
And besides that, like i've stated, Minato still has Hiraishin, Fuinjutsus, S/T barriers, ninjutsu barrier and so on

The only thing Naruto has over his dad is FRS or Bijuudamas(upgraded versions of Rasengan), but all of them are useless against Minato's Hiraishin or S/T barrier(could even be killed by his own attacks in this case)

With KCM, i rate him on another level. also where is my narutofans Demonicavenger & Midday

also to add this kamui speed is not faster than Amaterasu there the same speed IMO

so if kakashi one shots with kamui sasuke one shots with Ama if the fight doesnt start off like that Aoda ends all chances of kamui

 

[Uchiha Style]

Comparing Kakashi to Sasuke....lol, the noobs in this place....

 

[hyuuga teddy]

Comparing Kakashi to Sasuke....lol, the noobs in this place....

Jeez another one just showed up

 

[xcoyote]

Comparing Kakashi to Sasuke....lol, the noobs in this place....

Agreed,Kakashi one shots.

 

[hyuuga teddy]

Unless you think Sasuke's featless hawk is faster than Pain's rockets / missiles and Shinra Tensei propelled nail, Sasuke's own Susano'o arrows, and BM Naruto, then it won't be saving him from Kamui. Obito's Kamui slightly fell short of Minato's Hiraishin, which is the fastest technique in the manga. Kakashi's Kamui outsped Obito's, which puts it just barely below Hiraishin.

Hell, early Part 2 Kakashi tagged an airborne Deidara (who was riding some sort of bird) and would have killed him if he had better expertise with Kamui. Kakashi's Kamui usage has dramatically increased since then. If he was able to tag airborne targets back then (albeit he got his arm rather than his head), he can easily do it now.



He fought the seven swordsmen, Sharingan equipped V2 Jinchuriki, and had the Sharingan active for the better part of two days. Sasuke has just entered the war, so comparing the two fighter's chakra consumption is a no-go at this point. Sure, hes used a few Mangekyo techniques, but who says Kakashi can't do the same if he was fresh? Kakashi only used 5 Kamui, but that's after extensive fighting, 8 on-panel Raikiri variants, 2 shadow clones (each of which splits his remaining chakra in half, mind you), and that's just what we saw on panel.

I love you so much man!!

 

[Uchiha Style]

Jeez another one just showed up

Says the one who said....

Kakashi stomps Sasuke.

 

[Uchiha Style]

Agreed,Kakashi one shots.

Huh, delusional as ever....

 

[Bogard]

1.Minato used 1 lilttle clone in edo form yet you try 2 compare his clones to naruto in quantity naruto can make army of sm clones 15 km about 5 bm minato only shown one dont compare there clones usage ever.

He effortlessly made 1KCM clone while maintaining that huge chakra taxing barrier, and he never stated it was even his limit, so he could have probably make much more if he really wanted, only that one was all what he needed to make his job done since Obito was already marked. Not even Hashirama could create SM clones while maintaining said barrier(they were normal) and Tobirama could only use 2clones while maintaining said barrier when he can normally make much more.

As a comparison, in KCM, Naruto has not shown the capacity to make more than 12clones(after using 12clones and met Itachi and Nagato, in the end he tried again and it reversed himself back to normal mode) and he on the contrary of his dad, doesn't have to maintain a huge chakra barrier

In his youth he was already capable to summon Gamabunta. During the night were he fought Obito, he already spent chakra maintaining Kushina's seal during Naruto's birth, yet he spammed FTG, S/T barrier(redirecting Bijuudamas), summoned Gamabunta, Gerotora, Shiki fujin, Hakke fuin, left a part of his chakra in Naruto and so on. Part1 Naruto(considered a chakra monster who spammed KB in the first chapter) couldn't summon Gamabunta without Kyubi's chakra. All that talks a lot about base Minato's chakra reserves

2.Naruto used 3 boss toads minato just used gamabunta plus naruto can use Ma & pa.

A contract with gamabunta is a contract with every toad. Minato can summon every toad just like his son. Besides, you're wrong, Minato also summoned Gerotora on panel to give him the key of the hakke fuin

3. based on what feats how is his rasengan comparable to naruto naruto has rasenshurikens mini tbb large tbbs
also S/t barrier works slow naruto can easily dodge his tbb if thrown back at him base minato speed feats were not impressive at all km naruto dodged A punch on his feet while Minato needed ftg that should tell you something
And besides that, like i've stated, Minato still has Hiraishin, Fuinjutsus, S/T barriers, ninjutsu barrier and so on

His rasengan

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The destructive capacity is also far greater. Minato's leveled the entire portion of the battlefield when it didn't even hit the ground directly(it hit Obito before)

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When KCM Naruto's barely scratched the ground

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And no, i find Minato's performance against Raikage more impressive because while Naruto only dodge the attack with Shunshin, Minato prepared his counter-attack by tossing a kunai above Raikage before dodging him and outsped him the instant later to deliver the fatal blow(where Raikage got saved by Bee) even before Raikage who was in V2 at the moment went through his tossed up kunai completely

Minato control his speed better than his son and it's been proven plenty of times during this war

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Everyone here agrees that Sasuke is stronger than Kakashi except for you

Mediocre, uneducated opinions never influenced my call.

Kamui still solos.

 

[Brooks]

Mediocre, uneducated opinions never influenced my call.

Kamui still solos.

Everyone agreeing that Sasuke is stronger than Kakashi shows you're simply wrong.

Kamui still solos? keep believing that....

 

[hyuuga teddy]

Everyone agreeing that Sasuke is stronger than Kakashi shows you're simply wrong.

Kamui still solos? keep believing that....

Not everyone believes Sasuke is stronger than Kakashi. I'm still here.
Kamui solos!!!

 

[Unorthodox]

He effortlessly made 1KCM clone while maintaining that huge chakra taxing barrier, and he never stated it was even his limit, so he could have probably make much more if he really wanted, only that one was all what he needed to make his job done since Obito was already marked. Not even Hashirama could create SM clones while maintaining said barrier(they were normal) and Tobirama could only use 2clones while maintaining said barrier when he can normally make much more.

As a comparison, in KCM, Naruto has not shown the capacity to make more than 12clones(after using 12clones and met Itachi and Nagato, in the end he tried again and it reversed himself back to normal mode) and he on the contrary of his dad, doesn't have to maintain a huge chakra barrier

In his youth he was already capable to summon Gamabunta. During the night were he fought Obito, he already spent chakra maintaining Kushina's seal during Naruto's birth, yet he spammed FTG, S/T barrier(redirecting Bijuudamas), summoned Gamabunta, Gerotora, Shiki fujin, Hakke fuin, left a part of his chakra in Naruto and so on. Part1 Naruto(considered a chakra monster who spammed KB in the first chapter) couldn't summon Gamabunta without Kyubi's chakra. All that talks a lot about base Minato's chakra reserves
A contract with gamabunta is a contract with every toad. Minato can summon every toad just like his son. Besides, you're wrong, Minato also summoned Gerotora on panel to give him the key of the hakke fuin

His rasengan

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when KCM Naruto's

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The destructive capacity is also far greater. Minato's leveled the entire portion of the battlefield when it didn't even hit the ground directly(it hit Obito before)

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When KCM Naruto's barely scratched the ground

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And no, i find Minato's performance against Raikage more impressive because while Naruto only dodge the attack with Shunshin, Minato prepared his counter-attack by tossing a kunai above Raikage before dodging him and outsped him the instant later to deliver the fatal blow(where Raikage got saved by Bee) even before Raikage who was in V2 at the moment went through his tossed up kunai completely

Minato control his speed better than his son and it's been proven plenty of times during this war

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This what iv been waiting for also he never sateted it was his limit because he never got a chance to also when does chakra reservers do with anything sasuke clould make a shadow clone his has large chakra reservers but as jiraiya explained Some people usage on shadow clones is different naruto has been shown the most proficent at clones in the series hashirama wood clones were no match for madara as he was killing them off effortlessly while naruto who created clones was on kage level.

Naruto used Gamabunta at age 12 ofc he needed kurama chakra also Minato has other sealing users was helping minato with the seals and summonings three 3 toads at once takes more chakra than minato has he has never master sage mode or even learned how to use ma & pa making the contract means he is Acceptable doesnt mean he has it as it hashit been shown or even notable that he can do it He redirected 2 tbbs 1 didnt even get out of kurama mouth Ftg most likely is the most chakra depleting jutsu Naruto has been fighting in this war since he got off the islands it has been about 5 days since naruto started fighting dont compare there chakra reserves its laughable

Naruto just used Km and had 15 clones out ofc is rasengan to take down foddders would'nt be a full power his odome rasengan has shown more power than any of minato's rasengan

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This is even before the explosion also Km can use multiple rasengans at once plus rasenshurikens

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planetary rasengan is dealy aswell
Sm naruto rasengans sent nagato summonings flying
Minato is clearly outclassed in a rasengan battle.

Minato speed is fast but even kakashi Mistake naruto foot speed with FTG when he deflected 5 tbbs in all different directions at once naruto isnt good with his speed but he knows when to use well against fast opponents

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Lets say bm runs out when minato still is alive he would have enough km clones to fool minato bee was able to counter ftg naruto who is faster & has better reactions time could to also bijuu dama barrage isnt getting s/t barrier since a clone used bijuu dama before Minato isnt outlasting or out classing him So i clearly dont see how he wins ​