Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...
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The Sandaime Kazekage would have fit nicely there, however, making the pattern 1, 2, 3, ect.
The "but we didn't know anything about him yet" argument: We knew just as much as we did about the Sandaime Kazekage at the time as we did about the Shodai and Nidaime Hokages. The only difference: We knew what the Shodai and Nidaime Hokage's faces looked like. And the flashbacks of Sarutobi with Shodai and Nidaime? To intoduce them to us a little. Face it, before the fight, we knew just about as much about the Shodai and Nidaime Hokages as we knew about the Sandaime Kazekage: practically nothing. If the Sandaime Kazekage was first summoned here in his real body, instead of during the Sasori fight as a puppet, we would have learned about who he was there during the fight. Baki or someone would somehow noticed one of the Sandaime Kazekage's ninjutsus and say "That... couldn't be!" like one of the Anbu did when they noticed Shodai's jutsu.
The "Sarutobi was afraid of who was in the coffin" argument: Sandaime was already going to have to fight two other Kages and then Orochimaru, a very difficult thing to do. It didn't really matter who was in the coffin, he just didn't want to have to fight a total of four opponents. From the pattern, it's almost 99% chance of being true that the person in the last coffin was another Kage. If that summon had been succesful, Sarutobi would have had to fight a total of four Kages (Orochimaru=Otokage), which is nowhere near an easy thing to do.
And don't forget the Sandaime Kazekage's Iron Sand jutsus are just as dangerous as Shodai's mokuton jutsus and Nidaime's suiton jutsus. Fighting three people who use techniques such as those would be no where near easy, so he had to take down at least one coffin, to give himself a better chance of winning. Fighting four Kages would have just been too much for Sarutobi, and he knew he had to take one out, if he wanted a good chance of winning.
The "Sarutobi knew it was Yondaime" argument: And Sarutobi can't be wrong? He has some psychic powers that told him he was going to summon Yondaime? Summoning the Sandime Kazekage would have also completed and made a pattern. Sarutobi's hunch was that it was going to be Yondaime. However, it could have just as easily been the Sandaime Kazekage.
Character's can be wrong and make mistakes. I don't see what's so hard to grasp about this. After all, if this were right, I assume Sai must be right about Naruto making a mistake and only would have gotten in the way during the teamwork training exercise. And that Itachi must be right about how killing your best friend is the only way to get the MS. Face it, characters can make mistakes and be wrong and there is every chance that Sarutobi could have been wrong here.
The "but we didn't know anything about him yet" argument: We knew just as much as we did about the Sandaime Kazekage at the time as we did about the Shodai and Nidaime Hokages. The only difference: We knew what the Shodai and Nidaime Hokage's faces looked like. And the flashbacks of Sarutobi with Shodai and Nidaime? To intoduce them to us a little. Face it, before the fight, we knew just about as much about the Shodai and Nidaime Hokages as we knew about the Sandaime Kazekage: practically nothing. If the Sandaime Kazekage was first summoned here in his real body, instead of during the Sasori fight as a puppet, we would have learned about who he was there during the fight. Baki or someone would somehow noticed one of the Sandaime Kazekage's ninjutsus and say "That... couldn't be!" like one of the Anbu did when they noticed Shodai's jutsu.
The "Sarutobi was afraid of who was in the coffin" argument: Sandaime was already going to have to fight two other Kages and then Orochimaru, a very difficult thing to do. It didn't really matter who was in the coffin, he just didn't want to have to fight a total of four opponents. From the pattern, it's almost 99% chance of being true that the person in the last coffin was another Kage. If that summon had been succesful, Sarutobi would have had to fight a total of four Kages (Orochimaru=Otokage), which is nowhere near an easy thing to do.
And don't forget the Sandaime Kazekage's Iron Sand jutsus are just as dangerous as Shodai's mokuton jutsus and Nidaime's suiton jutsus. Fighting three people who use techniques such as those would be no where near easy, so he had to take down at least one coffin, to give himself a better chance of winning. Fighting four Kages would have just been too much for Sarutobi, and he knew he had to take one out, if he wanted a good chance of winning.
The "Sarutobi knew it was Yondaime" argument: And Sarutobi can't be wrong? He has some psychic powers that told him he was going to summon Yondaime? Summoning the Sandime Kazekage would have also completed and made a pattern. Sarutobi's hunch was that it was going to be Yondaime. However, it could have just as easily been the Sandaime Kazekage.
Character's can be wrong and make mistakes. I don't see what's so hard to grasp about this. After all, if this were right, I assume Sai must be right about Naruto making a mistake and only would have gotten in the way during the teamwork training exercise. And that Itachi must be right about how killing your best friend is the only way to get the MS. Face it, characters can make mistakes and be wrong and there is every chance that Sarutobi could have been wrong here.
NineTailedSharingan
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Omg dude why are you talking crap he was trying to get the 4th ( Minato ) if he is trying to get 1st and 2nd hokage then he would try to get the 4th too and you must have seen 3th face when he saw the last chest he said i cant let that happen because he knew that its was the 4th hokage
Omg dude dont be so cocky
i just gave a proper argument above. I am waiting for yours...Omg dude why are you talking crap he was trying to get the 4th ( Minato ) if he is trying to get 1st and 2nd hokage then he would try to get the 4th too and you must have seen 3th face when he saw the last chest he said i cant let that happen because he knew that its was the 4th hokage
Omg dude dont be so cocky
Scorpio0Pharaoh0Titan
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Deidara...
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this is plausable but there is a major flaw in your logic ninja that the opponent knows are stronger than him can cause the opponent to get desperate and sloppy leading to an easy kill its more likely that the 4th was in the coffin because the third would know he was outclassed (if it was a kaze kage he wouldnt be as threatened soley because the chances of the third kazekage being stronger than the 4th hokage are slim to none)
and orochimaru likes to collect things why would he taint his collection of hokages by adding a kazekage. your reasoning is not bad just a little unlikely
(even semi solid arguements are better for disagreement than rants i feel ur pain)
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loves2spooge
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The 4th could have lightning, we know he had wind from the rasengan being created... if he was hokage he would need 2 or 3 elements. don't see why it couldn't be lightning, he was fast like lightning lol
NineTailedSharingan
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I still think that he wanted to summon the 4th hokage and not the kazekage
it is more reasonable / logical that it was minato he has more to do with that situation back then at the fight
Saimaroimaru
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I know i'm gonna get flammed for this but I think Oro tried to summon the Fourth Kazekage to tell you the truth.
Mighty Curtain Messiah
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Im Lost The 1st Beat Madara The King Of The Sharigan But Lost To The 3rd Who Was Scared To Fight The 4th The Guy Who Could'nt Defeat Tobi Thats Strange??
Holy Cowboy
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1st beat Madara through some kind of way that hasn't been revealed to us yet besides ability to 'petly' control the bijuu.
He lost to the 3rd due to 3rd's death god jutsu.
He was scared to fight the 4th due to the flying thundergod thing and maybe a few others that get expanded on in the manga later on ( for now mainly due to FTG jutsu ).
4th had to use a death god jutsu to foil tobi's plans for konoha domination via 'f u kyuubi.'
-sidenote- I don't see why the denial complex is being maintained as to the forth corpse being Minato.
He lost to the 3rd due to 3rd's death god jutsu.
He was scared to fight the 4th due to the flying thundergod thing and maybe a few others that get expanded on in the manga later on ( for now mainly due to FTG jutsu ).
4th had to use a death god jutsu to foil tobi's plans for konoha domination via 'f u kyuubi.'
-sidenote- I don't see why the denial complex is being maintained as to the forth corpse being Minato.
eyesofthekyuubi44
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One thing I kinda noticed... Why are you calling him Sarutobi-sama? Why not just Sarutobi? Your a 3d figure. He's a 2d figure. He should be calling YOU sama.
same goes for you, you cant prove it wasnt, but judging from the 3rd's reaction it probly was because he had the reaper death seal if necesary but by stoping the coffin it show that he knew he couldnt fight against it
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Shisui Uchiha
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It did not have 4 on it. Go back and read it, because you are genuinely wrong about this. There is absolutely NO proof of who it was, only speculation. As to why Sarutobi wouldn't want it summoned. THINK ABOUT IT. If it was Orochimaru's summon it would have been a Kage level ninja. 4 Kage level ninjas vs. 1 Kage level ninja is a lot different than 3 v 1.it had 4 written on it,
what associates to 4?
all the 4th kages.
sound 4.
kabuto (4-eyes) jkjk.
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