Madara vs Jiraya!!! Who would have won?
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mmm, probably madara if he has control of the kyuubi. but the madara today, hmmmm. really can't say, cuz we really don't know any of madara's abilities.
but i voted madara since with the kyuubi he defeated minato, and if he could defeat minato with kyuubi, then he could most likely defeat jiraiya as well.
one thing tho, the hermit genjutsu rips the soul out of the body and traps it making the trapped victum of the genjutsu completely defenseless, even if their was someone to force chakra into their body. in other words, if you happen to get trapped in the frog genjutsu, the fight is over. i know he could use this on madara, but would it destroy the kyuubi?
but i voted madara since with the kyuubi he defeated minato, and if he could defeat minato with kyuubi, then he could most likely defeat jiraiya as well.
one thing tho, the hermit genjutsu rips the soul out of the body and traps it making the trapped victum of the genjutsu completely defenseless, even if their was someone to force chakra into their body. in other words, if you happen to get trapped in the frog genjutsu, the fight is over. i know he could use this on madara, but would it destroy the kyuubi?
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madara cant be hit if it was oro oro could at least hit him with some forbidden teqs and yes J is very skilled but i still think that M would win im not saying it would be easy but i still think that M would win
well, we cannot underestimate jiraiya. just because madara looks like the biggest baddest villian, doesn't make him all powerful. pein seemed to rape jiraiya towards the end of their fight, but remember, pein said that if jiraiya knew that it was nagato and his chakra reciever rods from the beginning, jiraiya would have destroyed pein.
if madara has kyuubi, he can most likely beat anyone except 1st because 1st can control kyuubi. kyuubi is overpowered in the naruto universe. of course who ever could control him would become the strongest, it's pure common sense for the naruto world. but if madara fought jiraiya without kyuubi, i think it would be a HELL OF A FIGHT!!!!!!!
if madara has kyuubi, he can most likely beat anyone except 1st because 1st can control kyuubi. kyuubi is overpowered in the naruto universe. of course who ever could control him would become the strongest, it's pure common sense for the naruto world. but if madara fought jiraiya without kyuubi, i think it would be a HELL OF A FIGHT!!!!!!!
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That's exactly what I was saying. You cant put Jiraiya out there like a b!^@#. He's one the most feared shonbi we have seen in the Naruto universe. The way I look at it is nobody wanted to fight Jiraiya on even playing field, where they both had info on each other. Kisame and Itachi ran, and Pain knew that Jiraiya would have kicked his panzy(retro moment there) @$$ if wouldn't have had figure out his secret during the fight so as far as I see nobody wanted a piece of Ero Sennin.
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I belive that the first only beat madara becasue he had control of wood and therefore could stop the kyubii however jiraya doesn;t have this power and would lose regardless of his aparent awesomeness
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Yep. Madara w/o question. He's probably the strongest character in the Naruto Manga even while Jiraiya was alive... O.O
If Jiraiya had trouble with Pein and Pein was second to Madara, then Madara beats Jiraiya...
If Jiraiya had trouble with Pein and Pein was second to Madara, then Madara beats Jiraiya...
Yeah I have to say Madara, I love Jiraiya but no question Madara. There is absolutly nothing anyone in the ninja world that we know of that can even hit Madara/Tobi. He almost definatly has very powerful sharingan genjutsu, he has EMS.
Yes Jiraiya is awsome, he has Sage Mode, Itachi and Kisame ran, Pain said that if he knew thier secret he prolly would have won. But Can you honestly believe that he could beat the one who controled the 9 tailed fox like a pet, see through everything that the 4th did, when the fourth is stronger than jiraiya,
So what can Jiraiya do against that?
Yes Jiraiya is awsome, he has Sage Mode, Itachi and Kisame ran, Pain said that if he knew thier secret he prolly would have won. But Can you honestly believe that he could beat the one who controled the 9 tailed fox like a pet, see through everything that the 4th did, when the fourth is stronger than jiraiya,
So what can Jiraiya do against that?
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Dude Jiraiya didnt knew anything about pain if he knew everything just like naruto did from the start then J-man would have ripped pain's Ass
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i did vote on madara i didnt say anything about j-man being stronger then madara i was saying that j-man is stronger then pain if he knows everything about him from the start just like naruto did
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Wow, for once me and peaceful agree.
Pain saying "if youd known my secret to being so strong, youd have won"
Is like pain saying
"If hermit mode was cancelled, you had no ninetails and i understood your moves, id have won"
Well duh.
Many shinobi could own pain if they understood his secret, not just Jiraiya.
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I dont remember toad genjutsu ripping out souls and such, what manga # was this in??
Young madara with 9tails vs Jman
winner:Madara
Tobi/Madara vs Jman
winner:Tobi/madara
Tobi/Madara vs Jiraiya who knows how his jutsus work and figured all his secrets out prior to fight
Winner:Jiraiya
Pain saying "if youd known my secret to being so strong, youd have won"
Is like pain saying
"If hermit mode was cancelled, you had no ninetails and i understood your moves, id have won"
Well duh.
Many shinobi could own pain if they understood his secret, not just Jiraiya.
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What manga is this said in??
I dont remember toad genjutsu ripping out souls and such, what manga # was this in??
Young madara with 9tails vs Jman
winner:Madara
Tobi/Madara vs Jman
winner:Tobi/madara
Tobi/Madara vs Jiraiya who knows how his jutsus work and figured all his secrets out prior to fight
Winner:Jiraiya
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Dude, JIraya wouldnt have won Pein even if he knew the secrets of his. Naruto who pretty much did, still failed to defeat a 30% Pein. (He was coughing up blood when he started fighting Naruto). Moreover, Naruto was exhausted and couldnt stand after the pein fight and Pein killed himself. He could have taken over Naruto with whatever jutsu he had there, but used that Rinne Tensei.
And do you really think Jiraya could have won Madara even if he knew his secret techniques?
Eveyone knew that MInato had space/time technique called FTG but noone could defeat him :|
Madara's technique is even greater.
There are techniques and abilities that are just.. impossible for someone to defeat even if you know how they work.
Jiraya is strong and so on, but he lost to Pein and Pein didnt even use his God Realm. ANd this was a fair fight, because Pein didn't know about Jiraya's abilities too.
Now think about it, Madara was controlling Pein who wasnt the one who would like to obey someone and Jiraya lost to Pein without him even using a God Realm. This only shows how strong Madara is.. and that he is on a whole different level of power.
Madara
Pein
Naruto/Itachi/Kirabi
JIraya/Orochimaru/Ms Sasuke/