[Theory] [Spoiler] Obito's Fate

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Being new to this forum I'm not sure if this is necessary here but just to be safe: Major Spoilers

Since Kishimoto is a very symbolic writer, this theory will mostly just be analyzing symbols to derive a conclusion. Most of the logic will come from patterns that Kishimoto likes to include so subtly and frequently.

Anyways grab a snack and a beverage if you want. This one might be long.

With that out of of the way, lets get started shall we =D

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1. Since the introduction of Tobi, Obito's character development has been heavily undertoned with ideas of duality. The duality symbolism as Tobi was subtle but has been consistently present through:

A) His personality and "acts" were dualistic-

His front as funny and charismatic Tobi
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His front as serious and villain mastermind Madara

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B) His Appearance

His body is literally half Senju half Uchiha, half "artificial body with no feelings" half human, half zetsu half human, etc.

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He has the eye of the curse of hatred and the eye of the Sage. The white mask design is also that of the Juubi's eye, which visually looks like a combination of the two.

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When Obito uses what I assume is woodstyle here. The tree represents life, but the bloodshed and bodies twist it into a mass and violent representation of death. Also, one side of his face is shedding a tear while the other is stained with blood. Both points are subtle and seem nitpicky, but I don't believe it was by chance given all of these dualistic themes involved with him.

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C) He spoke to both Naruto and Sasuke, narrating past plot that essentially conveys the Yin Yang concepts:

To Sasuke, it was the Senju and Uchiha conflict

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To Naruto, it was mainly the story of the Elder and Younger sons, where it strongly hints that Naruto and Sasuke represent the two sons.

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The duality/Yin Yang concept is a major theme between characters in Naruto, however it only really consistently occurs through the interaction of two characters. Obito seems to be the exception, in which duality is consistently represented through him solely, either symbolically or otherwise. Why is that?

2. In his narration to Konan is when he starts to define the Sage of Six Paths

A) He characterizes the Sage as a dualistic entity

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B) Once again the Juubi's eye, but it has a Yin Yang symbol in the middle of it this time, further pushing the dualistic theme that the Sage also has.

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C) States that the Sages power was to use Yin Yang abilities to turn imagination into reality, which is exactly what Obito wants to do.

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3. Although originally Madara's plan, Obito is the only villain who has been advancing The Moon Eye Plan and the only one who truly seems to care about completing it. Completing the plan and turning imagination into reality is Obito's entire goal at this point. His goal is to have the power of creation like the Sage of Six Paths did.

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4. Obito wants the Sage's power and has gone through great actions to acquire it, however, they are all opposite of what the Sage was known for.

A) It has been hinted that Rikudou was a great bringer of peace. Obito is a great bringer of war.

B) Rikudou separated the tailed beasts from the ten tails. Obito brought the tailed beasts back together to recreate the ten tails.

The conclusion here is that Obito is meant to be a foil character to Rikudou. Both characters seem extremely similar in the symbols and actions used to represent them, but comparison of their character is dualistic, and they are like Yin and Yang.

5. Although Kakashi is generally accepted as the main foil character to Obito, at this point I believe he is mainly a supporting character that is meant to highlight Obito's dualism in the most recent chapters.

A) Obito attempts to break Naruto's philosophies, which are exactly the same as Obito originally believed in. Kakashi immediately notices that Obito is essentially fighting himself.

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B) Madara also notices that Obito seems to await Naruto's response

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C) Kakashi confirms that Obito is fighting himself through Naruto

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D) Kakashi repeats Obito's own words back to him, symbolizing once again, that Obito is fighting himself

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At this point, Obito's character development is reaching its climax as Kishimoto uses other characters to symbolize the dualistic conflict that is going on within Obito. He is attempting to rival the Sage of the Six Paths and is close to making his "imagination into reality." Now his Elder curse of hatred self is trying to deny his Younger will of fire self through other characters, but Madara and Kakashi have both seen that Obito is still fighting between the two internally for some reason.

Conclusion: Obito is currently at a crossroads and he has a choice to make between the two paths. Due to his current position as a near perfect foil to Rikudou currently, he will most likely take the curse of hatred path. If that happens he will probably kill Kakashi and take back his sharingan in place of the rinnegan to symbolize his full role as a corrupted Sage of the Six paths, with matching eyes that fittingly can bend reality (Kamui).

He will then pit Naruto and Sasuke against each other as foreshadowed by Obito


And in true Kishimoto fashion, Obito will have his moment of redemption. At his moment of death he will admit his failure to turn reality into imagination, and will choose his true successor that will separate the tailed beasts once again, end the cycle of hatred, and create a peaceful world where everybody can be happy.

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Wow. This is an excellent analysis.
I have two comments to make:

1: I think Tobi as a comic relief character was foreshadowing his childhood link to Kakashi
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2: I really do hope Obito has an enlightenment but as he is my favourite character I hope he has it before he takes a finishing blow.

(also I can't beleive I'm the first commenter on such a great thread)
 

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Wow. This is an excellent analysis.
I have two comments to make:

1: I think Tobi as a comic relief character was foreshadowing his childhood link to Kakashi
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2: I really do hope Obito has an enlightenment but as he is my favourite character I hope he has it before he takes a finishing blow.

(also I can't beleive I'm the first commenter on such a great thread)

Thank you for the great feedback. And I agree, original Tobi was a representation of his childhood Will of Fire. Also, I guarantee that he will have a redemption at his death, recognizing Naruto as the only one with the true ability to surpass Rikudou and himself, and create the reality they both only could imagine.

P.S- I was starting to think that I was just imagining these crazy patterns and that was why it was dormant for days lol. =D Thank you for letting me know that others can see what I am seeing :)
 

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great thread and analysis.
 

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wow, you really put thought and worked for this theory. nice work!

it is importent to note that obito hides himself a lot, not only through a mask but also with names. he never refers to himself as obito even after being revealed. like he is trying to hide (from himself maybe) the fact that he is obito:

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And superb thread..Thanked you..U deserve it :win:
 
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And superb thread..Thanked you..U deserve it :win:

Thank you! It is nice to hear appreciation from a fellow theorist! =D

wow, you really put thought and worked for this theory. nice work!

it is importent to note that obito hides himself a lot, not only through a mask but also with names. he never refers to himself as obito even after being revealed. like he is trying to hide (from himself maybe) the fact that he is obito:

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This is an excellent observation. I think it mostly has to do with his Current Self trying to deny his Younger Self. Part of him regrets his Will of Fire while part of him regrets his Curse of Hatred. So he would prefer no identity. Very interesting. Thank you for your post =D

great thread and analysis.

Thank you SageMode! :)
 
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People should read this before commenting, It's very interesting xd
 

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You've missed a few points. Obito's fate is less important than who he kills next. Obito/Juubito just became the most powerful character in the manga. Given how intent he is on making Naruto suffer, it's a fair bet that he will kill Sakura, Kakashi or someone else just to prove a point.

Anyone putting Kakashi or Naruto in Juubito's league is a retarded fanboy.
 

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You've missed a few points. Obito's fate is less important than who he kills next. Obito/Juubito just became the most powerful character in the manga. Given how intent he is on making Naruto suffer, it's a fair bet that he will kill Sakura, Kakashi or someone else just to prove a point.

Anyone putting Kakashi or Naruto in Juubito's league is a retarded fanboy.

Naruto will be the one to stop him in the end because he is the "savior" and the "hero"

But Obito will raise hell before that happens.
 

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Naruto will be the one to stop him in the end because he is the "savior" and the "hero"

But Obito will raise hell before that happens.

Agreed. Naruto will ultimately be responsible for stopping Obito, but probably either at the cost of his own life, Sasuke's life or possibly Kakashi. I don't see Obito going down easy after this. Even if he did, Madara would just become the 10 tails Jinch instead. Current BM Naruto is not top 5.

That belongs squarely to Obito, Madara, Kabuto, Hashirama and possibly Nagato. It's arguable BM Naruto isn't even top 10.
 

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You've missed a few points. Obito's fate is less important than who he kills next. Obito/Juubito just became the most powerful character in the manga. Given how intent he is on making Naruto suffer, it's a fair bet that he will kill Sakura, Kakashi or someone else just to prove a point.

Anyone putting Kakashi or Naruto in Juubito's league is a retarded fanboy.

The purpose of this thread was a character analysis through the lens of symbolism and the theme of new generations reliving the old generations to determine Obito's role in the story as a main villain. It is more of a big picture type thing and is important in the long run of the plot, but does not fill in the chapter to chapter events.

Regarding your thoughts, I do have a strong feeling though that Obito's next target will be a sharingan user, but that would take an entirely different theory and a new thread to support.
 

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If Obito's roasted his own Sharingan to use Izanagi, I think he will go after Kakashi. Kakashi's basically out of chakra and half dead. He's also isolated in Kamui-verse, making him the easiest target.
 

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Great thread, great analysis. Thank you a lot a lot a lot man!

It is also clear that he is denying his old self. About the redemption, i think it would be like Sōjirō's outburst in Rurouni Kenshin.

Again, thanks ghostproject!
 

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Man good post, no spelling or grammar errors and manga proof for well written theory.
 

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Great thread, great analysis. Thank you a lot a lot a lot man!

It is also clear that he is denying his old self. About the redemption, i think it would be like Sōjirō's outburst in Rurouni Kenshin.

Again, thanks ghostproject!

Thank you! And yes, he is going to hit a moment of frustration/insanity once Naruto gains the upperhand and Obito realizes that he cannot deny the Will of Fire =D A good point!

Man good post, no spelling or grammar errors and manga proof for well written theory.

Thank you! If you all are willing to take the time to read and understand it, then I should take the time to make it presentable right? :) Much appreciated!
 

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good shit. i hope minato ftgs to kakashi and ftgs him out since he already has his tag on him.
 

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Agreed. Naruto will ultimately be responsible for stopping Obito, but probably either at the cost of his own life, Sasuke's life or possibly Kakashi. I don't see Obito going down easy after this. Even if he did, Madara would just become the 10 tails Jinch instead. Current BM Naruto is not top 5.

That belongs squarely to Obito, Madara, Kabuto, Hashirama and possibly Nagato. It's arguable BM Naruto isn't even top 10.

this guy is a douche. kabuto is fodder.... orichimaru shits on him. hes just a sasuke fan boy. naruto is top 5 easily hes got 8 tailed beast in him and is the next rikido. he still hasn't reached his prime. sasuke fan boys are the worst
 

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awesome thread. Maby Obito wants to choose a successor..? (Naruto or Sasuke)
 
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