[FEAR] Analysis of Juubi's Eye: Controlled by Blessed Eyes

[Oksus]

SO6P is not a Hyuga. What's up with all you Hyuga fanboys today... First Byakugan > Sharingan then Byakugan > MS then SO6P had a wife that was Hyuga, then SO6P is Hyuga himself.. Idk whats wrong with people on here today...

 

[sagenaruto29]

U know wats funny bout everyone's theories and input on the sage's bloodlines and how he was able to get da rinnegan is no one yet have mentioned the most obvious. Damn I hate doing this writing. But I really think the sage's was either naminkaze (minato's bloodlines) or his bloodline and uchiha bloodline together. I believe that minato's clan specialized in s/t tech and physical speed wit a keen ability to focus and mold charka considerably younger than most clans hence minato's speed n power so young. I think when da sage did have sons like any other person they gained half their father's DNA which one gained the body and one gained the eyes. When da descendants of the older son started growing and having kids sum wee born without the hatred in their eyes because of the special bonds they had with their parents all throughout life which would b later known as hyuugas, basically uchichas without a sharing an and no senju DNA. Therefore, we pretty much know the sage had to have the rinnegan before fighting the junk, as Madara said u have to have both uchiha and senju DNA to unlock the rinnegan and Tobi (Obito) said to Konan dat he was the 3rd path of the sage of six paths. This is why definitely Narutobase will b the next sage of six paths he has everything required all bijuus, the body, the pure heart and zero malice, all he needs is the eyes which I believe he will unlock with not only the other half of kurama's charka, which I haven't decided if Kishi will make were Minato's has to b alive or not, and the build up of chakra he maybe still generating from Itachi. I imagine chakra is like DNA, just like skin, eyes, or anything else from da body. Plus did u see how fast Naruto gathered chakra and awakened the mangekeyo in Shisui's eye. Now imagine dat charka still growing but not being used because its yin chakra and right now Naruto lacks the eyes. Now combined that super reserve yin chakra and the other half of kurama's yin chakra combined. I figure he will awakes the rinnegan and the soul of the sage will appear. Buts that's another theory.

 

[FearxDeath]

Dont forget that juubi got more muscular since then.
They were using rinnegan too, no doubt. Note that when they started to use hashi cells as told by madara they already had one link in place. I think they simply were pumping more chakra there.
Madara mentioned that hashi cells alone were enough for gedo control, resorting to hashi cells after rinnegan hints its limit. Also obito was away for a while, you think madara could tame it alone with rinnegan?

Not to mention that rinnegan or byakugan never displayed any genjutsu and the best control tool it had were the rods. Created by madara and used in gedo and bijus, it wasnt so easy for nagato vs kyuubi.

You always have the most thought invoking questions.

Madara tamed Kurama alone with his Sharingan, I think an Edo Madara with hashirama cells could tame the Juubi with a Rinnegan. Oh and about your comment about Nagato not knowing Genjutsu. [

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[FearxDeath]

SO6P is not a Hyuga. What's up with all you Hyuga fanboys today... First Byakugan > Sharingan then Byakugan > MS then SO6P had a wife that was Hyuga, then SO6P is Hyuga himself.. Idk whats wrong with people on here today...

LOL, True

U know wats funny bout everyone's theories and input on the sage's bloodlines and how he was able to get da rinnegan is no one yet have mentioned the most obvious. Damn I hate doing this writing. But I really think the sage's was either naminkaze (minato's bloodlines) or his bloodline and uchiha bloodline together. I believe that minato's clan specialized in s/t tech and physical speed wit a keen ability to focus and mold charka considerably younger than most clans hence minato's speed n power so young. I think when da sage did have sons like any other person they gained half their father's DNA which one gained the body and one gained the eyes. When da descendants of the older son started growing and having kids sum wee born without the hatred in their eyes because of the special bonds they had with their parents all throughout life which would b later known as hyuugas, basically uchichas without a sharing an and no senju DNA. Therefore, we pretty much know the sage had to have the rinnegan before fighting the junk, as Madara said u have to have both uchiha and senju DNA to unlock the rinnegan and Tobi (Obito) said to Konan dat he was the 3rd path of the sage of six paths. This is why definitely Narutobase will b the next sage of six paths he has everything required all bijuus, the body, the pure heart and zero malice, all he needs is the eyes which I believe he will unlock with not only the other half of kurama's charka, which I haven't decided if Kishi will make were Minato's has to b alive or not, and the build up of chakra he maybe still generating from Itachi. I imagine chakra is like DNA, just like skin, eyes, or anything else from da body. Plus did u see how fast Naruto gathered chakra and awakened the mangekeyo in Shisui's eye. Now imagine dat charka still growing but not being used because its yin chakra and right now Naruto lacks the eyes. Now combined that super reserve yin chakra and the other half of kurama's yin chakra combined. I figure he will awakes the rinnegan and the soul of the sage will appear. Buts that's another theory.

This sir to me resembles diarehea, watery with no substance. Not to mention its full of SH*T. Not going to bother addressing how almost everything is wrong in there but just so you know, the SO6P's son STARTED the Uchiha clan, so how the SO6P can be an Uchiha is beyond me. That mistake gave away your knowledge on the matter, you follow up by saying minato's clan specialized in speed tech, but we only know of 1 Namikaze clan member in all of Naruto history and that is Minato.... With that same logic can I assume that Orochimaru's clan specialized in snakes because he has a bunch of snakes and his parents were killed by snakes? Not to mention the fact that Kakashi already stated that the Origins of the uchiha clan lie within the Hyuga clan, while your statement proposes the complete opposite, and also... nevermind im done. But I could go on... but im done, but I coould go on...

Your probably going to think im an *******, and I am not. There is just this thing when ignorant people, which may have a negative connotation but being ignorant isnt really a bad thing, propose something to be near fact when it is not even close to being so. "no one yet have mentioned the most obvious. Damn I hate doing this writing. But I really think..."

 

[AlphaScythian]

Yes in theory rinnegan has access to genjutsus but i wonder if it can come close to sharingan. Spammed genjutsu traps in dead body is no different then creating illusionary clones and mirages in a forest, yin release basically and some1 w/o sharingan is sure to be impressed with that.

Sharingan is very different from any yin release it has unique hypnotic powers not found in other doujutsus.
Izanagi is beyond genjutsu for obvious reasons but then again its base 3T sharingan technique not rinnegan.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I think ill go for the checkmate here

Juubi's eye design is simply different from known doujutsus to be imposed by any known user

 

[FearxDeath]

Yes in theory rinnegan has access to genjutsus but i wonder if it can come close to sharingan. Spammed genjutsu traps in dead body is no different then creating illusionary clones and mirages in a forest, yin release basically and some1 w/o sharingan is sure to be impressed with that.

Sharingan is very different from any yin release it has unique hypnotic powers not found in other doujutsus.
Izanagi is beyond genjutsu for obvious reasons but then again its base 3T sharingan technique not rinnegan.

Whoa whoa whoa, lets stop right there. The HEAD of the Konoha interogation force refered to the technique as being an "Incredible genjutsu" and the look on his face when he said that was one of astonishment. This is a mere barrier placed on a subordinate/underling of no particular importance so it is safe to say that Nagato did go all out that time and cant do better than that. If you are infering that the Sharingan is better at casting Genjutsu than the Rinnegan, then you sir have crossed a very dangerous line. Personally i cant argue against something like that as there is no real way to compare the two, but I think what we have seen in the manga at the very least infers that the Rinnegan surpasses the Sharingan in everyway.

Which hypnotic powers you talkin bout?

I think ill go for the checkmate here

Juubi's eye design is simply different from known doujutsus to be imposed by any known user

Lol Sharingan + Rinnegan, OMG!!!! @__@

 

[sagenaruto29]

ok smart ass if da elder son was uchiha then wouldnt dat bloodline come from his father da sage?

 

[sagenaruto29]

Ok dumb **** go on cuz I didn't say speed tech I said s/t tech with high speed and power. Second so urban his elder son just turned into a uchiha with his father or mother having no uchiha type DNA? But u r right though Minato is the only one of his clan day we know of. Kakashi stating dat means absolutely nothing when he is the same man day thought the rinnegan was just a mutation and even Obito was dead. Point is its just a thought I had dat I haven't seen anyone else voice before. So night get on someone else I'm just trying to figure da shit out like u ur name not f***ing Kishi is it

 

[Fodder#4]

I certainly did enjoy it, it was interesting and would be a twist then.

 

[FearxDeath]

Ok dumb **** go on cuz I didn't say speed tech I said s/t tech with high speed and power. Second so urban his elder son just turned into a uchiha with his father or mother having no uchiha type DNA? But u r right though Minato is the only one of his clan day we know of. Kakashi stating dat means absolutely nothing when he is the same man day thought the rinnegan was just a mutation and even Obito was dead. Point is its just a thought I had dat I haven't seen anyone else voice before. So night get on someone else I'm just trying to figure da shit out like u ur name not f***ing Kishi is it

You said "I think the Sage is both a Namikaze and an Uchiha", how is the Sage an Uchiha if the Uchiha Clan came after his time. You could say he has Uchiha DNA, but that doesnt really count, because he also has Senju DNA, and thus if Uchiha was a 2 and the Senju was a 2 and the Namikaze was also a 2 then how can you claim a person with 2+2+2 DNA which would be 6. 6 =/= 2, 6 =/= 2+2, 6 = 2+2+2.

ok smart ass if da elder son was uchiha then wouldnt dat bloodline come from his father da sage?

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[Sherlock.]

Plausible Theory Bro.... =D =D

 

[FearxDeath]

I certainly did enjoy it, it was interesting and would be a twist then.

Thanks, glad you liked it, and it would be a crazy twist if it turns out to be that. Not so much that it would change the plot too much, but it would resolve a few inconsitencies and it would be surprising.

Plausible Theory Bro.... =D =D

Thanks man, i knew youd like it

 

[StraawHat]

Ok. I have read and analysed everything. Firstly I'd like to point out that your theory about the rennigan being used or developed from the byakugan doesn't at all make sense when you use it to explain why the jubi has those eyes. I can explain this better by saying that in your other theory that the rennigan comes from a combination of Senju and Uchiha because he has Tomeo as well as the rings, it would make more sense to say that they combine a sharingan genjutsu with that of a rennigan genjutsu, a double layered genjutsu if you will. We know that these are in fact possible because in the anime you see that during an arc a ninja is trapped in a gejutsu inside of a genjutsu.

ANother problem is that if the sage had the rennigan prior to fighting the jubi then why didn't he simply split it's chakra and body in the first place? What was the need to absorb it if he is able to split it's chakra and put it into anything he wanted? The reason being because he wanted to absorb it's chakra to gain it's dojutsu.

Another hole in your theory is that if the sage wasn't fully able to control the jubi why is it that madara ( we all know Sage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Madara ) is able to have such good control over it without using the link prior to controlling it? Because he can't. he is unable to control it like that because it is way too much for him to control. If you look at the original sharingan you can see that it's way closer to the original rennigan and as the decades went it split completely into 3 tomeo so it looked nothing like it's ancestor and then from this it 'evolved' into many other newer forms to compensate for it's inferiority compared to it's original form. This is solid evidence that the Sharingan and rennigan are linked and the byakugan doesn't seem to fit anywhere into this line. That's my opinion for the time being.

 

[FearxDeath]

Ok. I have read and analysed everything. Firstly I'd like to point out that your theory about the rennigan being used or developed from the byakugan doesn't at all make sense when you use it to explain why the jubi has those eyes. I can explain this better by saying that in your other theory that the rennigan comes from a combination of Senju and Uchiha because he has Tomeo as well as the rings, it would make more sense to say that they combine a sharingan genjutsu with that of a rennigan genjutsu, a double layered genjutsu if you will. We know that these are in fact possible because in the anime you see that during an arc a ninja is trapped in a gejutsu inside of a genjutsu.

ANother problem is that if the sage had the rennigan prior to fighting the jubi then why didn't he simply split it's chakra and body in the first place? What was the need to absorb it if he is able to split it's chakra and put it into anything he wanted? The reason being because he wanted to absorb it's chakra to gain it's dojutsu.

Another hole in your theory is that if the sage wasn't fully able to control the jubi why is it that madara ( we all know Sage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Madara ) is able to have such good control over it without using the link prior to controlling it? Because he can't. he is unable to control it like that because it is way too much for him to control. If you look at the original sharingan you can see that it's way closer to the original rennigan and as the decades went it split completely into 3 tomeo so it looked nothing like it's ancestor and then from this it 'evolved' into many other newer forms to compensate for it's inferiority compared to it's original form. This is solid evidence that the Sharingan and rennigan are linked and the byakugan doesn't seem to fit anywhere into this line. That's my opinion for the time being.

I am a little confused on a few things

1) In your first paragraph you say that my theory doesnt make sense in regards to the Juubi;s eye... Please elaborate on that as I dont know what you mean when you say that, I also dont agree with what you say after that but that is irrelevant as the very first pressumption you make isnt even explained, you just say it as if we both already agree on that and then move on. o__o?

1A) "Firstly I'd like to point out that your theory about the rennigan(Its Rinnegan) being used or developed from the byakugan doesn't at all make sense when you use it to explain why the jubi has those eyes" You do realize that the sage having Byakugan eyes has nothing to do with this theory at all right? But it is something I talk about in a different thread of mine, feel free to reply to that if you want to discuss it as I dont want to clutter things up x__x


2) In your 2nd Paragraph you ask why he needed to become its jinchuriki before he split its chakra. That is a weird question to ask mainly because they way you ask it implies that there is no logical answer and therefore the question creates a hole in my theory, but there are a ton of logical answers to it, maybe he didnt come up with the idea of splitting its chakra and thought beings its jinchuriki would be a better idea and then changed his mind later on, maybe after fighting the Juubi he didnt have the strenght to split its chakra and create the moon and so he became its jinchuriki instead, perhaps he needed some of the chakra of the Juubi to split its chakra we dont even know if that is something that can be done without being the jinchuriki.

3) In the 3rd Paragraph you say "Another hole in your theory is that if the sage wasn't fully able to control the jubi why is it that madara" Let me stop you right there, when did I ever say the Sage wasnt able to fully control the Juubi???

4) All the supposed holes in my theory are based on presumptions that you make that I dont even agree with... x__x

 

[StraawHat]

No. No. No. You misunderstood everything that I have said, re-read it clearly and slowly.

 

[ClydeFrog]

Thank's for the quality thread, good read, but I never really cared why the Juubi had a Rinnegan.

 

[FearxDeath]

No. No. No. You misunderstood everything that I have said, re-read it clearly and slowly.

Not gonna play this game man, I qouted everything you said prior to replying to it, I have no clue how it could have been misunderstood. Yet you tell me it was and want me to read it again.... Maybe you should take the time to tell me how i misunderstood you?

Thank's for the quality thread, good read, but I never really cared why the Juubi had a Rinnegan.

Lulz, atleast your being honest lol

 

[The ProphecY]

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I have been coming up with a bunch of theories regarding the SO6P and the Juubi lately and I think this will be one of my more interesting peices, albeit short.

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New Evidence!!​

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In the spoiler I am going to leave you with new/concrete evidence that the Juubi was being controlled via the Rinnegan when summoned by Madara/Obito. And with this we see that during every instance the Juubi has been shown there has infact been a Rinnegan user in close proximity to him, my theory simply makes the assumption that said Rinnegan user may infact be controlling the Juubi:

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I can bypass this problem by inserting one word into your statement above "Thats ok, but ever since mokuton link was cut off a genjutsu should have dissipated since it was made clear that they couldnt fully control it with eyes alone." Madara said controlling it would be trouble, which seems evident as alot of the Juubi's actions dont seem to have coincide with Madara wishes.

But here is one thing you graze over and this is case and point for my thread:

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He says "Soon it will be hard to control the juubi, use hashirama cells to strenghten the bond", so the question is prior to that. How were they controlling the Juubi

Now whether or not the Genjutsu should or should not have worn off prior to the cutting of the link is conjecture and semantics as none of us can say for certain how much control they have over the Juubi with and without said Link.

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Opening Statement​

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Question​

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How did the SO6P manage to defeat someone that powerful, even if he was as powerful as the lore implies how in the world does one defeat a monster with limitless chakra that creates and destroys planets on a whim.

How did the Sage get his Rinnegan?

If the Juubi has both a Rinnegan and a Sharingan, then why does the decendants only have the Sharingan, if they are infact influenced by the Juubi's Yin then wouldnt they have both his eyes?

In regards to the above theory, the theory following it is that teh Juubi gave the Sage his Rinnegan somehow, who then divided it between his sons, one having his eyes the other his body and when combined they form the Rinnegan. Said body has been related to the ability to use Wood Style, which is a similarity shared with the Juubi. And thus since the Juubi has said body and said Sharingan he must also have said Rinnegan which is what we see in the manga. It explains why the Juubi has the Rinnegan, it explains how when the Uchiha and Senju are put together they get the Rinnegan, but then how did the Sage get the body? Did he also inherit said body from the Juubi along with Rinnegan? I find that a little hard to swallow...

With no further adiue let me take you on a little trip through what I think happened.

Basic Theory​

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Let me give a disclaimer by saying I dont know whether the Sage got his Rinnegan before or after his fight with the Juubi, some argue that he couldnt have defeated the Juubi without it and others say that if he did have it then where did it come from, KKG's dont just pop up out of then air.

In this theory I am going to build on the Assumption that he managed to get his Rinnegan prior to fighting the Juubi, granted in some of my other theories I have argued the exact opposite thing.

For the record I personally believe the Sage was half Uzumaki and half Hyuga, he was born with a Byakugan which he managed to turn into a Rinnegan sometime before or after his fight with the Juubi, for this arguments sake I will assume it was before the fight. Links to prior thread could be found here, I reccomend you glance at it for understandings sake, and if you already seen it i recommend re-reading as it is highly likely I have edited or changed or added some things since then. There are pretty brief FYI [

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Elaboration of Theory​

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I am sure your thinking, well if he had the Rinnegan prior to fighting the Juubi... then WHY DOES THE JUUBI HAVE THE RINNEGAN, fool ya fool.

Well just take a look at this:

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Take note of what he says, "The tailed beasts are slaves to those with blessed eyes" now I am sure you already know where I am going with this but please, keep reading and humor me.

Observation of a Hypothesis​

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The main reason people think the Juubi has a Rinnegan is because well, we see that he has a Rinnegan. But something that should be taken note of is that whenever we have ever seen the Juubi, it is within around or when he is under the control of a person with a Rinnegan... GASP!!

Now here is something else I want you to look at:

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When Madara was controlling Kurama, guess what his eyes looked like? The Sharingan, Now take a look at this:

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Does it look like he is in a battle stance? And why does the Juubi look so peaceful? So... Tamed? Also look at this link[

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], Juubi going crazy when seeing the SO6P's Chakra. Now Kurama has been defeated before, one person to mention is hashirama, but there has only been one time where he has lost it, and that is when he gave Naruto all his chakra and teamed up with him for the soul purpose of killing Madara, the person who controlled him.

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Conclusion​

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I believe the SO6P put the Juubi under the same kind of genjutsu that Madara put Kurama under, albeit a stronger version, and while the Juubi was incapacitated he made himself its jinchuriki. That was how he was able to defeat the Juubi. HELL THATS WHAT MADARA IS DOING RIGHT NOW IN THE MANGA!!!

Far-fetched I know, but I think it was worth mentioning, and it does make some sense if you have an open mind about the situation.

This leads into the idea that the Juubi does, infact, not have a Rinnegan but only appears to because he is under the control of someone with a Rinnegan [

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You can't really say that it was only due to his rinnegan that he tamed the Jubi, because as we can see form the scan you provided, the Sage was holding something else. We don't even know what the weapons are, much to say about it's power.

However, I do believe that Rinnegan can cast genjutsu's or can tame bijiu's or whatsoever, if this is what you were trying to say. This is also the first step that Obito & Madara used when controlling the Jubi then used mokuton to strengthen their bonds.

All in one, this is a great thread & your theory was quite impressive. Keep up!

 

[johnny335704]

May be. A good possibility. Seems a bit far-fetched but yeah, its possible.