3 tomoe sharingan or byakugan?

[Oksus]

Re: Byakugan is weaker than sharingan

Well when a main character is an Uchiha the eyes tend to get more development...

But the Byakugan goes up until the 3-Tomoe...after that it falls behind.


Visual abilities

3-Tomoe: can see chakra, copy techniques the user has an affinity for, read movements

Byakugan: near 360 degree vision, vision zooming, see chakra to an intense degree, see when genjutsu is activated, see opponents while avoiding direct eye contact.

Taijutsu

3-Tomoe: allows movement reading

Byakugan: allows for gentle fist which would quickly render enemies unable to use chakra or any KKG traits (I.e. the sharingan). Even if a 3-Tomoe user blocks, the tenketsu in the arms can still be targeted.

Ninjutsu

3-Tomoe: Copy ninjutsu you have an affinity for jutsu you have, apply movement reading to jutsu (chidori)

Byakugan: See chakra build up for jutsu, rotation to defend ranged attacks, Air Palm, air wall palm, Twin lion fists (power to be determined).

Genjutsu

3-Tomoe: Enables Genjutsu affinity....powerful genjutsu

Byakugan: allows one to detect the activation of genjutsu. 360ish vision allows for indirect eye contact to avoid eye genjutsu




If you give people with the exact same talents, intelligence, and strength....I'd say the Byakugan wins for IMO it is taking the lead in visual bonuses, taijutsu, and genjutsu (simply making the Uchiha bonus for it useless), and ve jutsu that are capable of countering ninjutsu.

That's okay, with same skill level intelligence and all Byakugan does have a slight advantage over 3 Tomoe sharingan, but you are forgetting one big factor. Sharingan will produce more skilled ninja, no matter what way you look at it. It gives its user advantage no matter what way he goes, taijutsu, ninjutsu or genjutsu. If the user is Natural in genjutsu he will have advantage of powerful eyes. If user is good in taijutsu he will be able to follow other users easy and copy their taijutsu. If he is good in ninjutsu he will be able to copy thousands of jutsus. sharingan supports multiple type of ninjas. Byakugan on the other hand provides a really big boost to taijutsu. But it is meaningless if you just aren't good in taijutsu and will take you a lot longer to be able to fight on same level. Aka Hinata just mastering a technique Nejiwas able to use in Chunin exam. Another good example is how much Sasuke progressed in TS while Neji stopped developing as much because he reached limits of byakugans abilities.

 

[closecombat22]

Re: Byakugan is weaker than sharingan

Plot? Senju DNA? Eye robbing? Asspulls?

so true you sir have the eye=D of truth

 

[closecombat22]

Re: Sharingan > Byakugan

Plot? Senju DNA? Eye robbing? Asspulls?

There are things called "opinions" xd
Just because people don't think the same way as you and does not have the same interests doesn't mean they are hating xd

and there a thing called fact=D=D

 

[VongolaX]

Without a doubt sharingan, sharingan is able to copy one of the best taijustu user techniques and one top of that have the best genjustu ever.

Rinnegan has haxx moves and can repel from any angle

Sharingan/MS has a haxx nearly-indestructible susanoo god that soloed even the current kages

Byukagan: <-----yet to see anything so impressive

 

[Katachi]

Re: Byakugan is weaker than sharingan

Unless it's 3 tomoe. U_U

 

[Beetle]

Re: Byakugan is weaker than sharingan

Manga page where byakugan stops genjutsu..

Good luck finding that

 

[elite strategist]

Re: Byakugan is weaker than sharingan

Unless it's 3 tomoe. U_U

Byakugan is weaker than any type of sharingan

 

[paratise]

Re: Byakugan is weaker than sharingan

Am i the only one who thinks it is nearly impossible to strip down a certain ability (in this case; doujutsu) without acknowledging the user's effect on the usage and power?

Ex. juuken said to be the strongest taijutsu style of leaf; just because of this said reason Hinata can not be stronger than base Lee or Gai. It all depends on the user; Sasuke (ex: hebi in 3T) might be a strong Uchiha who would own Neji, but a random no name Uchiha who has 3T is possibly weaker than Neji; and the said random Uchiha is possibly stronger than Hinata. So character comparasions are nearly users; since every tool is as good as user and they also use other techs and abilities.

And sharingan does not make someone ultimately a copy nin; it gives the user the ability to read the movements; if Kakashi did not have a good hand seal skills; he could not copy and adapt every movement Zabuza did in land of waves arc; sharingan just makes people read movements; not copy; copying skill is depending on the user's skill.

Out of character comparasions; i would say byakugan has more advances than 3T; but nowhere near the level of ms in terms of power.

 

[Child Of The Great Empire]

Re: Byakugan is weaker than sharingan

So, a byakugan user can defeat deidara?

 

[closecombat22]

Re: Byakugan is weaker than sharingan

so your saying byakugan users can beat deidara c4?

yea that was a plot whole plus aszPULL

THE SHARGAIN CAN'T THE SEE THE CHAKAR POINT WHICH ARE THE SIZE OF A PEN HEAD BUT IT CAN SEE NANO BOMB LOL CUTE

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Re: Byakugan is weaker than sharingan

That's okay, with same skill level intelligence and all Byakugan does have a slight advantage over 3 Tomoe sharingan, but you are forgetting one big factor. Sharingan will produce more skilled ninja, no matter what way you look at it. It gives its user advantage no matter what way he goes, taijutsu, ninjutsu or genjutsu. If the user is Natural in genjutsu he will have advantage of powerful eyes. If user is good in taijutsu he will be able to follow other users easy and copy their taijutsu. If he is good in ninjutsu he will be able to copy thousands of jutsus. sharingan supports multiple type of ninjas. Byakugan on the other hand provides a really big boost to taijutsu. But it is meaningless if you just aren't good in taijutsu and will take you a lot longer to be able to fight on same level. Aka Hinata just mastering a technique Nejiwas able to use in Chunin exam. Another good example is how much Sasuke progressed in TS while Neji stopped developing as much because he reached limits of byakugans abilities.

The only thing I'd argue here would be Neji's development vs Sasuke's. Considering Neji is a side character as well as had little reveal time...I wouldn't say we are able to fully determine what his maximum potential was or how close he was to obtaining it. Factoring in Sasuke's heavier focus as a plot relavent Uchiha vs the practically abandoned Hyuga....there are naturally fewer Hyuga techniques. But obviously the individual plays the largest factor in eye power.

Sharingan wins in both ninjutsu and genjutsu, byakugan only wins taijutsu(close range)

The sharingan wins in Ninjutsu to the degree that they have a wider variety....the use of Rotation and air palm exist as counter measures to defend against ranges ninjutsu. The Byakugan wins in taijutsu.

However they negate one another in genjutsu. The Sharingan gives the user a natural boost to genjutsu (specifically eye technique genjutsu); however, these require direct eye contact. With the near 360 degree vision, the Byakugan wielded can simply use their indirect vision to focus on the battle...thus preventing the risk of a Eye contact genjutsu, which the Sharingan is accredited to, from working.


So, with an advantage in Taijutsu, admirable defenses against Ninjutsu, and a negating genjutsu, I personally feel the Byakugan is at an advantage to the Sharingan.

But as others have mentioned, obviously in a long term prospective the Sharingan will always hold more potential due to the possibility of eye advancement. However more so because instead of giving an incredible boost to one stat...it acts as a jack of all trades and fairly raises every combat stat....thus giving the user more versatility and uses as a shinobi.

 

[baah]

Re: Byakugan is weaker than sharingan

depends on the user and the situation...eyes are just tools anyways... person with kunai < a master with a pebble...

 

[Bronze]

Re: Byakugan is weaker than sharingan

no sh1t of course

 

[Anorien16]

Re: Byakugan is weaker than sharingan

Depend on the use and the user .....

 

[Oksus]

Re: Byakugan is weaker than sharingan

The only thing I'd argue here would be Neji's development vs Sasuke's. Considering Neji is a side character as well as had little reveal time...I wouldn't say we are able to fully determine what his maximum potential was or how close he was to obtaining it. Factoring in Sasuke's heavier focus as a plot relavent Uchiha vs the practically abandoned Hyuga....there are naturally fewer Hyuga techniques. But obviously the individual plays the largest factor in eye power.



The sharingan wins in Ninjutsu to the degree that they have a wider variety....the use of Rotation and air palm exist as counter measures to defend against ranges ninjutsu. The Byakugan wins in taijutsu.

However they negate one another in genjutsu. The Sharingan gives the user a natural boost to genjutsu (specifically eye technique genjutsu); however, these require direct eye contact. With the near 360 degree vision, the Byakugan wielded can simply use their indirect vision to focus on the battle...thus preventing the risk of a Eye contact genjutsu, which the Sharingan is accredited to, from working.


So, with an advantage in Taijutsu, admirable defenses against Ninjutsu, and a negating genjutsu, I personally feel the Byakugan is at an advantage to the Sharingan.

But as others have mentioned, obviously in a long term prospective the Sharingan will always hold more potential due to the possibility of eye advancement. However more so because instead of giving an incredible boost to one stat...it acts as a jack of all trades and fairly raises every combat stat....thus giving the user more versatility and uses as a shinobi.

This, except I didn't think that he meant that Sharingan Genjutsu can beat Byakugan but rather that Sharingan has more powerful Genjutsu than Byakugan.

Btw does anyone know how Kabuto used that large area Genjutsu in Chunnin exam ?

 

[Fodder#4]

Re: Byakugan is weaker than sharingan

It depends on the user; but I believe that in a strictly doujutsu based battle between two equally skilled opponents, a three tome sharingan, of course. The Byakugan user will have the better odds of winning because of, from what Crystal Chakra has stated earlier in the thread, there are many advantages that even a basic Byakugan user such as Hinata can achieve.

Where as a sharingan's talent differs from one shinobi to the next. You can't expect them all to be on Sasuke and Itachi's level.

So, a Byakugan is >= 3 Tome Sharingan if both users are of equal skill level.

 

[RNITBmsage]

Re: Sharingan > Byakugan

Byakugan > 3 tomoe

MS & EMS > Byakugan

this^^^^^,

 

[Oksus]

Re: Byakugan is weaker than sharingan

this^^^^^,

So, a Byakugan is >= 3 Tome Sharingan if both users are of equal skill level.

There's no doubt about that But as I have already stated before... User with 3 Tomoe only sharingan has a lot more potential than a Byakugan user. Byakugan relies heavily on Taijutsu alone, while Sharingan allows its user to become anything they want. A master of Genjutsu, being able to master 1000 Ninjutsus, Copy any Taijutsu... Or just become a jack of all trades, becoming really good at all 3.

I'm not trying to say Taijutsu sucks, because Lee and Guy showed us it's full power but the thing with Byakugan is that you are either a natural at it (Neji) or you are mediocre (Hinata). It can make powerful shinobi (Neji, his dad, Hinatas dad) but even they are nothing compared to to prodigies of 3 Tomoe Sharingan. (Kakashi, Sasuke, Itachi (before MS) )

 

[Fodder#4]

Re: Byakugan is weaker than sharingan

There's no doubt about that But as I have already stated before... User with 3 Tomoe only sharingan has a lot more potential than a Byakugan user. Byakugan relies heavily on Taijutsu alone, while Sharingan allows its user to become anything they want. A master of Genjutsu, being able to master 1000 Ninjutsus, Copy any Taijutsu... Or just become a jack of all trades, becoming really good at all 3.

I'm not trying to say Taijutsu sucks, because Lee and Guy showed us it's full power but the thing with Byakugan is that you are either a natural at it (Neji) or you are mediocre (Hinata). It can make powerful shinobi (Neji, his dad, Hinatas dad) but even they are nothing compared to to prodigies of 3 Tomoe Sharingan. (Kakashi, Sasuke, Itachi (before MS) )

Indeed, the sharingan has versatility. Something that the Byakugan sorely lacks.But the sharingan users we've for the most part seen are expert shinobi who themselves have tons of potential to improve and master the sharingan. I'm not trying to make this a strictly Sharingan versus Byakugan thing here; I am taking in how well they could do against most situations.

I feel as if facing a Byakugan without knowledge is far more deadly then facing an average sharingan user without knowledge. Not saying the Sharingan isn't something to take lightly, reading a persons movements and being able to copy the hand signs to a jutsu alone make them a formidable foe. It's just if they do get within close range of you, chances are you'll be receiving a blow that will decide the outcome of a battle. Well, sort of. It would be difficult to continue on fighting as your chakra is being ceased from moving to different regions of your body.

 

[VongolaX]

Re: Byakugan is weaker than sharingan

Wow this thread escalated quick....Ya, but still 3Tomoe sharingan sh*ts on byukagan.

Neji got his a$$ kicked with base naruto with a little borrowed chakra from kyuubi, while sasuke with 3 tomoe wrecked naruto in demon form (no tails)

The gab in power was soo great, that it's nearly impossible to compare 3 tomoe and bykugan because we seen all of byukagan's arsenal within 5 minutes of the fight.

Post timeskip just speaks for itself