Kakashi vs Kakuzu and Hidan

[EZQ]

ITACHIUCHIA101, I recommend you stop arguing with Threads like these. You won't go anywhere with with this linear argument.

Anyone can argue that Kakashi beats anyone yes even Madara and 1st Hokage with Kamui.

Arguable but never ... I don't know HOW they dodge kamui, but they're HASHIRAMA AND MADARA, they CAN avoid kamui, i just don't know how

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Arguable but never ... I don't know HOW they dodge kamui, but they're HASHIRAMA AND MADARA, they CAN avoid kamui, i just don't know how

Nope because they are a higher tier doesn't automatically mean they have a counter? See you can't just pass around who or who shouldn't be able to counter, thats just hypocrisy in play.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nope because they are a higher tier doesn't automatically mean they have a counter? See you can't just pass around who or who shouldn't be able to counter, thats just hypocrisy in play.

lol, block LoS and Kamui is countered.

Hashirama makes forests with a clap of a hand. LoS is blocked.

Madara puts up Susanoo, Kakashi has to gather more chakra to warp a bigger target, and then Madara fires a Magatama or Katon at him. Kakashi dies.

Kamui isn't that hard to counter, you just have to be quick enough.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

lol, block LoS and Kamui is countered.

Hashirama makes forests with a clap of a hand. LoS is blocked.

Madara puts up Susanoo, Kakashi has to gather more chakra to warp a bigger target, and then Madara fires a Magatama or Katon at him. Kakashi dies.

Kamui isn't that hard to counter, you just have to be quick enough.

Before I go on. What is your view of this match up

 

[NewKageism]

this is sadly true at this point

KA can one shot 99% nv

Kamui can one shot 99% nv

Yep this is basically what it lies to nowadays. Kakashi

 

[KidGamer65]

Before I go on. What is your view of this match up

Since Kakuzu has no way to block Kakashi's LoS before he gets warped, he gets warped and then Kakashi can solo Hidan.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Since Kakuzu has no way to block Kakashi's LoS before he gets warped, he gets warped and then Kakashi can solo Hidan.

Doesn't Kakuzu elements cover a good amount of Kakashi's AoS

 

[KidGamer65]

Doesn't Kakuzu elements cover a good amount of Kakashi's AoS

The time it takes for his masks to come out is longer than the time for him to warp him.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The time it takes for his masks to come out is longer than the time for him to warp him.

How do you determine the speed of Kakuzu mask coming out and the 1st creating a forest, coming out.

 

[KidGamer65]

How do you determine the speed of Kakuzu mask coming out and the 1st creating a forest, coming out.

By reading the manga.

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And he still has to fire off the attacks, if you think that takes longer than this:

1 clap of the hand and LoS has been successfully blocked.

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1 clap of the hand, LoS blocked.

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Its clear which one is faster.

Clapping your hands, or having masks come out of your back, and fire off an attack.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

By reading the manga.

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And he still has to fire off the attacks, if you think that takes longer than this:

1 clap of the hand and LoS has been successfully blocked.

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1 clap of the hand, LoS blocked.

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Its clear which one is faster.

Clapping your hands, or having masks come out of your back, and fire off an attack.

Well thats not a fair conclusion. You post a scan where Kakuzu first reveal his secret and the masks struck a pose. And in later of the manga he was shown to release them much faster then last time.

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Didn't you say panel time shouldn't explain the speed process of the move a while ago? All the scans shows Kakuzu talking, long conversaion and how they think they should kill the enemy, and structuring a pose before attacking while Madara just goes straight for his attack.

 

[EliteKakashi]

When did Kakashi use zabuza's sword?!?!?!?!?

Here:

Spoiler

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[KidGamer65]

Well thats not a fair conclusion. You post a scan where Kakuzu first reveal his secret and the masks struck a pose. And in later of the manga he was shown to release them much faster then last time.

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Didn't you say panel time shouldn't explain the speed process of the move a while ago? All the scans shows Kakuzu talking, long conversaion and how they think they should kill the enemy, and structuring a pose before attacking while Madara just goes straight for his attack.

Your scan doesn't help prove you right, it helps prove you wrong. That still takes far more time than Hashirama simply clapping their hands, and that isn't even factoring in the time it takes for them to fire their attacks. So go ahead, use whatever scan you want to use.

I'm not using panel time, I'm using common sense. Ask yourself what takes longer, Kakuzu's masks coming out of his back and then firing their attacks, or Hashirama clapping his hands together. Obviously the latter and its not debatable.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Your scan doesn't help prove you right, it helps prove you wrong. That still takes far more time than Hashirama simply clapping their hands, and that isn't even factoring in the time it takes for them to fire their attacks. So go ahead, use whatever scan you want to use.

I'm not using panel time, I'm using common sense. Ask yourself what takes longer, Kakuzu's masks coming out of his back and then firing their attacks, or Hashirama clapping his hands together. Obviously the latter and its not debatable.

In your own words clapping hands together is faster then Kakuzu's mask coming out and firing.

If I don't go by your words it is able the same. By my words whats faster: Hashirama clapping his hands together and then the trees grow to make a forest or Kakuzu's mask coming out and firing their elemental attacks.

None of the above is faster then Kamui

 

[KidGamer65]

In your own words clapping hands together is faster then Kakuzu's mask coming out and firing.

If I don't go by your words it is able the same. By my words whats faster: Hashirama clapping his hands together and then the trees grow to make a forest or Kakuzu's mask coming out and firing their elemental attacks.

None of the above is faster then Kamui

By the time he's clapped his hands, enough trees have come out of the ground in front of him to block Kakashi's LoS, the whole thing doesn't need to come out. Same with Jukai Kotan, but its a little faster than the Flower Tree World and still blocks LoS. So your comparison is invalid.

lol, clapping your hands? Yes it is, Kakuzu summoning his masks and then firing off an attack, no its not.

Kamui started when Naruto's Rasengan started to become deformed.

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Then he got warped. Kamui is not instant and far from it.

Clapping your hands together is faster than the activation and warping of Kamui.

 

[EZQ]

By the time he's clapped his hands, enough trees have come out of the ground in front of him to block Kakashi's LoS, the whole thing doesn't need to come out. Same with Jukai Kotan, but its a little faster than the Flower Tree World and still blocks LoS. So your comparison is invalid.

lol, clapping your hands? Yes it is, Kakuzu summoning his masks and then firing off an attack, no its not.

Kamui started when Naruto's Rasengan started to become deformed.

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Then he got warped. Kamui is not instant and far from it.

Clapping your hands together is faster than the activation and warping of Kamui.

Kakashi's waping speed is fast enough to warp a person sized object without Obito noticing... It's pretty close to instant.

Anyway i support your ideas

Hashirama can block kakashi's LoS with a clap of his hands

Madara has the upper hand with susanoo, kakashi CAN warp a whole susanoo yes, but he takes more time to warp big objects, in this oppening of time madara strikes

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakashi's waping speed is fast enough to warp a person sized object without Obito noticing... It's pretty close to instant.

Anyway i support your ideas

Hashirama can block kakashi's LoS with a clap of his hands

Madara has the upper hand with susanoo, kakashi CAN warp a whole susanoo yes, but he takes more time to warp big objects, in this oppening of time madara strikes

Kamui started when Naruto's Rasengan started to deform, and not until the next page was Naruto warped.

The warping itself is near instant, but the whole set up isn't.

 

[EZQ]

Kamui started when Naruto's Rasengan started to deform, and not until the next page was Naruto warped.

The warping itself is near instant, but the whole set up isn't.

There might be a posibilitie that kakashi did that to confuse obito and make him think that kakashi was aiming for the rasengan, as i can't proof that i'll just use ANOTHER feat.

Against sasuke, Kakashi warped 1 or 2 susanoo arrows (i don't remember)

In the time the susanoo arrow was fired, kakashi only had 3 tomoe activated, not MS... So kakadhi did:

- Acivated MS
- Pointed at the arrow
- Gather chakra
- Warp the arrow...

All that faster than a SUSANOO ARROW, so yeah the whole set-up is as fast as hell

 

[KidGamer65]

There might be a posibilitie that kakashi did that to confuse obito and make him think that kakashi was aiming for the rasengan, as i can't proof that i'll just use ANOTHER feat.

Against sasuke, Kakashi warped 1 or 2 susanoo arrows (i don't remember)

In the time the susanoo arrow was fired, kakashi only had 3 tomoe activated, not MS... So kakadhi did:

- Acivated MS
- Pointed at the arrow
- Gather chakra
- Warp the arrow...

All that faster than a SUSANOO ARROW, so yeah the whole set-up is as fast as hell

That's for an arrow, we are talking about a Human Sized person. Two different things.

 

[EZQ]

That's for an arrow, we are talking about a Human Sized person. Two different things.

An arrow is faster and bigger than a person :

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