How can Hashirama beat Naruto?

[AirWind]

i almost read that as a swag mode but yes it is, he cant, actually it will never be an issue coz that is never gonna happenned.

 

[johnny335704]

At present Hashirama > Naruto.
Naruto still needs huge power up to match Hashirama's level.

 

[5pace time continuum]

Naruto isn't on Hashirama's and Madara's level yet he will be on their level soon and he needs a few power ups to reach their status lol. Not even Bijuu Mode, KCM or SM can match their base levels lol.

 

[Midday]

Hashirama vs Naruto isn't a stomp like people believe i'm pretty sure a few rasenshuriken can cut down that buddha.

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[GrayParadise]

He has a more powerful Sage Mode and they're equal in chakra, so if they were to ever clash, he would win.
Then, Naruto has no defense to flower world. And his 1000 Hand Summon is on a whole nother league than Naruto.

 

[Midday]

He has a more powerful Sage Mode and they're equal in chakra, so if they were to ever clash, he would win.
Then, Naruto has no defense to flower world. And his 1000 Hand Summon is on a whole nother league than Naruto.

Naruto's got a lot more chakra considering the kyuubi. Flower world is easily escaped/destroyed and 1k hands can be destroyed.

 

[Strict]

Hashirama vs Naruto isn't a stomp like people believe i'm pretty sure a few rasenshuriken can cut down that buddha.

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The perfect Susanoo can slice a mountain range and was yet inferior to the Shinsuusenju. A Bijuudama-swordblade barrage didn't manage to destroy the Shinsuusenju as well. Plus, Hashirama has a big advantage with the Mokutons ability to suppress (Bijuu)chakra. Hashirama is probably the most versatile Ninja thus far (except of Edo Madara who has all powers) with powers on a massive scale and is endowed with a good deal of intelligence, knowledge ind wisdom.

Naruto can't win.

 

[Midday]

The perfect Susanoo can slice a mountain range and was yet inferior to the Shinsuusenju. A Bijuudama-swordblade barrage didn't manage to destroy the Shinsuusenju as well. Plus, Hashirama has a big advantage with the Mokutons ability to suppress (Bijuu)chakra. Hashirama is probably the most versatile Ninja thus far (except of Edo Madara who has all powers) with powers on a massive scale and is endowed with a good deal of intelligence, knowledge ind wisdom.

Naruto can't win.

Perfect susanoo blades + tbb cut down most of the statue it's the size why it remained in tact.

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What do you suppose Madara used to take down the statue after the kyuubi was suppressed? Most likely susanoo.

Then there's odama futton rasenshuriken which is roughly 3 times the size of a boss summon, it's explosion would take out a large portion of the statue. As well as a powered up bijuu dama that's comparable to 5 regular tbb's, it's explosion would also cover most of the statue.

As for bijuu suppression abilities. Naruto's been able to deal with what Obito and Madara have done to try and suppress him, Naruto hasn't even used many clones or his shushin against them either. Chakra suppression isn't going to be easy to pull off on him.

 

[GrayParadise]

Naruto's got a lot more chakra considering the kyuubi. Flower world is easily escaped/destroyed and 1k hands can be destroyed.

That may be true... Maybe. The only Uzumaki we've ever seen besides Naruto is Karin, and her chakra bank isn't very impressive. So I'd say Naruto would be the same without Kurama, but he boost up his levels to Hashis level.

And it's not too far fetched to assume Hashi had Bijuu-level chakra banks, he did have them under control anyway.

And only for flying Shinobi or Minato is Flower World escapable. Oonoki can fly above the ground, while Minato can just flash out of it. But Naruto has neither flying nor Flash abilities, so I doubt he can. And he doesn't have a ray attack like Oonoki to clear the room. Besides, with no knowledge of Flower World and its effects, he has no way of knowing the danger and wouldn't consider it a threat until its too late.

And there is absolutely NO WAY Naruto is getting through 1K hands. It took Madara 10+ Bijuu-Dama Shirukens to cut most of them off. And he still even had to tank some damage. Naruto can't send out that much at once, the 1K attacks at a rate too quickly for him to respond.

 

[RNITBmsage]

hashirama solos

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Here's how it would go. Wood style makes Kurama cloak useless, but it hasn't been shown to suppress the 9 tails completely. Madara and Obito both had Naruto caught in it at one point, but he maintained biju mode, just not Kurama cloak. This means he has the enhanced speed of biju mode and its partial transformations. It has the ransenshurikens that cut through the juubi's skin. So, I'm gonna assume it can cut through wood style. Base Hashirama would be stomped.

Hashirama's only hope is sage mode. However, with Naruto's speed, it would be hard to prep it. Hashirama could use wood clones, but Naruto is a high level sensor now. He could probably sense the intentions of the clones and know what's going on. Hashirama can heal, so he can afford to make mistakes.


The winner really depends on if Hashirama can use his clones to delay Naruto and enter sage mode. It's also determined by if Naruto is fast enough to dodge the statue. If he could, he has Hashirama beat. After using the statue last time, Hashirama lost SM.

It's to close to call. Naruto's skills are almost a perfect counter for Hashirama's.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

He has a more powerful Sage Mode and they're equal in chakra, so if they were to ever clash, he would win.
Then, Naruto has no defense to flower world. And his 1000 Hand Summon is on a whole nother league than Naruto.

Glad that you're giving reasons, but flower world wouldn't work. All Naruto has to do is throw ransenshuriken or massive ransenshuriken to shred the flower.

 

[Midday]

That may be true... Maybe. The only Uzumaki we've ever seen besides Naruto is Karin, and her chakra bank isn't very impressive. So I'd say Naruto would be the same without Kurama, but he boost up his levels to Hashis level.

And it's not too far fetched to assume Hashi had Bijuu-level chakra banks, he did have them under control anyway.

And only for flying Shinobi or Minato is Flower World escapable. Oonoki can fly above the ground, while Minato can just flash out of it. But Naruto has neither flying nor Flash abilities, so I doubt he can. And he doesn't have a ray attack like Oonoki to clear the room. Besides, with no knowledge of Flower World and its effects, he has no way of knowing the danger and wouldn't consider it a threat until its too late.

And there is absolutely NO WAY Naruto is getting through 1K hands. It took Madara 10+ Bijuu-Dama Shirukens to cut most of them off. And he still even had to tank some damage. Naruto can't send out that much at once, the 1K attacks at a rate too quickly for him to respond.

I wouldn't put Hashirama's chakra levels on the same level as Naruto and the kyuubi. But it really doesn't matter who has the most.

Naruto can escape by using his

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, destroy the the forest with a technique or simply sit in the 9 tails construct where he's above the pollen.

I'm positive

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can cut through the 1k hands, just like the sword+tbb's madara did. Then there's odama rasenshuriken which could probably cut it in half and it's explosion can take out the statue and the

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1k hands attacks are too quick for the fastest character who can react to v2 A's speed in a weaker mode? or 2nd fastest we don't know how fast Minato's foot speed is.

 

[RNITBmsage]

i doubt the fight would go down like that

 

[Sennin of Logic]

That may be true... Maybe. The only Uzumaki we've ever seen besides Naruto is Karin, and her chakra bank isn't very impressive. So I'd say Naruto would be the same without Kurama, but he boost up his levels to Hashis level.

And it's not too far fetched to assume Hashi had Bijuu-level chakra banks, he did have them under control anyway.

And only for flying Shinobi or Minato is Flower World escapable. Oonoki can fly above the ground, while Minato can just flash out of it. But Naruto has neither flying nor Flash abilities, so I doubt he can. And he doesn't have a ray attack like Oonoki to clear the room. Besides, with no knowledge of Flower World and its effects, he has no way of knowing the danger and wouldn't consider it a threat until its too late.

And there is absolutely NO WAY Naruto is getting through 1K hands. It took Madara 10+ Bijuu-Dama Shirukens to cut most of them off. And he still even had to tank some damage. Naruto can't send out that much at once, the 1K attacks at a rate too quickly for him to respond.

Well... There is a way. It might not work, but it's possible. The real Naruto could focus on escaping rather than trying to destroy the statue. He could use ransenshuriken to cut through the fists in front of him and escape the barrage. Just a thought.

 

[Strict]

Madara used this TBB-swordblade barrage parallel with Shinsuusenju's Chojo Kebutsu, yet, the Kyuubi, who wore Susanoo as an armor was demolished and put asleep after the Susanoo armor was destroyed. Even if Naruto manages to destroy the rest of the Shinsuusenju's hands while leaving the main body intact, Naruto will not escape Hashirama's attack. Each of the 1K hands would prove enough power to bust a mountain once using a powerful blow; the magnitude of thousands of those hands pummeling him would not allow Naruto to dodge and wreck him if not leaving seriously damaged. After this, the Shinsuusenju could pick the badly struck Naruto - whether in his Bijuu-Cloak or not - up and suppress the rest of his Chakra before giving him the fatal blow. Being precisely, the Chou Oodama Rasenshuriken had the size of the boss summon and not three times of it, and considering that a normal Bijuudama of the Hachibi exceeds his size dozens of times after exploding [

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] and the Shinsuusenju took a barrage of them from the strongest Bijuu, I see no danger for the Buddha from that Rasenshuriken. If Hashirama is able to use up to 5 gates to block a Bijuudama-swordblade or can simply catch a Bijuudama and turn it back before it explodes, don't you think Hashirama would have his chances to turn that less effective technique back? Chojo Kebutsu would prove itself so powerful that techniques like the Chou Rasenshuriken could simply be destroyed right away before reaching the Buddhas body. Plus, in canon, Naruto can use only on of these large Rasenshurikens at the same time and the preparation won't allow to perform huge Bijuudama's which would prove way more effectiveness than this technique.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Madara used this TBB-swordblade barrage parallel with Shinsuusenju's Chojo Kebutsu, yet, the Kyuubi, who wore Susanoo as an armor was demolished and put asleep after the the Susanoo armor was destroyed. Even if Naruto manages to destroy the rest of the Shinsuusenju's hands while leaving the main body intact, Naruto will not escape Hashirama's attack. Each of the 1K hands would prove enough power to bust a mountain once using a powerful blow; the magnitude of thousands of those hands pummeling him would not allow Naruto to dodge and wreck him if not leaving seriously damaged. After his, the Shinsuusenju could pick the badly struck Naruto - whether in his Bijuu-Cloak or not - up and suppress the rest of his Chakra before giving him the fatal blow. Being precisely, the Chou Oodama Rasenshuriken had the size of the boss summon and not three times of it, and considering that a normal Bijuudama of the Hachibi exceeds its size dozens of times after exploding [

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] ans the Shinsuusenju took a barrage of them from the strongest Bijuu, I see no danger for the Buddha from that Rasenshuriken. If Hashirama is able to use up to 5 gates to block a Bijuudama-swordblade or can simply catch a Bijuudama and turn it back before it explodes, don't you think Hashirama would have his chances to turn that less effective technique back? Chojo Kebutsu would prove itself so powerful that techniques like the Chou Rasenshuriken could simply be destroyed right away before reaching the Buddhas body. Plus, in canon, Naruto can use only on of these large Rasenshurikens at the same time and the preparation won't allow to perform huge Bijuudama's which would prove way more effectiveness than this technique.

I more or less agree with what you're saying. I have a different idea on how Naruto survives. However, what's stopping Naruto from making shadow clones to make multiple massive ransenshurikens?

 

[Midday]

Madara used this TBB-swordblade barrage parallel with Shinsuusenju's Chojo Kebutsu, yet, the Kyuubi, who wore Susanoo as an armor was demolished and put asleep after the the Susanoo armor was destroyed. Even if Naruto manages to destroy the rest of the Shinsuusenju's hands while leaving the main body intact, Naruto will not escape Hashirama's attack. Each of the 1K hands would prove enough power to bust a mountain once using a powerful blow; the magnitude of thousands of those hands pummeling him would not allow Naruto to dodge and wreck him if not leaving seriously damaged. After his, the Shinsuusenju could pick the badly struck Naruto - whether in his Bijuu-Cloak or not - up and suppress the rest of his Chakra before giving him the fatal blow. Being precisely, the Chou Oodama Rasenshuriken had the size of the boss summon and not three times of it, and considering that a normal Bijuudama of the Hachibi exceeds its size dozens of times after exploding [

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] ans the Shinsuusenju took a barrage of them from the strongest Bijuu, I see no danger for the Buddha from that Rasenshuriken. If Hashirama is able to use up to 5 gates to block a Bijuudama-swordblade or can simply catch a Bijuudama and turn it back before it explodes, don't you think Hashirama would have his chances to turn that less effective technique back? Chojo Kebutsu would prove itself so powerful that techniques like the Chou Rasenshuriken could simply be destroyed right away before reaching the Buddhas body. Plus, in canon, Naruto can use only on of these large Rasenshurikens at the same time and the preparation won't allow to perform huge Bijuudama's which would prove way more effectiveness than this technique.

First of all if you're going to quote me in your signature quote me correctly instead of leaving out most of the post. Secondly use paragraphs it makes it a lot easier for others to read and respond to your posts.

Since when where each of the 1k hands a mountain buster? The kyuubi was unscathed after being pummeled by the 1k hands thanks to susanoo, he was not demolished like you put. Naruto's able to swat away tbb's and tank a juubi dama, those punches aren't going to be enough to destroy his 9 tails construct especially after most of the hands are destroyed by a barrage of rasenshurikens.

If the statue picks up Naruto in his avatar what's stopping him from simply leaving it and going after Hashirama? Why would he get picked up and finished like the 9 tails?

As for Chou odama rasenshurkien's size,

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are a lot more accurate than you simply saying, "no it's not".

The gates were mostly destroyed by 1 tbb blade, Naruto rasenshikens don't have to be thrown and can be redirected with chakra arms they're also sharp enough to cut through the Juubi's tails. Hashirama has been shown to catch regular bijuu dama's that doesn't mean all tbb's are ineffective how about the charged versions?

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

Naruto X Man and Midday are owning it.

 

[EternalFlame]

The majority of Naruto's power is from Kurama, and he gets suppressed. And that's without SM.