How can Hashirama beat Naruto?

[GrayParadise]

Midday, you ignored my post.

 

[Midday]

Midday, you ignored my post.

Sorry, i'll give you a response.

 

[The Work]

Hashi can beat Naruto easily

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Why would he need to change his attack? Its as simple as this.

-If Naruto comes toward him.
-He attacks with Chojo Kebutsu.
-Naruto dies.

Simple as that.




It doesn't need to be stated because its as obvious as day that is a combined attack, hence the combined form the Shinobi took.

What did the other Shinobi do?

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Take off the selective reading goggles. You can clearly see them form into a phoenix and cut through 3 of the Juubi's tails. It doesn't matter if Naruto was the tip as he didn't cut them by himself.

It was a combined attack.

You better have scans of Naruto being able to use as many Shadow Clones as there is alliance members when in BM.

You're clearly not going to change your mind regardless of what I say, so this will be the last post.

Here's the page after the juubi was cut.

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Notice how Naruto only one ransenshuriken? This means that the other one was used, and that indicates that it was the thing that was doing the cutting, not the beak of the phoenix. The tip is always what does the cutting in a stabbing attack, the rest of the blade forces the cut to open wider. This means that Naruto was cutting through the juubi with ransenshuriken, and the phoenix opened it up enough to cut it off completely. It's very sad if you think that just because you think that, just because you think your opinion is obvious, your opinion is a fact.


Naruto could cut through a fist, then use that opening to navigate through the barrage.

 

[MarunoKaishin]

He can beat him now, but naruto will eventually surpass him.

 

[KidGamer65]

You're clearly not going to change your mind regardless of what I say, so this will be the last post.

Here's the page after the juubi was cut.

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Notice how Naruto only one ransenshuriken? This means that the other one was used, and that indicates that it was the thing that was doing the cutting, not the beak of the phoenix. The tip is always what does the cutting in a stabbing attack, the rest of the blade forces the cut to open wider. This means that Naruto was cutting through the juubi with ransenshuriken, and the phoenix opened it up enough to cut it off completely. It's very sad if you think that just because you think that, just because you think your opinion is obvious, your opinion is a fact.


Naruto could cut through a fist, then use that opening to navigate through the barrage.

And how the hell does FRS being used change the fact that IT. WAS. ALL. ONE. BIG. COMBINED. ATTACK. Even the phoenix's wings cut through the Juubi's tails. I'm not wasting my time here anymore, read the scan, you see them combine into a phoenix, its clear that it was a combined attack but if you want to deny it and give the credit to Naruto alone be my guest.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Actually, Naruto is stronger than alive Nagato, there is nothing funny in it.

tell yourself that lmao. Naruto > nagato, hashirama, Ems madara. All we're missing is juubi. Too bad sasuke had to come boost his rasenshuriken with enton or we'd be hearing 'lord naruto solo'd juubi'

 

[Turson]

tell yourself that lmao. Naruto > nagato, hashirama, Ems madara. All we're missing is juubi. Too bad sasuke had to come boost his rasenshuriken with enton or we'd be hearing 'lord naruto solo'd juubi'

No, Naruto is weaker than Hashirama or Madara. But Nagato? Six Paths of Pain was the peak of power for that guy. Like I said, Im talking about alive Nagato, not Edo Nagato.

 

[Midday]

In my belief, Rasenshuriken can't cut through the hands, let alone the full body. It's gotten far, far too much mass and is way to thick and bulky. I doubt he could even muster up the width of a Rasenshuriken that big, roughly the size of a meteor to cut through it.

A rasenshuriken cut through several giant rock pieces with ease in the Pain fight, Rasenshuriken was also used to cut through the Juubi's tail's, being to tip of the attack so it did the piercing.

He can maybe blitz through it. But like I said, he's a dead man if he doesn't know of the threat. Hashirama either way will have the upper hand if they were to fight, because he's already seen Kurama's power and knows what he's capable of. But what will Naruto do when Hashi releases 4 clones and makes a barrier around the Flower world, trapping him inside it?

He can blitz away from it. Flower world isn't a one shot, Onoki stayed awake through sheer will power which Naruto doesn't lack. Hashirama's seen Kurama's power but that isn't the same as Naruto+kurama's power.

Hashirama's got to get around into four spots to make the barrier Naruto's a lot faster than him. Doesn't the barrier need 4 different people? Also if he's in it he can just fire off a tbb and destroy everything in it, he'll survive the explosion.

Like I said above, in my belief, Rasenshuriken is weaker than the real Bijuu Dama Shuriken. And I pretty much responded to the rest of that earlier as well.

Rasenshuriken's strength is slicing power which is a lot more effective than a raw explosion, then there's odama rasenshuriken that's a lot larger in size than a regular tbb.

And yes. 1000 hands will be noticeably harder to dodge than 1 person.

With his speed I don't think many things are hard for him to avoid, being small he could just get onto a hand and run up its body towards Hashirama.

 

[Bronze]

I see people posting the Buddha will finish off naruto, hahahaha how silly. All naruto has to do is create 1000 clones with KCM and each attack the Buddha with giant rasengans, and while hashirama focuses at them, naruto uses his speed to get to the top and finish off hashirama.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I see people posting the Buddha will finish off naruto, hahahaha how silly. All naruto has to do is create 1000 clones with KCM and each attack the Buddha with giant rasengans, and while hashirama focuses at them, naruto uses his speed to get to the top and finish off hashirama.

Giant ransengans wouldn't stop it. Naruto's best bet is to try to climb it and use ranenshurikens to cut a path for him to dodge.

 

[Bronze]

Giant ransengans wouldn't stop it. Naruto's best bet is to try to climb it and use ranenshurikens to cut a path for him to dodge.

Where did is say it would stop it?.

 

[AGoodBoy]

No, Naruto is weaker than Hashirama or Madara. But Nagato? Six Paths of Pain was the peak of power for that guy. Like I said, Im talking about alive Nagato, not Edo Nagato.

Even if you refer to 6pop you're still wrong. It's alot harder for him to contend with all 6 of them since there's the linked vision. This isn't like konoha invasion where human path conviniently suicided, deva was conviniently out of the fight the entire time, asura path conviniently rushed tsunade (even though it has rockets and chainsaws that stretch), human path who conviniently fought on his own, nagato who pretty much seemed like he wanted to lose by constantly provoking naruto and wasting time, etc etc etc. Naruto had every single thing in his favor that fight. In a normal fight with heavy plot padding he'd die. And that's not taking into account outter path(nagato) who could simply take his soul away at anytime.

Naruto Vs Pain is the most PNJ match of the series. If that's your evidence for why naruto beats pain, then it's bad evidence.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Even if you refer to 6pop you're still wrong. It's alot harder for him to contend with all 6 of them since there's the linked vision. This isn't like konoha invasion where human path conviniently suicided, deva was conviniently out of the fight the entire time, asura path conviniently rushed tsunade (even though it has rockets and chainsaws that stretch), human path who conviniently fought on his own, nagato who pretty much seemed like he wanted to lose by constantly provoking naruto and wasting time, etc etc etc. Naruto had every single thing in his favor that fight. In a normal fight with heavy plot padding he'd die. And that's not taking into account outter path(nagato) who could simply take his soul away at anytime.

Naruto Vs Pain is the most PNJ match of the series. If that's your evidence for why naruto beats pain, then it's bad evidence.

Actually, it was Sasuke vs Deidara that was the most PNJ. Sasuke just happened to have the chakra nature he needed to survive the fight.

Naruto took down Deva path on his own though.


Naruto in biju mode would destroy Nagato. He'd be able to withstand deva path much better than he did in his 6 tails form. And with the 9 tail's physical power, he'd be able to swat Nagato around.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Actually, it was Sasuke vs Deidara that was the most PNJ. Sasuke just happened to have the chakra nature he needed to survive the fight.

Naruto took down Deva path on his own though.


Naruto in biju mode would destroy Nagato. He'd be able to withstand deva path much better than he did in his 6 tails form. And with the 9 tail's physical power, he'd be able to swat Nagato around.

Deidara wasn't nearly as much PNJ as naruto. Naruto literally had the fight set up.

-There are 6 pain but they all fight 1 at a time. BS.
-Deva (strongest) incapacitated from start so can't help other paths at all.
-Asura (long range fighter) decides to leave the entire group and rush tsunade even though there's 5 frogs and an SM user behind her? Yea ok...
-Human path(can easily remove naruto's soul to drop him into king of hell) decides to suicide to save the useless Animal path. Wtf did animal path do but get shat on?
- Preta path Absorbs ninjutsu but decides to be the one to engage naruto in taijutsu instead of say, human path, animal path, or any of the other useless ones? LoL
- Animal path never summoned chameleon to use it as a camoflauge, or even use the bird to help his team get some flight so they're out of range. Instead, animal path decides to send animals 1 on 1 against naruto. like wut?
- Deva path incapacitates naruto but sits his ass down to talk, then provokes him by killing a comrade infront his eyes.
- Deva blew away entire konoha but Kyuubi tanks ST? For that matter, naruto's clones tank ST? Dafuq?
- Naraka path revives preta path and doesn't try to revive any of the paths too? Uhm... wut? So, now, 6 paths of pain no longer needs 6 paths?
- Naruto coincidentally arrives to konoha at the exact moment pain decides to completely wreck his chakra and all his paths strength with a konoha wiping CST?

And the best part
-Naruto had full knowledge of pain from the start. He had a slug on his shoulder feeding him all his enemies weaknesses. And he still needed a plot crutch.


All 6 paths of pain and nagato literally didn't fight how they should have,, nor did they even really fight IC. Kishi just wanted an exciting fight with pain that naruto could win, that's why he made naruto fight like 1/6(deva path) of like 1/2( nagato himself has his own abilities that paths can't use + his chakra got shot hard) of nagato's full power. And EVEN then, SM naruto AND 6 tail kyuubi both got smacked about by deva path alone. What would've happened if the other paths were there?

What would happen if even preta was there? As soon as naruto would have gone kyuubi he would have his chakra sucked.
What would happen if animal was there? Kyuubi wouldn't even make it past the dog and pain would hide on an invisible chameleon.
What would happen if asura was there? Missles, missles, missles, that'd blast kyuubi all around. The missles were strong enough to blow konoha up quite a bit.
What would happen if Human path(most important one) was there? As soon as naruto broke out of that CT, pain would simply use a bt on him and get human to suck his soul out. Then, they'd bring him back to akatsuki base and revive him with king of hell. Easy.
but no. Pain decides to fight completely out of character and then kill himself. BS.

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Now, for retrospect, this is the amount of bs in sasuke's fight.

-He has lightning nature (a bit odd, ok), and this allows him to beat deid's clay. Well, deid is from rock village so his nature was most likely earth anyway, so that wasn't that much of a stretch.
- Sasuke ugh... well that was it really. Only the lightning bit. At least kishi made deid fight seriously and use his best jutsu that actually kill people. You could say he didn't use C3 but sasuke was already neutralizing his bombs and even brought him down. deid fought completely IC even pulling out his genjutsu immunity but sasuke won. At least he didn't have full intel, or any intel for that matter on deid. Infact, deid actually the one using plot in that fight with all that weird ass nanobot shit, help from tobi to lay mines and a convinient immunity to sharingan genjutsu.

All sasuke had was a convinient nature advantage. Naruto literally has plot. Like nothing that happened in his fight would make you think it was a fight he was even supposed to lose... Pain didn't even seem to want to ****ing win...

IMO, the fight with the second most PNJ is Kakuzu's fight.

 

[BlackFlame44]

And how the hell does FRS being used change the fact that IT. WAS. ALL. ONE. BIG. COMBINED. ATTACK. Even the phoenix's wings cut through the Juubi's tails. I'm not wasting my time here anymore, read the scan, you see them combine into a phoenix, its clear that it was a combined attack but if you want to deny it and give the credit to Naruto alone be my guest.

No one else was attacking

 

[KidGamer65]

No one else was attacking

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Yeah, I guess that giant ass phoenix is Naruto, and Naruto alone charging at the alliance.....

 

[BlackFlame44]

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Yeah, I guess that giant ass phoenix is Naruto, and Naruto alone charging at the alliance.....

Well that's cause it was split by the shuriken maybe when it comes out animated you'll see

 

[ReverseZero12]

People automatically assume Hashirama would beat naruto. All we know is he uses wood jusu's and he eat madara and he has a sag mode...

We've seen Hashirama's feats. He's skies above BM Naruto. Don't believe me? Read the manga.

 

[KidGamer65]

Well that's cause it was split by the shuriken maybe when it comes out animated you'll see

Where do you see Shuriken in that scan?