[Discussion] (SPOILERS) Obito = Kakashi, Apparently.

[darkmanure]

Without MS Obito is a chump. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Gold Lightning]

You people overrate Obito to much and underate Kakashi. Obito controlling the six Jinchuriki was only possible because on Kabuto, it was Kabuto's jutsu that ressurected them. Without Kamui Obito is not as great, all he does is use Kamui and he's too reliant on it.

Kakashi is one of the most skilled Shinobi and smartest in NV. If you take away Obitos intangibility then Kakashican take Obito. Kakashi is faster, smarter and skilled. And no one knows what Obitos Rinnegan abilities Re or if he can even use them.

 

[MrDuck]

I don't really like to compare characters to other characters. But I think that without Kamui they are both equally skilled. They're both experienced and skilled shinobi imo.

 

[Aggregator]

You people overrate Obito to much and underate Kakashi. Obito controlling the six Jinchuriki was only possible because on Kabuto, it was Kabuto's jutsu that ressurected them. Without Kamui Obito is not as great, all he does is use Kamui and he's too reliant on it.

Kakashi is one of the most skilled Shinobi and smartest in NV. If you take away Obitos intangibility then Kakashican take Obito. Kakashi is faster, smarter and skilled. And no one knows what Obitos Rinnegan abilities Re or if he can even use them.

Like I said before, it's been confirmed in the manga.

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Also, Kabuto just edo tenseied the six jinchurriki, making them virtually immortal. If Obito had access to the jinchurrikis' bodies, I'm pretty sure he'd still create his own six paths of pain.

And so what if Obito relies too much on kamui? Going by your logic, Naruto relies too much on Kurama, and Sasuke relies too much on his sussano, and Hashirama is to reliant on his mokuton. You're being biased. The kamui is the primary aspect in Obito's fighting style, just like Kurama is to Naruto.

 

[iKaras]

The recent chapters have more plot holes then Iron man 3 and The Dark Knight rises combined.

 

[tmlms13]

can obito use his space time slip through defense while already in that other dimension? That ability was the basis for a lot of the difficulty of fighting him.

 

[iKaras]

You people overrate Obito to much and underate Kakashi. Obito controlling the six Jinchuriki was only possible because on Kabuto, it was Kabuto's jutsu that ressurected them. Without Kamui Obito is not as great, all he does is use Kamui and he's too reliant on it.

Kakashi is one of the most skilled Shinobi and smartest in NV. If you take away Obitos intangibility then Kakashican take Obito. Kakashi is faster, smarter and skilled. And no one knows what Obitos Rinnegan abilities Re or if he can even use them.

Apparently Obito's Rinnegan does nothing but revive? Seriously dude, It must do something...It's like if Kakashi had Sasuke's MS or EMS and couldn't do amaterasu.

 

[GrayParadise]

I believe they're equal.
It would make sense if people were claiming he had less chakra than Kakashi at the time, but no. Kakashi was probably at 50% as well as Obito.

So since it happened, that's how it is.

 

[The Madara Uchiha]

Lets just say they were both real, Kakashi would die and Obito would not.
Half of his body is constructed from Zetsu... Kakashi is going to die soon since it was said by his father he wouldn't die in this fight (referring to the pain fight) and if this is the last segment to Naruto Kakashi will die.

 

[Tormound]

Like I said before, it's been confirmed in the manga.

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Also, Kabuto just edo tenseied the six jinchurriki, making them virtually immortal. If Obito had access to the jinchurrikis' bodies, I'm pretty sure he'd still create his own six paths of pain.

And so what if Obito relies too much on kamui? Going by your logic, Naruto relies too much on Kurama, and Sasuke relies too much on his sussano, and Hashirama is to reliant on his mokuton. You're being biased. The kamui is the primary aspect in Obito's fighting style, just like Kurama is to Naruto.

He was relying on Kurama for like 3 days now....
At least Hashirama and Sasuke has more skills then "spam this single jutsu cause of my stolen hack DNA"

 

[Takos]

I've made a thread explaining why they actually are equal and why Obito is not at any disadvantage even after fighting Kakashi after dealing with four strong shinobi at once.

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[Draxus]

@OP The last scene doesn't mean they are equal. Clearly Obito is working at a disadvantage. He is much more dependent on his Kumi than Kakashi, so the fact they both can't use it gives the leaf nin an advantage. In the long battle before they entered the dimension, Kakashi got healed up twice, while Obito has been putting a lot of strain on his chakra reserve making it impossible to us Rinnegan during the fight.

Basically w/o any doujutsu abilities Kakashi = Obito.

with that body that is what 75% not his I would believe so (25% being what his like head,right eye, and random parts of his body that wernt taken off from the accident or blown up by konan) He isnt very durable really is just a zetsu with sharigan and rinnegan with an opinion.

Only half of his body has zetsu's parts in it.

was over exaggerating the facts lol. just because everyone loves having senju dna you know.

Actually it's clear that he may have started 50% Zetsu clone, he's much more now. Remember during his fight w/ Minato the arm on his unburied half melted. Also the hole in his chest was made on that side as well.

 

[Rikud0 Sennin]

They are standing in an empty dimension, why would Obito waste time stabbing a clone and how would Kakashi trick him into doing so when he is in plane sight?

Obito wouldn't waste time injuring himself over a clone.

If it was a clone, the real one might not have even gone to the kamui dimension

 

[Aggregator]

He was relying on Kurama for like 3 days now....
At least Hashirama and Sasuke has more skills then "spam this single jutsu cause of my stolen hack DNA"

Now you're just being a fanboy.

Hashirama spams mokuton, and Sasuke spams susanno.

It's true. Get over it.

 

[Trollasaur]

lol I wan't to see Kakashi tame a tailed beast

 

[Uzumaki Kato]

Prob a genjutsu or something like that

 

[CrowNoJutsu]

The same person who soloed Kakashi, Guy, Bee, and Naruto is somehow currently equal to Kakashi. I think this is just plot no jutsu.

But at the same time, Obito has wasted a crapload of chakra on the jinchurikis, and when he sucked Kakashi into the other dimension, he already got rasenganed twice, and raikried once. (probably was a genjutsu) Not to mention he took a couple of solid hits from Kakashi when Kurama found out Obito's weakness. Plus, he had a solid fight with Bee, Guy, Kakashi, and Naruto, who switched from KCM to BM multiple times.

So what do you guys think? Is this the result of plot no jutsu, or is Obito just weak after all this fighting? Also, what do you think will happen to Kakashi and/or Obito?

I'm 99% sure that what Obito's stabbing through is just a clone. But let's say plot no jutsu isn't affecting this. Obito would see Kakashi's hand seals because of his sharingan. So, he'd probably stab Kakashi before he ever had the chance to make the clone.

What do you guys think?

I think Obito has an advantage because of his Rinnegan, but I doubt he will win this fight. I think Kakashi's intelligence is going to make the difference.

By the way, your signature is awesome. I'm a huge fan of both Jay-Z and Kanye West XD

 

[abister90]

Obito:
Senju DNA & Woodstyle
Mangekyo Sharingan
Rinnegan (has only used it once)
Kamui

People continue to overpower Obito. If he is as strong as people make him out to be, why create akatsuki? Why not just capture all of the biiju on his own? Probably because he couldn't?

Obito did not like Itachi. He even stayed away from Konoha and from Sasuke while Itachi was alive. If Obito was as strong as people make him out to be, why didn't he try to kill Itachi? Probably because he couldn't?

Obito was shown to be a little nervous and weary of Kabuto. He even seemed nervous when Kabuto revealed Edo-Tensei to him. He even went as far as to ask how to defeat it. Why? Because he didn't trust Kabuto. Fair enough. But... If Obito was as strong as people made him out to be, he wouldn't have been nervous of Kabuto.

Obito was shown to be afraid of Madara returning. If he is as strong as people make him out to be, why didn't he just get rid of Madara? He can't.

Obito fought Minato did he not? Back then he had Mangekyo Sharingan, 9 Tails, Wood Style, Senju DNA... BUT he still lost to Minato, did he not? Minato's name is still as famous as it was before he died. They even had flee on sight commands if Minato entered the field. I don't care if Obito was 15 years younger when he fought Minato, point is... he had all the same stuff he has right now and still couldn't beat Minato.

I know that Obito fanboys are going to say "Well, he was young and inexperienced..." Do you really think he could take Minato now? Minato has FTG and his Bijuu Mode, with these two things alone, Minato's speed is a hell of a lot better than Naruto's now, he gets a strength increase, defense increase, etc.


Kakashi:
Mangekyo Sharingan
Master of 1000's of jutsu (hence his nickname "copycat ninja)
Extremely good battle tactician and well trained in many forms of combat (hence his position in the war)
Kamui

Kakashi lost to Itachi, he lost to Nagato, etc. Look at Obito and Kakashi right now. Their handicap (Kamui) is no longer an issue anymore. Since they aren't using Kamui, they are just fighting with everything they have. THEY ARE EQUAL! People need to stop overpowering Obito. He is only strong because of Kamui. As you can see, without it, he is not better than Naruto, Sasuke, Itachi, Nagato, Minato, Hashirama, etc, etc, etc. Without Kamui, do you think that Obito could defeat Nagato's Paths? Without Kamuing his way out of situations, do you think he would be any match for Itachi? Without his Kamui, he is put down on the same level as Kakashi. That's it. Simple as that.

 

[CrowNoJutsu]

Obito:
Senju DNA & Woodstyle
Mangekyo Sharingan
Rinnegan (has only used it once)
Kamui

People continue to overpower Obito. If he is as strong as people make him out to be, why create akatsuki? Why not just capture all of the biiju on his own? Probably because he couldn't?

Obito did not like Itachi. He even stayed away from Konoha and from Sasuke while Itachi was alive. If Obito was as strong as people make him out to be, why didn't he try to kill Itachi? Probably because he couldn't?

Obito was shown to be a little nervous and weary of Kabuto. He even seemed nervous when Kabuto revealed Edo-Tensei to him. He even went as far as to ask how to defeat it. Why? Because he didn't trust Kabuto. Fair enough. But... If Obito was as strong as people made him out to be, he wouldn't have been nervous of Kabuto.

Obito was shown to be afraid of Madara returning. If he is as strong as people make him out to be, why didn't he just get rid of Madara? He can't.

Obito fought Minato did he not? Back then he had Mangekyo Sharingan, 9 Tails, Wood Style, Senju DNA... BUT he still lost to Minato, did he not? Minato's name is still as famous as it was before he died. They even had flee on sight commands if Minato entered the field. I don't care if Obito was 15 years younger when he fought Minato, point is... he had all the same stuff he has right now and still couldn't beat Minato.

I know that Obito fanboys are going to say "Well, he was young and inexperienced..." Do you really think he could take Minato now? Minato has FTG and his Bijuu Mode, with these two things alone, Minato's speed is a hell of a lot better than Naruto's now, he gets a strength increase, defense increase, etc.


Kakashi:
Mangekyo Sharingan
Master of 1000's of jutsu (hence his nickname "copycat ninja)
Extremely good battle tactician and well trained in many forms of combat (hence his position in the war)
Kamui

Kakashi lost to Itachi, he lost to Nagato, etc. Look at Obito and Kakashi right now. Their handicap (Kamui) is no longer an issue anymore. Since they aren't using Kamui, they are just fighting with everything they have. THEY ARE EQUAL! People need to stop overpowering Obito. He is only strong because of Kamui. As you can see, without it, he is not better than Naruto, Sasuke, Itachi, Nagato, Minato, Hashirama, etc, etc, etc. Without Kamui, do you think that Obito could defeat Nagato's Paths? Without Kamuing his way out of situations, do you think he would be any match for Itachi? Without his Kamui, he is put down on the same level as Kakashi. That's it. Simple as that.

Extremely well put. Respect!

 

[NarutoSamaKama]

It doesn't matter what anyone says, both of them are showing even right now. Kakashi is thrusting him with Rakiri, and Obito is stabbing him with a Giant Shuriken