Kisame > KCM Naruto

[Booker]

Lol Did you not read about SM chakra. The tech would be suicidal for Kisame, All Naruto needs is to enter SM and let the bastard absorb chakra.

Also Its Naruto his chakra is overwhelming, a trick like giant dome is nothing. Afterall Kurama soloed 5 tailed beasts.

Lol nope.

SM uses natural energy. Kisame doesn't absorb that. He absorbs chakra.

Kurama? That's BM mode. Do you even know what you are talking about? Are you suggesting KCM Naruto can solo 5 tailed beasts?

 

[Booker]

yes it absorbs chakra,but look at bee it took time before his cloak was absorbed,and he still had chakra,so water dome can't drain the target's chakra immdiately,in that time it is possible to summon.
also lets not forget bee was trying to take out an immobile giant racoon and another dude out of it,yeah that didn't slow him down at all.

KCM Naruto without his cloak gets stomped on.

That's where i'm ending this.

 

[Prince Charles]

I was talking about water prison and not the giant dome U_U

You replied to my post where im talking about the water dome.. You never specified that you were referring to water prison.. U_U

 

[Minator93]

You should probably stop over rating SM and Base Naruto and underrating Kisame... All this that I am reading is unnvering my inner fanboy.

Kisame would defeat Sage Mode Naruto high diff, base Naruto low diff and I am unsure of KCM Naruto. It depends on whether or not KCM Naruto is THAT superior in speed to Kisame. If he isn't? He'll end up getting chakra ripped out of him or be on the receiving end of massive suiton techniques. Like a thousand feeding sharks, Water Dome, and Great Shark Bomb.

Bro SM Naruto beat PO6P with info. Jiraya died against him and Kisame shat against Jiraya. We know SM Naruto is above Jiraya's top form. SM Naruto is very powerful but usually overshadowed by KCM and BM.

As for Base. He took 2 of Kakuzu's lives with 1 FRS and can summon Boss toads. Further base Naruto has speed comparable to Kakashi and above Sasuke's and can do upto 1000 Kage Bunshins. He's also very strong.

Kisame loses to SM,KCM,BM easily. Put him against base Naruto and we have a decent debate U_U

 

[Minator93]

Lol nope.

SM uses natural energy. Kisame doesn't absorb that. He absorbs chakra.

Kurama? That's BM mode. Do you even know what you are talking about? Are you suggesting KCM Naruto can solo 5 tailed beasts?

Lol you just failed miserably. Natural Energy is in fact the cause of Senjutsu Chakra. Meaning Kisame absorbs the Senjutsu chakra and dies. You Just lost here.

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The Kurama reference was to show how much Chakra Naruto packs! Nothing more.

 

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KCM Naruto without his cloak gets stomped on.

That's where i'm ending this.

you're assuming naruto's KCM will run right way,that's where your theory is completely wrong.bee took a long time before he ran out.(not to mention he could got out a ong time ago if he didn't bother to save his friends)
toad summon can help him get out even faster.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Haha,, I should have expected you to be on this thread. And you think the KCM clones would give Naruto that much of an edge?

Lol, of course. I expected nothing less then to see some typical Kisame underration. But, yeah...definitely.

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would just be too overwhelming for Kisame. That is like 10+ Kage level clones that can all use FRS... Not to mention the possibility that Naruto can create even more clones. I just don't see Kisame taking on all those clones, even in the WD.

SM is a debatable fight I feel, I think they're on pretty equal terms. The thought of base Naruto defeating Kisame, is pretty ridiculous though.

 

[Fodder#4]

Bro SM Naruto beat PO6P with info. Jiraya died against him and Kisame shat against Jiraya. We know SM Naruto is above Jiraya's top form. SM Naruto is very powerful but usually overshadowed by KCM and BM.

As for Base. He took 2 of Kakuzu's lives with 1 FRS and can summon Boss toads. Further base Naruto has speed comparable to Kakashi and above Sasuke's and can do upto 1000 Kage Bunshins. He's also very strong.

Kisame loses to SM,KCM,BM easily. Put him against base Naruto and we have a decent debate U_U

Hahahaah, no. And, he did beat Pein. After losing at first when he had near full intel and when Deva couldn't fight. Kurama's rampage one him the day, well and Minato's sealing.

Sage Mode Naruto is not superior to Pein. Fact. Kisame shat against Jiraiya? No, he simply did not believe he could take a Sannin. FEATS speak otherwise though.

He did, but it's a jutsu that also does incredible harm to him too. And, if it gets within a certain range of Samehada the attack will start to break down and be absorbed. Like Bee's raiton[

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Rasenshuriken is also a dangerous technique for Naruto to use and he won't use it right away.

Let's not forget that this fight will be fought in close range. Both fighters are like that. And, needless to say that Naruto will be getting his chakra ripped away. Large amounts. A bandaged Samehada had tore away all of Naruto's kyuubi chakra in part one.

Such levels Neji compared to a 30% Kisame, the Tailless tailed Beast. And, we know for a fact that Samehada enjoys bijuu chakra. It will most likely begin to grow when it catches a taste of KCM Naruto.

Sage Mode Naruto would be getting his chakra stolen, much like he did against Preta Path. And before you even say it, no. Nature Chakra directly from Naruto won't turn Samehada to stone. The Preta Path only turned to stone once Naruto began gathering nature chakra and pumping it into him.

A simple swipe will not turn it to stone. And a Base Naruto is not winning.

A rasengan can be countered by Samehada. Or, if it is landed, Samehada will heal Kisame. It won't kill Kisame, he survived a deadly punch FROM a 7th Gate Gai.

And you mention Base Naruto's strength? You do realize Kisame had enough raw strength to break out of Yamato's wood bindings while having his chakra repressed and after being injured from fighting Gai.

And, summons are a no brainer. A thousand feeding sharks will rid Kisame of the problem, or he can deal with them the same way he dealt with the massive racoon. Hitting it.

You honestly are either just. . Fanboying over Naruto, or hate Kisame to even believe Base Naruto could put up a fight. Sage Mode Naruto would, yes. KCM, debatable. Base? GTFO.

, of course. I expected nothing less then to see some typical Kisame underration. But, yeah...definitely. This would just be too overwhelming for Kisame. That is like 10+ Kage level clones that can all use FRS... Not to mention the possibility that Naruto can create even more clones. I just don't see Kisame taking on all those clones, even in the WD.

SM is a debatable fight I feel, I think they're on pretty equal terms. The thought of base Naruto defeating Kisame, is pretty ridiculous though.

Ehh, KCM Naruto I could debate against, I feel like speed is the key issue.

And Kisame could defeat a Sage Mode Naruto, I feel like. The Nature Chakra didn't turn the Preta Path to stone till more chakra was fed directly from the ground to the Preta Path.

Naruto won't be held in a single spot to be able to do this, so yeah. I don't see Sage Mode winning unless Kisame is hit with a massive rasengan.

 

[Booker]

Lol you just failed miserably. Natural Energy is in fact the cause of Senjutsu Chakra. Meaning Kisame absorbs the Senjutsu chakra and dies. You Just lost here.

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The Kurama reference was to show how much Chakra Naruto packs! Nothing more.

Im at work I'll respond later.

 

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Ehh, KCM Naruto I could debate against, I feel like speed is the key issue.

And Kisame could defeat a Sage Mode Naruto, I feel like. The Nature Chakra didn't turn the Preta Path to stone till more chakra was fed directly from the ground to the Preta Path.

Naruto won't be held in a single spot to be able to do this, so yeah. I don't see Sage Mode winning unless Kisame is hit with a massive rasengan.

Well of course it's debatable, as it certainly isn't a stomp, nor will it be easy for either of them to win. Speed? How so? V2 Bee wasn't much of an issue despite him being much faster then Kisame. Really it's those pesky clones, IMO. I mean...how do you see Kisame dealing with 10+ KCM clones?

As for SM Naruto, he definitely could... But again, what worries me are those damn kage bunshins... How does Kisame go about dealing with this:

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[Minator93]

Hahahaah, no. And, he did beat Pein. After losing at first when he had near full intel and when Deva couldn't fight. Kurama's rampage one him the day, well and Minato's sealing.

Sage Mode Naruto is not superior to Pein. Fact. Kisame shat against Jiraiya? No, he simply did not believe he could take a Sannin. FEATS speak otherwise though.

He did, but it's a jutsu that also does incredible harm to him too. And, if it gets within a certain range of Samehada the attack will start to break down and be absorbed. Like Bee's raiton[

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Rasenshuriken is also a dangerous technique for Naruto to use and he won't use it right away.

Let's not forget that this fight will be fought in close range. Both fighters are like that. And, needless to say that Naruto will be getting his chakra ripped away. Large amounts. A bandaged Samehada had tore away all of Naruto's kyuubi chakra in part one.

Such levels Neji compared to a 30% Kisame, the Tailless tailed Beast. And, we know for a fact that Samehada enjoys bijuu chakra. It will most likely begin to grow when it catches a taste of KCM Naruto.

Sage Mode Naruto would be getting his chakra stolen, much like he did against Preta Path. And before you even say it, no. Nature Chakra directly from Naruto won't turn Samehada to stone. The Preta Path only turned to stone once Naruto began gathering nature chakra and pumping it into him.

A simple swipe will not turn it to stone. And a Base Naruto is not winning.

A rasengan can be countered by Samehada. Or, if it is landed, Samehada will heal Kisame. It won't kill Kisame, he survived a deadly punch FROM a 7th Gate Gai.

And you mention Base Naruto's strength? You do realize Kisame had enough raw strength to break out of Yamato's wood bindings while having his chakra repressed and after being injured from fighting Gai.

And, summons are a no brainer. A thousand feeding sharks will rid Kisame of the problem, or he can deal with them the same way he dealt with the massive racoon. Hitting it.

You honestly are either just. . Fanboying over Naruto, or hate Kisame to even believe Base Naruto could put up a fight. Sage Mode Naruto would, yes. KCM, debatable. Base? GTFO.

Forget Base for now. Also forget KCM as it would overwhelm Kisame with low to med diff. And let me be very clear on this one I like Kisame, he has the same voice as Jin [Kirk Thornton] so he's a badass in my list U_U

Now If Samehada tires to absorb the chakra it dies and that's canon. So don't come up with fantasies of it taking away SM chakra comfortably. A slight absorption => GG Samehada U_U

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] Just one drop of oil comprising of Natural energy started to change him, Samehada will absorb far more in one stroke and die.

Its far too difficult to maintain

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, even someone as skilled as Jiraya couldn't to it perfectly. Samehada's 1 whip took chakra that was enough to summon Gamabunta, so We know for a fact that Samehad absorbs a huge chunk. If that Chakra isn't balanced

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Now this is just 1 parameter of the fight. We haven't dwelled into Frog Kata, FRS Odama Rasengans, Rasenrengans, SM Clones, SM Raw power, SM Summons and most importantly the SM Sensing U_U

Each and every attack gets dodged very easily because SM allows Naruto to sense it even before it happens [

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I cant go into SM's other feats because there are far too much to post. But Kisame isn't fighting with SM on same level. SM takes this with Med Diff U_U

 

[warlee]

Kcm naruto already blitz kisame and no chakra was absorbed too. If naruto use his speed to blitz he will win before kisame have any chance, but if he didn't he can still win with his summons to counter waterdome he has 5 boss summons, if he summon 5 of them and have them go in different direction in the dome kisame won't know which one to follow. Naruto can put his clone with each of them to create more confusion. And is this the kcm naruto w/o kyuubi coperation? And i doubt kisame would be able to absorb chou odama rasnshuriken @ once.

 

[Fodder#4]

Well of course it's debatable, as it certainly isn't a stomp, nor will it be easy for either of them to win. Speed? How so? V2 Bee wasn't much of an issue despite him being much faster then Kisame. Really it's those pesky clones, IMO. I mean...how do you see Kisame dealing with 10+ KCM clones?

As for SM Naruto, he definitely could... But again, what worries me are those damn kage bunshins... How does Kisame go about dealing with this:

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Naruto was in a state of sitting and stillness, he could easily gather enough nature chakra to make those clones. He wouldn't get the chance to sit around against Kisame.

And, correct me if I am wrong, but one solid hit and they will dispell, right? A tedious counter I use, but one none the less. A thousand feeding sharks should be enough to take out the chakra clones. If they do vanish after a decisive blow.

And speed wise, Killer Bee's V2 did overwhelm Kisame at times and get the better of him. When he inflicted the wound that showcased Samehada's regeneration-gifting power. That, and I know it's a bad example but KCM Naruto did somewhat "blitz" Kisame when he was found out.

And, I frankly don't know how fact KCM Naruto even goes at anymore. Some people overrated it, underrate it. Hard to keep up with all of this.

 

[Minator93]

Naruto was in a state of sitting and stillness, he could easily gather enough nature chakra to make those clones. He wouldn't get the chance to sit around against Kisame.

And, correct me if I am wrong, but one solid hit and they will dispell, right? A tedious counter I use, but one none the less. A thousand feeding sharks should be enough to take out the chakra clones. If they do vanish after a decisive blow.

And speed wise, Killer Bee's V2 did overwhelm Kisame at times and get the better of him. When he inflicted the wound that showcased Samehada's regeneration-gifting power. That, and I know it's a bad example but KCM Naruto did somewhat "blitz" Kisame when he was found out.

And, I frankly don't know how fact KCM Naruto even goes at anymore. Some people overrated it, underrate it. Hard to keep up with all of this.

This is how it went down the last time

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The speedblitz overwhelms Kisame U_U

 

[End of Days]

Underwater? Have you ever tried throwing something underwater? Lol





Are we just choosing to forget here that Water Dome absorbs chakra?

Are we just choosing to forget Kisame just about beat a Perfect Jin (that also happens to be an OCTOPUS) with this jutsu?

No, I haven't tried to throw anything underwater but that doesn't mean Naruto can't throw frs underwater
Naruto has chakra arms that can extend and that is as good as throwing

And lol bee was holding back the full hachibi mode cause he would have killed his enka master
Eight tails whirlwind blows away the water dome
Tbb barrage counters GSB and kills kisame

 

[Fodder#4]

Forget Base for now. Also forget KCM as it would overwhelm Kisame with low to med diff. And let me be very clear on this one I like Kisame, he has the same voice as Jin [Kirk Thornton] so he's a badass in my list U_U

Now If Samehada tires to absorb the chakra it dies and that's canon. So don't come up with fantasies of it taking away SM chakra comfortably. A slight absorption => GG Samehada U_U

Look what happened here[

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] Just one drop of oil comprising of Natural energy started to change him, Samehada will absorb far more in one stroke and die.

Its far too difficult to maintain

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, even someone as skilled as Jiraya couldn't to it perfectly. Samehada's 1 whip took chakra that was enough to summon Gamabunta, so We know for a fact that Samehad absorbs a huge chunk. If that Chakra isn't balanced

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Now this is just 1 parameter of the fight. We haven't dwelled into Frog Kata, FRS Odama Rasengans, Rasenrengans, SM Clones, SM Raw power, SM Summons and most importantly the SM Sensing U_U

Each and every attack gets dodged very easily because SM allows Naruto to sense it even before it happens [

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I cant go into SM's other feats because there are far too much to post. But Kisame isn't fighting with SM on same level. SM takes this with Med Diff U_U

Arguing on behalf of SM Naruto? Fine, let's switch over to that field of battle.

Here is the Preta Path

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Naruto's Senjutsu Chakra. See? Fine. Now, let's see what happens when naruto draws upon even more

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And, after reviewing the Nagato vs Itachi, Killer Bee, and KCM Naruto fight, I realized that the Preta Path technically has a greater chakra absorption feat. Samehada brought Killer Bee down to a V1 state. The Preta Path power just

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all of it.

From this, we can rightfully see that the Preta path> Samehada when it comes to chakra absorption. Why do I bring this up? Refer to the earlier scans please. It wasn't until Naruto began feeding even more Nature chakra the Preta Path did it turn. After absorbing all of the Senjutsu Chakra, it was fine. Samehada will fair the same way, only it may or may not get it all in a single swipe.

Continuing from this; Naruto was still and capable of gathering the needed nature chakra. Kisame won't be holding Naruto down when they fight, it will be a quick thing. Naruto won't be able to defeat Samehada the same way He defeated the Preta Path.

Next point I would like to make, you are turned into a statue when you are overloaded with Nature Chakra. That's not death, and not for Kisame. And, let's assume Samehada HAS been defeated. Kisame still has high level ninjutsu he can use to defeat a chakra-lessened Naruto. He can summon Sharks, use a Suiton-Shark technique on various levels.

Hell, he could manage to trap Naruto in a water prison and drowned him with the help from his water clone jutsu.

You are right, highten'd senses will give Naruto a boost. But, Samehada does have a certain range to it's absorption. I've shown in an earlier scan with both Killer Bee's second raiton Sword(?) and the center-most part of Itachi's katon.
Naruto, if he does avoid a direct hit, will still be the victim of having some chakra stolen.

And a Water Dome along with a few water clones and water-formed sharks an potentially drown Naruto. The clones and sharks can keep Naruto away from the surface, and Kisame can keep moving in the general direction of Naruto to also make sure he doesn't escape.

Shall I bring up the Great Shark Bomb? Something that would effortlessly absorb Senjutsu chakra, in a worst case scenario. And I doubt Naruto will be avoiding something of

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Not only could the water-formed shark bite down and do damage to Naruto that way, but his Sage Mode chakra would be gone and he would be in the middle of Kisame's jutsu.

I would say Kisame wins this more often then not, high diff.

Edit: As for your last picture post, that's what I meant by "Naruto's speed in KCM is Kisame's biggest issue".

 

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Naruto was in a state of sitting and stillness, he could easily gather enough nature chakra to make those clones. He wouldn't get the chance to sit around against Kisame.

And, correct me if I am wrong, but one solid hit and they will dispell, right? A tedious counter I use, but one none the less. A thousand feeding sharks should be enough to take out the chakra clones. If they do vanish after a decisive blow.

And speed wise, Killer Bee's V2 did overwhelm Kisame at times and get the better of him. When he inflicted the wound that showcased Samehada's regeneration-gifting power. That, and I know it's a bad example but KCM Naruto did somewhat "blitz" Kisame when he was found out.

And, I frankly don't know how fact KCM Naruto even goes at anymore. Some people overrated it, underrate it. Hard to keep up with all of this.

Hmm... I suppose 1,000 sharks is a pretty viable counter for a a muli kage bunshin. Assuming there is a large enough supply of water of course. There is also the possibility that the clones can jump over a lot of them considering the height of which Naruto can jump in KCM. Also, there is his frog summon that will no doubt be capable of jumping over a thousand sharks.

I don't see no such speed overwhelming Kisame. Sure, Kisame wasn't able to react, but he remained cool and collective as V2 Bee was charging in for a Lariat. He saw no major threat, as he knew fully well that he would be able to endure whatever damage Bee was about to inflict on him and heal from it. The same way Kisame ripped off of a large portion of Bee's chakra, despite being able to react, he could do to KCM Naruto if he so chooses to "Blitz". Difference being, a KCM punch isn't doing anywhere near as much damage as a V2 Lariat.

 

[Minator93]

Arguing on behalf of SM Naruto? Fine, let's switch over to that field of battle.

Here is the Preta Path

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Naruto's Senjutsu Chakra. See? Fine. Now, let's see what happens when naruto draws upon even more

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And, after reviewing the Nagato vs Itachi, Killer Bee, and KCM Naruto fight, I realized that the Preta Path technically has a greater chakra absorption feat. Samehada brought Killer Bee down to a V1 state. The Preta Path power just

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all of it.

From this, we can rightfully see that the Preta path> Samehada when it comes to chakra absorption. Why do I bring this up? Refer to the earlier scans please. It wasn't until Naruto began feeding even more Nature chakra the Preta Path did it turn. After absorbing all of the Senjutsu Chakra, it was fine. Samehada will fair the same way, only it may or may not get it all in a single swipe.

Continuing from this; Naruto was still and capable of gathering the needed nature chakra. Kisame won't be holding Naruto down when they fight, it will be a quick thing. Naruto won't be able to defeat Samehada the same way He defeated the Preta Path.

Next point I would like to make, you are turned into a statue when you are overloaded with Nature Chakra. That's not death, and not for Kisame. And, let's assume Samehada HAS been defeated. Kisame still has high level ninjutsu he can use to defeat a chakra-lessened Naruto. He can summon Sharks, use a Suiton-Shark technique on various levels.

Hell, he could manage to trap Naruto in a water prison and drowned him with the help from his water clone jutsu.

You are right, highten'd senses will give Naruto a boost. But, Samehada does have a certain range to it's absorption. I've shown in an earlier scan with both Killer Bee's second raiton Sword(?) and the center-most part of Itachi's katon.
Naruto, if he does avoid a direct hit, will still be the victim of having some chakra stolen.

And a Water Dome along with a few water clones and water-formed sharks an potentially drown Naruto. The clones and sharks can keep Naruto away from the surface, and Kisame can keep moving in the general direction of Naruto to also make sure he doesn't escape.

Shall I bring up the Great Shark Bomb? Something that would effortlessly absorb Senjutsu chakra, in a worst case scenario. And I doubt Naruto will be avoiding something of

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Not only could the water-formed shark bite down and do damage to Naruto that way, but his Sage Mode chakra would be gone and he would be in the middle of Kisame's jutsu.

I would say Kisame wins this more often then not, high diff.

Edit: As for your last picture post, that's what I meant by "Naruto's speed in KCM is Kisame's biggest issue".

You've posted such a nice argument but I'll beat it.

1st off about the SM chakra Preta absorbed you failed to grasp that, Naruto was almost running out of it why? Because he had used toe FRS prior to that Situation. His SM limit at that time was

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So technically Naruto's SM was over when Preta grabbed him, Naruto just gathered some and allowed it to absorb, Had preta tried it on Recharged SM it was a GG.

Also You made the wrong comparison Edo Nagato why? For 1 Edo Nagato started to absorb continuously from

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Kisame's Samehada I repeat absorbed a chunk of chakra that was enought to summon Gamabunta in 1 whip and in this battle that's his down fall.

When Samehada is out of the equation then its pretty much over [it wasn't a big fight for Naruto anyways] Naruto can Kuchiyose Boss Summons even Ma and Pa they can genjutsu solo.

The Boss Summons would overwhelm Kisame at any given time. Also it Kisame gets in the range of Frog Fu its game over for him. If he tires long range then FRS kills him. Naruto can spawn SM clones to make matter worse for Kisame. They go in without any fear and just overwhelm him with the Rasengans or Odama Rasengans or Rasenrengans. I mean speed wise, reflex wise SM Naruto is far above Kisame.

Further as said earlier we know that SM sensing is the real *****, whatever Kisame throws gets avoided and countered.

This is a fight that Kisame just can't win.

 

[Fodder#4]

Hmm... I suppose 1,000 sharks is a pretty viable counter for a a muli kage bunshin. Assuming there is a large enough supply of water of course. There is also the possibility that the clones can jump over a lot of them considering the height of which Naruto can jump in KCM. Also, there is his frog summon that will no doubt be capable of jumping over a thousand sharks.

I don't see no such speed overwhelming Kisame. Sure, Kisame wasn't able to react, but he remained cool and collective as V2 Bee was charging in for a Lariat. He saw no major threat, as he knew fully well that he would be able to endure whatever damage Bee was about to inflict on him and heal from it. The same way Kisame ripped off of a large portion of Bee's chakra, despite being able to react, he could do to KCM Naruto if he so chooses to "Blitz". Difference being, a KCM punch isn't doing anywhere near as much damage as a V2 Lariat.

I can see the logic and the points you make here, speed wise for Naruto vs Kisame. True, I suppose KCM's speed won't be nearly as large an issue as I thought.

And yes, some could probably leap over the wave of sharks. But I doubt all of them will make it, and it will thin the numbers out considerably. Bakusui Shōha and Dai Bakusui Shōha should flood the battlefield. And we both know that Kisame is likely to do this, as to gain an advantage.

So I do see A Thousand Feeding Sharks as a good enough counter to the KCM Clones. But I don't see the majority of them leaping over this

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, I could see half or a bit less. It's pretty damn big!

 

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And yes, some could probably leap over the wave of sharks. But I doubt all of them will make it, and it will thin the numbers out considerably. Bakusui Shōha and Dai Bakusui Shōha should flood the battlefield. And we both know that Kisame is likely to do this, as to gain an advantage.

So I do see A Thousand Feeding Sharks as a good enough counter to the KCM Clones. But I don't see the majority of them leaping over this

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, I could see half or a bit less. It's pretty damn big!

Touché my friend. Always a pleasure discussing Kisame with you. .