【NB Debate Tourney: SasoriOfTheRedSaand vs DrProof】
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Although the post were long, it was still a short debate. I feel the debate was incomplete, imo.
DrProof - You was completely offensive with your debate. Just an overall assault leading them little to no time to attack. Good call on poison would not affect Trollkage water like body. Kakuzu's Lightning heart breaking Gaara's defense. TBH.. I really don't know what to think of that. I mean.. wouldn't you say Sasuke's speed also played a part in making the impact of Chidori stronger? I also wouldn't say Kakuzu Lightning is that fast, seeing as it was easily intercepted by Kakashi. I'm not say it's not possibly, but I don't know. Also, as Sasori stated, you miss a few things in his rebuttal that was actually important or possibly game changers. Nevertheless, you still did great.
SasoriOfTheRedSaand - I expected more from Sasori, but it was Gaara who was your star player here. You made great points about on how Gaara would stop the hearts from capturing them from below with Sand. And how he could mix the Iron Sand with his Sand to block against Lightning if it so happen to come to that. Nice call how Iron Sand could be able to slow down and capturing Jouki Boy.
Overall, Nice debate, but it feels incomplete. It feels like both of you still had a little bit more to say, especially for DrProof.
I'm giving my vote to SasoriOfTheRedSaand. Can't wait to see what the other judges think.
DrProof - You was completely offensive with your debate. Just an overall assault leading them little to no time to attack. Good call on poison would not affect Trollkage water like body. Kakuzu's Lightning heart breaking Gaara's defense. TBH.. I really don't know what to think of that. I mean.. wouldn't you say Sasuke's speed also played a part in making the impact of Chidori stronger? I also wouldn't say Kakuzu Lightning is that fast, seeing as it was easily intercepted by Kakashi. I'm not say it's not possibly, but I don't know. Also, as Sasori stated, you miss a few things in his rebuttal that was actually important or possibly game changers. Nevertheless, you still did great.
SasoriOfTheRedSaand - I expected more from Sasori, but it was Gaara who was your star player here. You made great points about on how Gaara would stop the hearts from capturing them from below with Sand. And how he could mix the Iron Sand with his Sand to block against Lightning if it so happen to come to that. Nice call how Iron Sand could be able to slow down and capturing Jouki Boy.
Overall, Nice debate, but it feels incomplete. It feels like both of you still had a little bit more to say, especially for DrProof.
I'm giving my vote to SasoriOfTheRedSaand. Can't wait to see what the other judges think.
Alright let’s get started. I really enjoyed this debate. The fighters were interesting, two of which have actually fought before and the debaters portrayed their abilities in the best light during this match. The arguments were rather short but enjoyable to read none the less. I will now begin to judge.
Dr. Proof, your post was commendable. You displayed Kakuzu’s long and wide range techniques, how they might be employed in deflecting and penetrating sand, how his flight ability would increase the reach of his attacks and leave his enemy with literally no place to hide. How his threads can even burrow into the earth for a devastating surprise attack, how his Fire mask can work in conjunction with the Wind to the effect of generating pure devastation and you well portrayed the degree of piercing power imbued in the lightning spears of Gian.
As for the Second Mizukage, you depicted his every known move with great skill. The water bullets ability to pierce Sasori’s core, the Mirage genjutsu’s distortion of reality, the immunity to poison granted by the Mizukage’s liquid configuration. Truly impressive indeed. I think you should also be commended for your initiative by not allowing the Mizukage take on Gaara, who has defeated the water user in the past.
Your argument could be faulted in some ways however, and now I would endeavor to enlighten you. Firstly, While Kakuzu’s Gian is a high level Lightning attack, equal to two S-Ranked Raikiri in power, Gaara’s sand is also a very potent defense, to the extent that it has been dubbed the Ultimate Defense. There is no assurance that Gian would pierce every degree of sand. His sand has undoubtedly come a long way since his genin days, I don’t suppose you think a 12 twelve year old Sasuke can just run up to him armed with a Chidori and have any chance of success, do you?
It was never explicitly stated that lightning in the weakness of Gaara’s sand. It’s an assumption based on something that happened when Gaara was a genin. Even when Sasuke managed to achieved this feat, he could only get so far as to wound Gaara’s shoulder after piercing the sand. Orochimaru called Kimimaro’s spear the ultimate blade, and he knows Kakashi has Raikiri. So it the eyes of the aged and experienced Sannin, Kimimaro’s blade is the strongest. And yet it was shattered by Gaara’s sand after only piercing a small distance. Also, Gaara’s sand, like your opponent pointed out, could resist one Susanoo sword and then still protect Gaara from about five. This is weakened Gaara and it wasn’t even all his sand.
You are also forgetting that Gaara’s sand has resisted the lightning empowered attack that the Fourth Raikage was about to deliver on Sasuke, while at the same time resisting the Uchiha’s Blaze Release. If you have a knowledge of science, you’d know that lightning has a very high temperature which is its main power(it strikes a tree and the trees bursts into flames). Amaterasu’s temperature is such that it easily burned through A’s lightning armor( a feat Sasuke’s lightning technique Chidori could only just manage to accomplish) and yet it failed to burn through Gaara’s sand at all. All this should tell you just how resistant Gaara’s sand is to heat and piercing power.
Also, you surmised that that the Iron Sand would be unable to render Jouki boy immobile. The only quality required for stopping Jouki boy is to over lay it with a material much denser than it. Gaara can use the Iron Sand of the Kazekage. As for the heat factor, yes, it is a good conductor of heat but that was actually a plus for Gaara as the gold conducted the heat away from the Jouki boy, allowing the hail to cool it. It is the exact same scenario(I think this was mentioned in the manga). You said Gaara would be too busy with Kakuzu to locate the clam, neglecting that Gaara was actually busy with the Mizukage when he located the clam in the manga and still had the presence of mind to save Onoki from certain death via a sand clone.
Sasori of the Red Sand, your posts were great. Very little in the way of fallacy and assumption. You rendered the Mirage genjutsu and the Infinite Explosions Technique futile by correlating your argument with the manga canon. You defended Gaara’s sand astutely from the assumption of a lightning weakness. You showed great creativity and ingenuity in mixing Iron Sand with sand for increased defensive power. You showed how Iron Sand alone is capable of capturing and killing the rather elusive Mizukage via suffocation. I could go on and on, but I believe I have suffered the spectators and debaters enough with the lengthy post, so I shall conclude by simply saying, Sasori of the Red Sand wins! ^_^
Dr. Proof, your post was commendable. You displayed Kakuzu’s long and wide range techniques, how they might be employed in deflecting and penetrating sand, how his flight ability would increase the reach of his attacks and leave his enemy with literally no place to hide. How his threads can even burrow into the earth for a devastating surprise attack, how his Fire mask can work in conjunction with the Wind to the effect of generating pure devastation and you well portrayed the degree of piercing power imbued in the lightning spears of Gian.
As for the Second Mizukage, you depicted his every known move with great skill. The water bullets ability to pierce Sasori’s core, the Mirage genjutsu’s distortion of reality, the immunity to poison granted by the Mizukage’s liquid configuration. Truly impressive indeed. I think you should also be commended for your initiative by not allowing the Mizukage take on Gaara, who has defeated the water user in the past.
Your argument could be faulted in some ways however, and now I would endeavor to enlighten you. Firstly, While Kakuzu’s Gian is a high level Lightning attack, equal to two S-Ranked Raikiri in power, Gaara’s sand is also a very potent defense, to the extent that it has been dubbed the Ultimate Defense. There is no assurance that Gian would pierce every degree of sand. His sand has undoubtedly come a long way since his genin days, I don’t suppose you think a 12 twelve year old Sasuke can just run up to him armed with a Chidori and have any chance of success, do you?
It was never explicitly stated that lightning in the weakness of Gaara’s sand. It’s an assumption based on something that happened when Gaara was a genin. Even when Sasuke managed to achieved this feat, he could only get so far as to wound Gaara’s shoulder after piercing the sand. Orochimaru called Kimimaro’s spear the ultimate blade, and he knows Kakashi has Raikiri. So it the eyes of the aged and experienced Sannin, Kimimaro’s blade is the strongest. And yet it was shattered by Gaara’s sand after only piercing a small distance. Also, Gaara’s sand, like your opponent pointed out, could resist one Susanoo sword and then still protect Gaara from about five. This is weakened Gaara and it wasn’t even all his sand.
You are also forgetting that Gaara’s sand has resisted the lightning empowered attack that the Fourth Raikage was about to deliver on Sasuke, while at the same time resisting the Uchiha’s Blaze Release. If you have a knowledge of science, you’d know that lightning has a very high temperature which is its main power(it strikes a tree and the trees bursts into flames). Amaterasu’s temperature is such that it easily burned through A’s lightning armor( a feat Sasuke’s lightning technique Chidori could only just manage to accomplish) and yet it failed to burn through Gaara’s sand at all. All this should tell you just how resistant Gaara’s sand is to heat and piercing power.
Also, you surmised that that the Iron Sand would be unable to render Jouki boy immobile. The only quality required for stopping Jouki boy is to over lay it with a material much denser than it. Gaara can use the Iron Sand of the Kazekage. As for the heat factor, yes, it is a good conductor of heat but that was actually a plus for Gaara as the gold conducted the heat away from the Jouki boy, allowing the hail to cool it. It is the exact same scenario(I think this was mentioned in the manga). You said Gaara would be too busy with Kakuzu to locate the clam, neglecting that Gaara was actually busy with the Mizukage when he located the clam in the manga and still had the presence of mind to save Onoki from certain death via a sand clone.
Sasori of the Red Sand, your posts were great. Very little in the way of fallacy and assumption. You rendered the Mirage genjutsu and the Infinite Explosions Technique futile by correlating your argument with the manga canon. You defended Gaara’s sand astutely from the assumption of a lightning weakness. You showed great creativity and ingenuity in mixing Iron Sand with sand for increased defensive power. You showed how Iron Sand alone is capable of capturing and killing the rather elusive Mizukage via suffocation. I could go on and on, but I believe I have suffered the spectators and debaters enough with the lengthy post, so I shall conclude by simply saying, Sasori of the Red Sand wins! ^_^
I was expecting to lose. No biggie. Team #1 countered everything I had to offer so I had to try my best (I felt as if The 2nd Mizukage was my downfall seeing as I couldn't really use him well due to his limited arsenal, and Sasori's Iron which I anticipated from the start as a hard counter)
All in all I feel The 2nd Mizukage was the weak link, and could have been substituted for a different character. But it is what it is. Congrats my bro SOTRS.
All in all I feel The 2nd Mizukage was the weak link, and could have been substituted for a different character. But it is what it is. Congrats my bro SOTRS.
Since this was a rather short debate and Solo and Uzumaki16 summed it up well, I'll just reiterate.
Things I liked about DrProof's argument:
Things I disliked:
Things I liked about DrProof's argument:
- You utilized Kakuzu's abilities to their fullest capabilities (combination of Futon and Katon; Kakuzu's threads going underground, etc.) as expected of you.
- I felt you showed overall good teamwork with Kakuzu and the Mizukage. At least, in comparison to SOTRS.
Things I disliked:
- You put too much faith into Kakuzu's Raiton when I felt that SOTRS had successfully countered. Your assessment about how Gaara's sand, when you got down to it, was made out of rocks was commendable. Unfortunately, the assessment was trumped by Gaara's feats of withstanding A's Raiton and Sasuke's Enton.
- I felt that it really hurt you when you failed to address Iron Sand combination with Gaara's.
- In my opinion, you successfully countered DrProof's assertions about Kakuzu's Futon/Katon. You pointed out that Gaara's sand had withstood attacks from Madara's Susano'o sword which was somewhat relative to wind itself. Pretty good.
- Your counters for Kakuzu's Raiton attacks were very good. I personally liked how you combined Iron Sand with Gaara's to reinforce it. Honestly, its something I hadn't previously thought about.
- You used Iron Sand as a way for him to capture Joki Boy. Something else you had successfully countered DP on.
- Even though Gaara was your main factor here, you could have utilized some more of his techniqes. Same goes for Sasori.
Anways, my vote goes to SOTRS. He successfully countered DrProof's main points for the most part. But, he didn't win by much in my book.
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SasoriOfTheRedSaand
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Np bro. It is, what it is. GL later on in the tourney.
Negative Knight
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Ah since SOTRS already has the majority vote (regardless of who I choose), I guess he can be declared the winner of this match-up. Most if not all of what I was going to say has been said and so I won't bother making a judgement for this match up
Great debate from the both of you and good luck to Sasori in the next round
Great debate from the both of you and good luck to Sasori in the next round