Obito is faster than Naruto

[Bronze]

Doesn't matter what he blocked from a clone, because Shadow clones work on equal chakra distribution anyway. The fact remains that he charged at Madara and he deflected his attack or a clone's attack. It doesn't prove at all that he wasn't used his max speed, unless you have proof for this? Now before you use reverse psychology on me, remember my battlefield, urgency, threat, and all the world 'hanging in the balance' points. There was no reason for Naruto - err clone - not to use his max speed.

P.s: Might continue this tomorrow, if I get a breather from exam prep.

you can see naruto jumping and coming down from the air and coming down, thats not maximum speed unless you suggest naruto fly.

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[Midday]

Doesn't matter what he blocked from a clone, because Shadow clones work on equal chakra distribution anyway. The fact remains that he charged at Madara and he deflected his attack or a clones attack. It doesn't prove at all that he wasn't used his max speed, unless yo have proof for this? Now before you use reverse psychology on me, rememebr the battlefield, urgency, threat, and all the world 'hanging in the balance' point. There was no reason for Naruto - err clone - not to use his max speed.

Might continue this tomorrow, if I get a breather from exam prep.

I know the clone doesn't matter it's just what happened. Madara blocked Naruto not at his max speed, and? It's not that special as you've already shown.

I didn't quite get your wording but if you're asking for proof Naruto isn't using his top speed just compare the two pictures one is of him falling the other would have that flash effect that shows speed.

The whole war point thing is moot, I haven't even mentioned it because there's obviously going to be plot restrictions there, just like Madara sitting on his arse right now. It's just not relevant when it comes to proving that those 3 Uchiha you mentioned can keep up with Naruto's top speed which has only been the case for Obito.

Don't continue i'm going to sleep.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

We cant really know that. Manga hints however that naruto reacted in time.
Obito barely materialized his head and naruto had exclamation marks above, which hint that he realized obito was there.
Kakashi has given him a warning just panel b4 too.

Weren't you just saying kakashi had to warn him in order for him to react?The warning kakashi gave was after not before obito's partial (at that point in time it could have been full) materialization.
Anyways there is nothing stating that obito can't while moving. The only rule is that he has to be solid.

At longer distances since obito goes by space time rules he beats out naruto.
Naruto is faster than obito if he can make it from A to B before obito can at point A dematerialize and rematerialize at point B.
Simple math really.
Naruto>(is faster than) Obito if d(distance)<(less than)obito's materialization speed x 2

Edit: i messed up the equation but u get the point.

 

[Draphsin]

Weren't you just saying kakashi had to warn him in order for him to react?The warning kakashi gave was after not before obito's partial (at that point in time it could have been full) materialization.
Anyways there is nothing stating that obito can't while moving. The only rule is that he has to be solid.

At longer distances since obito goes by space time rules he beats out naruto.
Naruto is faster than obito if he can make it from A to B before obito can at point A dematerialize and rematerialize at point B.
Simple math really.
Naruto>(is faster than) Obito if d(distance)<(less than)obito's materialization speed x 2

You're not taking into account obito's intangibility, which is speed.

Obito's reaction time is leagues above naruto's & the fact that obito can transport body parts to his dimension nearly instantly proves that he has better overall speed.

Obito was praised to be able to move at the speed of light, his short term distance is nothing to be scoffed at either, did you not see my examples of obito activating kamui before danzo can even swing a sword?

He also warped sasuke out of jinton, another amazing speed feat that trumps naruto's short term distance.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Weren't you just saying kakashi had to warn him in order for him to react?The warning kakashi gave was after not before obito's partial (at that point in time it could have been full) materialization.
Anyways there is nothing stating that obito can't while moving. The only rule is that he has to be solid.

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Why are u making stuff here. The scan was used in this very same thread.
Kakashi gives warning. We see materialized head and exclamation marks of naruto. My only doubt was if exclamations were due to warning alone or sensing or hearing sound effect also. With this said...Naruto had warning on attack and obito not yet on the move.

 

[Retsu]

you can't compare a S/T user to normal speed.

this right here, of course he's faster, he breaks the rules of space and time.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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Why are u making stuff here. The scan was used in this very same thread.
Kakashi gives warning. We see materialized head and exclamation marks of naruto. My only doubt was if exclamations were due to warning alone or sensing or hearing sound effect also. With this said...Naruto had warning on attack and obito not yet on the move.

ahh. u are correct. Kakashi warned before naruto sensed. What about my equation though? Its viable.

 

[Draphsin]

this right here, of course he's faster, he breaks the rules of space and time.

Thats my point, but this is how people's top 5 fastest character list goes:

Minato
Naruto
Obito
ect...

Now why on earth is an s/t user 1st while the other s/t user is 3rd? makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Draphsin]

People still dont get it, look:

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Obito was going to warp to sasuke & save his life. Take into account the distance. Now if we go by obito's rule of kamui where he has to be tangible in order to warp someone then that means that obito was planning to warp to sasuke, go tangible, warp sasuke, & warp away.

Another example? okay then:

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Now this is the most underrated speed feat on the base. Obito warped to sasuke, became tangible, warped him away, & warped himself away, all while the jutsu was active.

These speed feats should stomp out any denial that obito can warp at the speed of light.

 

[AlphaScythian]

ahh. u are correct. Kakashi warned before naruto sensed. What about my equation though? Its viable.

Ur equation makes no sense . However obito's warping speed is such that he can save sasuke from jinton. Is such that he only starts saving sasuke from danzou when the sword is 2cm away from the neck. I really dont see naruto catching the moment. Rather kakashi stabs his eye then naruto hits obito on his own.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You're not taking into account obito's intangibility, which is speed.

Obito's reaction time is leagues above naruto's & the fact that obito can transport body parts to his dimension nearly instantly proves that he has better overall speed.

Obito was praised to be able to move at the speed of light, his short term distance is nothing to be scoffed at either, did you not see my examples of obito activating kamui before danzo can even swing a sword?

He also warped sasuke out of jinton, another amazing speed feat that trumps naruto's short term distance.

I'm not taking reaction time and obito's pocket dimension into account because
A) We don't know how far the dimension is from whatever obito's current location is
B) Sharingan helps with reaction time giving those who are slower than their opponent a leg up and a way to bridge the gap.

As for the equation itself.
Obito's materialization speed is constant. Proven by Konan.
Naruto's speed is constant.(not taking into account acceleration/deceleration since we don't have an exact number for naruto's speed)

Example:
If naruto's top speed is 60mph and it takes obito 1 minute to materialize/dematerialize
If the distance is less than 2 miles naruto will make it there first.
(just random figures)

 

[AlphaScythian]

Obito's materialization speed is constant. Proven by Konan.

Excuse me. Where was it proved? When in fact in minato fight, obito said he will warp him faster next time.

Example:
If naruto's top speed is 60mph and it takes obito 1 minute to materialize/dematerialize
If the distance is less than 2 miles naruto will make it there first.
(just random figures)

Mathematical laws are random as well? XD XD XD XD

 

[BigBlade Master]

I agree 100%

 

[Draphsin]

I'm not taking reaction time and obito's pocket dimension into account because
A) We don't know how far the dimension is from whatever obito's current location is

Then you cant take into account minato's kunai because minato travels the exact same distance that obito warpes his body parts. How far the parts move is irrelevant because its still moving almost instantly

B) Sharingan helps with reaction time giving those who are slower than their opponent a leg up and a way to bridge the gap.

That doesnt change the fact that sasuke is extremely fast but will still be unable to keep up to faster ninja such as A.

Going by the manga, minato's reaction time is better than a sharingan's. Proven during his fight with obito which was labelled a battle of speed, sharingan is irrelevant in obito's overall speed.

As for the equation itself.
Obito's materialization speed is constant. Proven by Konan.
Naruto's speed is constant.(not taking into account acceleration/deceleration since we don't have an exact number for naruto's speed)

Example:
If naruto's top speed is 60mph and it takes obito 1 minute to materialize/dematerialize
If the distance is less than 2 miles naruto will make it there first.
(just random figures)

Equation makes no sense, obito was able to warp in & out of jinton which is much faster than 1 minute.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Ur equation makes no sense . However obito's warping speed is such that he can save sasuke from jinton. Is such that he only starts saving sasuke from danzou when the sword is 2cm away from the neck. I really dont see naruto catching the moment. Rather kakashi stabs his eye then naruto hits obito on his own.

Idk how to rewrite it Since obito is strictly time yet naruto is distance/time. Obito will clear any distance in a set amount of time(materialization speed x 2) but the distance naruto can clear is strictly based off time.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Idk how to rewrite it Since obito is strictly time yet naruto is distance/time. Obito will clear any distance in a set amount of time(materialization speed x 2) but the distance naruto can clear is strictly based off time.

Obito kamui T < Naruto D/S
T: time
D: distance
S: speed

 

[Retsu]

Thats my point, but this is how people's top 5 fastest character list goes:

Minato
Naruto
Obito
ect...

Now why on earth is an s/t user 1st while the other s/t user is 3rd? makes absolutely no sense.

tbh his teleportation overall speed is poor compared to minatos and is only impressive when traversing long distances, otherwise he'd have an OP speedblitz like minato, not to say he isn't fast, but in a given area his port is kind of slow, it's only because kamui is so forgiving for the user that they don't need to depend on speed, but he's not faster than naruto, at least when talking about raw speed.

I know he did teleport sasuke out of the jinton cube, but he doesn't display such rapid teleportation all the time and it's comparable to how naruto dodged raikage, but still has trouble with ppl slower than him.

 

[AlphaScythian]

tbh his teleportation overall speed is poor compared to minatos and is only impressive when traversing long distances, otherwise he'd have an OP speedblitz like minato, not to say he isn't fast, but in a given area his port is kind of slow, it's only because kamui is so forgiving for the user that they don't need to depend on speed, but he's not faster than naruto, at least when talking about raw speed.

I know he did teleport sasuke out of the jinton cube, but he doesn't display such rapid teleportation all the time and it's comparable to how naruto dodged raikage, but still has trouble with ppl slower than him.

So getting into room comprised of kages and jonins, warping sasuke completely out w/o any1 even noticing, including karin one of best sensors. This feat doesn't allow u to stab kage lvl like a fodder? Biased or brain damaged?

 

[Draphsin]

tbh his teleportation overall speed is poor compared to minatos and is only impressive when traversing long distances, otherwise he'd have an OP speedblitz like minato, not to say he isn't fast, but in a given area his port is kind of slow, it's only because kamui is so forgiving for the user that they don't need to depend on speed, but he's not faster than naruto, at least when talking about raw speed.

I know he did teleport sasuke out of the jinton cube, but he doesn't display such rapid teleportation all the time and it's comparable to how naruto dodged raikage, but still has trouble with ppl slower than him.

@Bold: Yes I know that but naruto has only displayed 1 amazing speed feat, yet he's #2 on most people's lists. Im making a comparison between naruto's best speed feat & obito's multiple speed feats.

I know he's slower than minato but not much slower, he can travel at the speed of light after all.

 

[Thundercles]

Minato was able to be faster than Obito with just his FTG. Naruto is near as fast. I highly doubt Obito can match that.