Minato isn't beating either Raikage
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blackstar9
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the reason i dont think minato could damage ay is because of his feats . Ay basically had a conversation while ametarasu was sitting on his arm . laughed at sasuke chidori , not affected by mubui transfer technique tanked a couple lariots etc
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chidori and kusanagi lightning sword couldnt do shit so how can rasengan?
A's hand can be sharpened into a blade that cuts that shit easy
in the VIZ he said he thought a finer shinobi didnt exist. which is similar to when hashi said itachis a better shinobi. has nothing to do with physical prowess.
also if he considered minaot his equal then that means he cant surpass him either
all s/t barrier does is send someone to where minato has placed his other kunai. if A is teleported away he COMES RIGHT BACK
in a neutral vs match, the battlefield is a regular grassy battlefield not a volcano unless otherwise stated
so only gaara's sand hurts gaara's sand? so only sasukes susano arrow hurts his susano? no one would logically conclude this. minato doesnt know that the shield is considered legendary for being able to take anything. all he knows is his measly attacks arent doing jackshit
blackstar9
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I agree i dont think he can outlast the raikage nor hurt them . But i dont see either raikage catching him either . Even if minato is dead tired he can always get the hell outta dodge as long as he has a kunai . Thats why i say its a draw
Well the 4th Raikage came up with the strategy to use his speed to reach whichever kunai Minato teleported to.. if that doesn't work he can simply get all the kunais and try to destroy them. Idk if the 3rd come up with the same strategy but he fought three days and nights and I think Minato would be so exhausted and tired he wouldnt be able to teleport
blackstar9
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I get your point bout minato being exhausted . But minato has shown the ability to travel a distance in an instant . By the way im a fan of minato and both raikage
I agree with the general message, just not the every point.
Other than that I agee with you. I don't see anything that has proven to be able to damage A in Minato's arsenal. And I'm a firm believer that if you can't hurt someone, then you can't beat them.
This opinion of yours is pretty baseless. Naruto noticed the scar first, which is what made him question the validity of Rakaige's armor being invinsible. Then after being told the scar came from an altercation with the 8-tails, his first assumption was, as you said, logically was the 8-tails gave him that scar some how, which is why he proceeded to ask the 8-tails to remember how he ended up hurting the 3rd Raikage. You make it seem as if Naruto's first thought was that Raikage gave the scar to himself, when we both know that wasn't nearly the case.
Minato was said to be a genius unlike any other, so why do you feel as if Minato would not have picked up on the exact same thing? Chances are he wouldv'e picked up on it sooner than Naruto did. Also, since he was older, a Hokage, and had many battles with A, he probably had some intel even on the 3rd Raikage and his lightning spear. So this idea that there's no way Minato would've picked up on something that Naruto picked up on (who is pretty much of lesser intelligence) is very strange.
Minato was said to be a genius unlike any other, so why do you feel as if Minato would not have picked up on the exact same thing? Chances are he wouldv'e picked up on it sooner than Naruto did. Also, since he was older, a Hokage, and had many battles with A, he probably had some intel even on the 3rd Raikage and his lightning spear. So this idea that there's no way Minato would've picked up on something that Naruto picked up on (who is pretty much of lesser intelligence) is very strange.
This I can't agree with fully either. In the one altercation that we saw between Minato and Raikage, Minato didn't even try to use Rasengan. Also, while using chakra can take a toll on you, we don't know the capacity of Minato's chakra reserves. We have only seen ONE instance where Minato seemed to struggle with chakra while using FTG, and that was when he had to teleport the fox and the TBB at the same time, both very large objects. He wouldn't have to teleport anything that was anywhere near that size, so while he will eventually tire out, since we've never seen him actually look fatigued from using FTG just on himself, we can't say for sure that he'll tire out in a quick enough time to not end the battle.
Also, you could just as easily say the same thing for A, since his lighting armor uses chakra too. In addition to that, FTG is S/T jutsu, and Minato doesn't physically use stamina to move from point A to point B since he's teleporting. Raikage literally has to move the entire distance, which is a lot more tiring since he's using both chakra and physical stamina. so the "tiring out" argument is very difficult to isolate for just one of them. In fact, it does more to hurt A than Minato.
Also, you could just as easily say the same thing for A, since his lighting armor uses chakra too. In addition to that, FTG is S/T jutsu, and Minato doesn't physically use stamina to move from point A to point B since he's teleporting. Raikage literally has to move the entire distance, which is a lot more tiring since he's using both chakra and physical stamina. so the "tiring out" argument is very difficult to isolate for just one of them. In fact, it does more to hurt A than Minato.
I've never seen anyone get a "Rasengan scar" so I don't see how that proves that he can't be damaged by it. He indeed managed to survive Mabui's teleportation, but in that same instance it was also stated clearly that prior to that he wasn't able to, which leads me to the conclusion that not only was that a plot move, but he wasn't always that durable. Also I wouldn't expect lightning enhacned attacks nor chidori to be able to pierce lightning armor. That's like saying fire beats fire in my opinion. And Bee's lariot was never said to be more powerful than a Rasengan that I know of. Afterall it's just a glorified closeline. Plus the lariot actually worked on A the very last time Bee used it.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't think a rasengan is going to do much if any damage to him either, I just don't think that any of the above proves that it can't if used repeatedly. If anything, the fact that amaterasu was able to damage him, as well as the fact that we last saw him lying on the battlefield bleeding to death at the hands of Madara, proves that his lightning armor and body are both limited in durability. So who's to say that eventually they won't wear down? A is tough, but he's not like his father. And we've seen Minato catch Raikage off guard and nearly attack him with just a kunai. Not saying it would've done damage, but it would've hit him had it not been for Bee. If that were a Rasengan, and Minato were to continuely use this, and say concentrated his assaults on one particular spot on Raikage's body, it's possible that eventually he would create a weak point. But that's portion was merely an opinion so don't take it for too much.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't think a rasengan is going to do much if any damage to him either, I just don't think that any of the above proves that it can't if used repeatedly. If anything, the fact that amaterasu was able to damage him, as well as the fact that we last saw him lying on the battlefield bleeding to death at the hands of Madara, proves that his lightning armor and body are both limited in durability. So who's to say that eventually they won't wear down? A is tough, but he's not like his father. And we've seen Minato catch Raikage off guard and nearly attack him with just a kunai. Not saying it would've done damage, but it would've hit him had it not been for Bee. If that were a Rasengan, and Minato were to continuely use this, and say concentrated his assaults on one particular spot on Raikage's body, it's possible that eventually he would create a weak point. But that's portion was merely an opinion so don't take it for too much.
Other than that I agee with you. I don't see anything that has proven to be able to damage A in Minato's arsenal. And I'm a firm believer that if you can't hurt someone, then you can't beat them.
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I wasn't going to call you a fanboy lol so its ok but the thing I'm saying there's going to be a point in time Minato won't be able to keep going on he'll be so exhausted may pass out or fall asleep... Idk man
blackstar9
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yeah minato would notice the scar . but to say that minato would guess that the 3rd raikage gave himself the scar without talking to the 8 tails is a lil far fetched . Naruto didnt know until 8 tails told him
blackstar9
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you made some good points ! in the end were all just speculating . If it hasnt been shown in the manga its hard to claim something as fact . But we are all naruto fans so we do it anyway lol
USSJ Future Trunks
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he was told that raikages armour was supposed ot be unbeatable, evidence of this being FRS failing. which led him to assume that something happened that caused the injury. he thought about the hell stab which was ultimate spear. but minato would never come to that conclusion. he doesnt think raikages invincible, just tough enough to beat his comparatively weak offence. same thing happened with lee and sasuke. lee was powerless vs gaara's ultimate shield. sasuke didnt think "gee i guess only his own sand can hurt him then". he just upped the ante and learnt chidori which turned out to be powerful enough to pierce it. despite being given no reason to believe that it would work for sure.
i know it wasnt meaning minato's isnt either
raikage has bijuu level chakra according to karin...he wouldnt get tired vs the likes of minato
i know its limited. but the fact of the matter is A was exhausted at that time and had likely let down his armour prompting madara to cut him with susano. susano sword > rasengan wouldnt you say? all the kages were out of chakra or close to it. A wouldnt exert hismelf nearly as much vs minato
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blackstar9
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bogard is one of the biggest minato fans on the base. Im not sure he wouldnt be biased . But i could be wrong
Naruto thought about the hell stab at the VERY last instant. His first and remaining thought for awhile was that hachibi did something to damage him. Also you yourself said in your thread that Minato knew the 3rd Raikage. So why do you feel that he wouldn't have had intel on both his "invinsible" body and hell stab when that was pretty much what the 3rd Raikage was known for? That's a contradiction in my opinion. Besides Minato doesn't have to know before hand that his body is invinsible. Once Minato realizes nothing in his arsenal is working, he will surely seek other ways to do damage. And as we saw, Raikage likes to use hell stab in his battles. Naruto wasn't told that hell stab is what hurt Raikage, so why would Minato, who is even smarter than Naruto have to be told this? I'm not saying Minato will definitely come to this conclusion, but you are saying that it's impossible for him to and that my friend is just strange.
This makes absolutely no sense and in no way does anything to support your argument. You just said it yourself, without any reason to believe it would work, Sasuke still came up with a solution that worked. So by your logic, even if Minato has no reason to believe that using Rasengan to redirect hell stab will work, there's still a chance he would try it anyway. That was just a terrible example.
Chakra and stamina are not the same thing. Saying he has high chakra reserves doesn't mean he won't physically tire out from having to literally move his entire body and weight from point A to point B everytime he moves. Minato doesn't have this problem because he is teleporting. And again, we don't know the extent of Minato's chakra reserves. And we've never seen him low on chakra after only teleporting himself
This adds to my point earlier about A running out of stamina, despite his chakra reserves. As for the next bolds, we don't know what caused him damage, but we know that once his ligtning armor was let down, he became vulnerable, thus adding to the idea that once his lightning armor is gone, Rasengan could possible damage him. And before you say "he wouldn't tire out from the likes of Minato" (which sounds like a hater comment honestly) remember he hasn't been shown to be able to touch Minato. Chasing Minato around AND making sure he doesn't get caught off guard like he did the last time they met will surely tire him out.
I could be wrong but I don't remember hachibi telling Naruto that Raikage gave himself the scar. He figured that out on his own. While he indeed had the assistance of the story to give him a clue, he was in no way led to that conclusion. It was purely genius of him to think of that. So why would Minato not think of this? If your weapons aren't working against the enemy or you are running low on them, it's actually a natrual progression in warfare logic to try and take and use the enemies weapons against them. Minato being a lot smarter and also more experienced in both battle and war surely would've been capable of coming to the conclusion regardless of any assistance from hachibi. Plus OP said himeslf that Minato knew Raikgage. So the chance he didn't know about the two things that Raikage was known for most is slim to none
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blackstar9
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no 8 tails told naruto they both collasped with jutsu active . Thats how he figured it out ! last i checked minato cant talk to 8 tails . Nor does minato have sage mode to predict exact time to make raikage hit himself . Saying minato would just figure it out wothout talking to 8 tails ... i doubt it
NarutoKage2
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Wtf is this lol. The raikage already stated that he thought minato could never be surpassed, and the 4th was trained by/knew the 3rd.
Both of these raikages get beat pretty easily. To suggest someone who has countered kamui after seeing it once, even when naruto,kakashi guy nd bee couldnt do shit wouldnt notice the 3rd raikages scar is nothing more than trolling. The 3rd raikage gets killed in a similar way he lost to naruto, lack of sm perception is overcome by minatos sensor abilities. Have you forgotten that minato sensed naruto and the kyuubis chakra w.o needing to use any tech?
After he stabs himself, a 4 symbols seal finishes the 3rd off. As for Ay, we already saw how minato lands a hit on him. If he really wanted to go for the kill, which i dont believe he did, minato can use his kunai( which could cut the hachibis tentacle clean) to slit his throat, ofc it would have to be used after a rasengan to soften up the raiton armor first. A simple task, minato can place his ftg seal on Ays body in an instantaneous moment of impact.
Both of these raikages get beat pretty easily. To suggest someone who has countered kamui after seeing it once, even when naruto,kakashi guy nd bee couldnt do shit wouldnt notice the 3rd raikages scar is nothing more than trolling. The 3rd raikage gets killed in a similar way he lost to naruto, lack of sm perception is overcome by minatos sensor abilities. Have you forgotten that minato sensed naruto and the kyuubis chakra w.o needing to use any tech?
After he stabs himself, a 4 symbols seal finishes the 3rd off. As for Ay, we already saw how minato lands a hit on him. If he really wanted to go for the kill, which i dont believe he did, minato can use his kunai( which could cut the hachibis tentacle clean) to slit his throat, ofc it would have to be used after a rasengan to soften up the raiton armor first. A simple task, minato can place his ftg seal on Ays body in an instantaneous moment of impact.
So the 3rd Raikage is the strongest character?
because that's not apply to Minato alone, you know?
all the other characters can't harm him with their jutsus as well. Therefore the 3rd > Madara, Hashirama, Kabuto
and so on?
because that's not apply to Minato alone, you know?
all the other characters can't harm him with their jutsus as well. Therefore the 3rd > Madara, Hashirama, Kabuto
and so on?
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