Misconception: Obito never used MS genjutsu to control the kyuubi

[NarutoKage2]

A lot of people seem to think this, but its clearly false. Well, for starters we all know that the mangekyuo does let you cast genjutsu and control the 9 tails, but Obito had only 1 eye and it would require a lot of chakra. Moreover, the manner in which this 'control' took place was distinct from the other time the kyuubi was controlled by Madara. In the battle of the vote, madara was continuously controlling the kyuubi's every movement, he never left the kyuubi and when he did, it was no longer under his control:

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In that fight, Madara used his mangekyuo(EMS) to directly control the kyuubi. Obito on the other hand left the Kyyubi, to go and fight with Minato. He was'nt directly controlling every single movement, more of a general control and oversight.

But what tech did Obito use?

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As we all know, Obito has senju hashirama's cells imbedded in teh left half of his body, so he used this technique. As the combined powers of Hashirama and Uchiha were not available to Madara, he used the Mangekyuo genjutsu to achieve control of the Kyuubi.

 

[sandy uzumaki]

But I'm pretty sure I saw Kyuubi being controlled before Minato Rasengan'd Obito/Masked man's a** !!

 

[NarutoKage2]

But I'm pretty sure I saw Kyuubi being controlled before Minato Rasengan'd Obito/Masked man's a** !!

Well we know his vortex is an ability from the MS, because of kakashi. However, Madara said that Obito fazed into his underground layer by mistake (I call bull on this) but if that is true.... then he could use the vortex before he activated the MS.

Read the mothaf*cking thread before posting, noobs.

 

[sandy uzumaki]

Oops... My bad !! !! ok... fact accepted... end of thread !!

 

[Misconception]

I seen my name and a 3Tomoe...

 

[NarutoKage2]

Oops... My bad !! !! ok... fact accepted... end of thread !!

I forgive you.

I seen my name and a 3Tomoe...

What??Oh, i c.

 

[Phoenix110]

:devil: I kinda already knew that but for those who don't now you know

 

[Biozim]

Agreed.

Both he and Sasuke used a basic Sharingan genjutsu to hypnotise both Manda and Kurama.

 

[KidGamer65]

Uh, no. There is no difference between what Madara did and what Obito did. It requiring a lot chakra doesn't really matter since Obito has a buttload of it already, being able to control 6 Bijuu at once.

Obito was controlling the Kyuubi's every move, until he decided to go fight with Minato.

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The Kyuubi was freed from Madara's control by Hashirama, not because he left it.

Also, Obito was shown using Sharingan Genjutsu.

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The same way Madara did.

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[NoMoreLove]

Uh, no. There is no difference between what Madara did and what Obito did. It requiring a lot chakra doesn't really matter since Obito has a buttload of it already, being able to control 6 Bijuu at once.

Obito was controlling the Kyuubi's every move, until he decided to go fight with Minato.

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The Kyuubi was freed from Madara's control by Hashirama, not because he left it.

Also, Obito was shown using Sharingan Genjutsu.

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The same way Madara did.

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this ^
OP: why're u cursing people... lol

 

[NarutoKage2]

Uh, no. There is no difference between what Madara did and what Obito did. It requiring a lot chakra doesn't really matter since Obito has a buttload of it already, being able to control 6 Bijuu at once.

Obito was controlling the Kyuubi's every move, until he decided to go fight with Minato.

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The Kyuubi was freed from Madara's control by Hashirama, not because he left it.

Also, Obito was shown using Sharingan Genjutsu.

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The same way Madara did.

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The bolded is the key. How was he controlling the kyuubi(every movement) while actively fighting minato at another location? Its completely different to what Madara did. Also, Minato made him lose control of kurama by placing a contract seal on his body.

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What did this contract seal do? Did it make Obito lose his mangekyuo ability? (since the only other way to control the Kyuubi apart from the hashi+uchiha dna is to use the mangekyuo?)
Obito uses his mangekyuo immediately after getting hit by the seal:

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So it could'nt have been that.
Did minato go to the kyuubi and disrupt its chakra ? How did the kyuubi get out of genjutsu? Unless you're stating that minato's contract seal can stop someone from casting genjutsu/cancel the effects of genjutsu on anyone that person has cast?

 

[AlphaScythian]

Madara did not use ems to control kurama.

Even sasuke with his 3t displayed such feat.
Powerful users and 3t is all that needed

Apparently u cannot hold summons indefinitely, which leads me to believe u pay some chakra over time. Canceling contract seal would disrupt that.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Madara did not use ems to control kurama.

Even sasuke with his 3t displayed suck feat.
Powerful users and 3t is all that needed

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ONLY the mangekyuo or the hashi plus uchiha dna(hashirama's powers as well) can control the kyuubi, its a huge feat that few have ever achieved, gtfo:

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Suppressing the kyuubi's chakra is not the same as controlling it.

 

[End of Days]

never thought about that, it does seem strange that obito thinks that just by having sharingan and senju dna danzo can control the kyuubi

 

[KidGamer65]

The bolded is the key. How was he controlling the kyuubi(every movement) while actively fighting minato at another location? Its completely different to what Madara did. Also, Minato made him lose control of kurama by placing a contract seal on his body.

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What did this contract seal do? Did it make Obito lose his mangekyuo ability? (since the only other way to control the Kyuubi apart from the hashi+uchiha dna is to use the mangekyuo?)
Obito uses his mangekyuo immediately after getting hit by the seal:

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So it could'nt have been that.
Did minato go to the kyuubi and disrupt its chakra ? How did the kyuubi get out of genjutsu? Unless you're stating that minato's contract seal can stop someone from casting genjutsu/cancel the effects of genjutsu on anyone that person has cast?

Before left to fight Minato he instructed Kurama to attack and destroy the village.

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Contract Seal makes you lose any direct control over a summoning you have.

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Sharingan was his method of direct control so Contract Seal removed it.

 

[AlphaScythian]

ONLY the mangekyuo or the hashi plus uchiha dna(hashirama's powers as well) can control the kyuubi, its a huge feat that few have ever achieved, gtfo:

Suppressing the kyuubi's chakra is not the same as controlling it.

GTFO urself. Madara used 3t to tame kyuubi, so did obito. Sasuke suppressed kyuubi? Sasuke has no suppressing anything feats, neither does sharingan. Its like when he tells juugo to calm down. Kurama was suppressed due to visual prowess of sasuke which can be no other then genjutsu or hypnotic induction in this case.
Manga feats > manga statements.

 

[NarutoKage2]

never thought about that, it does seem strange that obito thinks that just by having sharingan and senju dna danzo can control the kyuubi

Exactly!!!

Its also important to note that it was obito who said that, he might have been remembering how he had controlled the kyuubi himself.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Before left to fight Minato he instructed Kurama to attack and destroy the village.

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Contract Seal makes you lose any direct control over a summoning you have.

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Sharingan was his method of direct control so Contract Seal removed it.

Lol using naruto wiki? Thats fan made and doesnt count.

Yeah he instructed kyuubi, but the method of obitos control wasnt the ms.

GTFO urself. Madara used 3t to tame kyuubi, so did obito. Sasuke suppressed kyuubi? Sasuke has no suppressing anything feats, neither does sharingan. Its like when he tells juugo to calm down. Kurama was suppressed due to visual prowess of sasuke which can be no other then genjutsu or hypnotic induction in this case.
Manga feats > manga statements.

Keep being in denial, you're post reeks of butt hurt sasuke fanboyism.=D

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol using naruto wiki? Thats fan made and doesnt count.

Yeah he instructed kyuubi, but the method of obitos control wasnt the ms.

Keep being in denial, you're post reeks of butt hurt sasuke fanboyism.=D

When you can tell me what part of Contract Seals description was false then you can use the common "Narutowiki is fanmade" excuse, despite everything in there coming from the manga.

No, it was via his Sharingan, there is nothing that implies otherwise.

 

[NarutoKage2]

When you can tell me what part of Contract Seals description was false then you can use the common "Narutowiki is fanmade" excuse, despite everything in there coming from the manga.

No, it was via his Sharingan, there is nothing that implies otherwise.

tbh i didnt even click on the link, you want to give feats to the contract seal, then YOU go and use manga scans for proof, otherwise its invalid.

I disagree, its crystal clear that a mere sharingan on its own cannot achieve all that.