Cant Deny Manga.. MS sasuke>SM naruto

[KidGamer65]

1.Amaterasu can reach it's target instantaneously, but it has activation time before it does that's noticeable. How else did A dodge it? Plus, what's the odds that he'll hit the real Naruto out of 2000 clones with it considering how tricky with them he is?

Amaterasu isn't instant, it just spawns where Sasuke looks, if you are fast enough to escape the Sharingan users vision then you can dodge it. V2 A was able to do this. SM Naruto can't.

2000 clones? Lmao, they all get one shotted by Enton projectiles leaving the real Naruto open.

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That was probably because of yata mirror. Or is Tsunade's kick stronger than Kirin? Highly unlikely. Also, they appear to have an comparable effects.

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If Yata blocked it, it would have been reflected, and Tsunade only cracked a V1 Susanoo, we are talking about a V3 Susanoo here. So thats an invalid comparison.

Comparable effects? Kirin obliterated the Uchiha Hideout, which is as big as a small Mountain. FRS knocked the Kyuubi on the ground and damaged it. FRS doesn't come close to Kirin's power.

However, Ransenshuriken doesn't just strike with force. It disintegrates its target and destroys a chakra system. Also, in case you haven't noticed, Kirin destroyed the susanoo and left Itachi in bad shape.

Kirin didn't leave Itachi in bad shape, he was barely even hurt from the attack as his Susanoo absorbed most of the damage. It doesn't matter if it was destroyed, it still blocked the impact meaning it can block something much weaker than Kirin without being destroyed.

Not to mention the Susanoo that blocked it doesn't have Yata.

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3.Did I say that he'd already have them at the start? I didn't. But what's stopping him once in sage mode?

If he doesn't have them at the start then its a useless tactic, as Sasuke can simply poof his clones, not to mention the 2000 clones nonsense you mentioned above would be impossible if he had other clones gathering Nature Energy as making more than 3 clones would interfere with the ones gathering energy.

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[Prince Charles]

SM Naruto loses to MS Sasuke anyday.

-Can't dodge Amaterasu.
-Can't destroy Susanoo.
-After 3 FRS his Sage Mode goes bye bye.

He either dies to Amaterasu once he's vulnerable or when he runs out of SM, an arrow one shots him.

lol? aww man please dont make get turnt up on you bro

 

[AlphaScythian]

2 words, pain arc.

3 words. Doesnt mean shit...

 

[KidGamer65]

lol? aww man please dont make get turnt up on you bro

Lmao, you can try, though i'm pretty sure MS Sasuke outclasses SM Naruto.

 

[Prince Charles]

Lmao, you can try, though i'm pretty sure MS Sasuke outclasses SM Naruto.

:leaf: dont worry ill post a good counter for you which perfectly explaines why sm naruto defeats ms sasuke.

 

[KidGamer65]

:leaf: dont worry ill post a good counter for you which perfectly explaines why sm naruto defeats ms sasuke.

I'll be waiting.

 

[Prince Charles]

Senjutsu (仙術; Literally meaning "Sage Techniques") refers to a specialised field of techniques that allows the user to sense and then gather the natural energy (自然エネルギー, shizen enerugī) around a person. Senjutsu practitioners can then learn to draw the energy of nature inside of them blending it with their own chakra (created from spiritual and physical energy within the shinobi), adding a new dimension of power to the sage's chakra, resulting in the creation of "senjutsu chakra" (仙術チャクラ, senjutsu chakura). This chakra cannot be seen by anyone other than those who have been trained in senjutsu.

This new chakra enables the user to enter an empowered state called Sage Mode, which can then drastically increase the strength of all ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu. A person who is able to use senjutsu is called a sage (仙人, sennin) and if one perfects sennin mode The user gains the ability to sense chakra around them.


Straight from the 3rd databook one who perfects Sm can sense chakra around them. Now its only reasonable to assume that since amaterasu is a chakra based technique naruto should be able to sense it before it comes out somewhat like nagato did.[

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now the question is can naruto body keep up? i think so, SM has already been shown to increase ones speed and reflexes and sense of danger, An example of it increasing the users speed is when naruto blitzed asura pain.[

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Sm also allows naruto to sense danger greater and faster as stated against the 3rd raikage.[

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Putting all these factors into thought i see no reason why naruto wont be able to dodge amaterasu, especially when signs give off sasuke is about to use amaterasu like the eye bleeding.

As for sasukes genjutsu i hardly see it being a problem here as seeing kurama can simply brake him out of it. Even so naruto has been shown to be capable of braking out genjutsu.[

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Regarding taijutsu they were basically equal in that department if anything SM naruto is probably stronger considering he doesnt need to land a direct hit to damage sasuke.[

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] But like i said also due to sasukes sharigan predictive capabilities it makes them basically equal in taijutsu.

As for sussano arrow i see no reason why Sm naruto wont dodge considering a tired Ms kakashi was able to react to it using his kamui?[

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Pre sasukes Ms sussano isnt much of a threat here as seeing danzo was able to crack it open with the combined efforts of his wind style vaccum blade and his baku summon.[

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I see no reason why a rasenshuriken if anything wont do equal or worse damage to sasukes sussano..

 

[BlinkST]

Straight from the 3rd databook one who perfects Sm can sense chakra around them. Now its only reasonable to assume that since amaterasu is a chakra based technique naruto should be able to sense it before it comes out somewhat like nagato did.[

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now the question is can naruto body keep up? i think so, SM has already been shown to increase ones speed and reflexes and sense of danger, An example of it increasing the users speed is when naruto blitzed asura pain.[

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For some reason, chakra sensing failed Naruto when Itachi used Amaterasu. His actions and thoughts suggest a lack of confidence and awareness on his part.

Nagato was sensing Itachi's chakra, not the direction of Amaterasu.

Putting all these factors into thought i see no reason why naruto wont be able to dodge amaterasu, especially when signs give off sasuke is about to use amaterasu like the eye bleeding.

His eye did not bleed in the latest chapter. Seems Kishimoto eliminated that.

As for sasukes genjutsu i hardly see it being a problem here as seeing kurama can simply brake him out of it. Even so naruto has been shown to be capable of braking out genjutsu.[

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I'm sure the Isobu could have also broken Yagura's genjutsu, and Kurama can break Mugen Tsukuyomi. Kurama himself is at risk for being placed under genjutsu.

This also does not solve the Tsukuyomi problem.

As for sussano arrow i see no reason why Sm naruto wont dodge considering a tired Ms kakashi was able to react to it using his kamui?[

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Bad example. Kakashi couldn't have kept that up indefinitely, and he knew he was doomed when Sasuke brought out the Yamabushi-style Susanoo.

Pre sasukes Ms sussano isnt much of a threat here as seeing danzo was able to crack it open with the combined efforts of his wind style vaccum blade and his baku summon.[

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Same story above. A Yamabushi-class Susanoo is even stronger, since it wears an additional layer of armor. That class of Susanoo has never been tested.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Straight from the 3rd databook one who perfects Sm can sense chakra around them. Now its only reasonable to assume that since amaterasu is a chakra based technique naruto should be able to sense it before it comes out somewhat like nagato did.[

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now the question is can naruto body keep up? i think so, SM has already been shown to increase ones speed and reflexes and sense of danger, An example of it increasing the users speed is when naruto blitzed asura pain.[

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Sm also allows naruto to sense danger greater and faster as stated against the 3rd raikage.[

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Putting all these factors into thought i see no reason why naruto wont be able to dodge amaterasu, especially when signs give off sasuke is about to use amaterasu like the eye bleeding.

Amaterasu itself is manifested at target and only then can be sensed. Even if naruto is aware of amaterasu prep, he lack the speed to dodge eyesight and the user can continuously spam it for awhile making it impossible to constantly escape it.

As for sasukes genjutsu i hardly see it being a problem here as seeing kurama can simply brake him out of it. Even so naruto has been shown to be capable of braking out genjutsu.[

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Attempted to brake weaker genjutsu and failed?

Regarding taijutsu they were basically equal in that department if anything SM naruto is probably stronger considering he doesnt need to land a direct hit to damage sasuke.[

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Then why bring it up?

As for sussano arrow i see no reason why Sm naruto wont dodge considering a tired Ms kakashi was able to react to it using his kamui?[

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Reacting and dodging are different words, meaning etc. Where is logic here?

Pre sasukes Ms sussano isnt much of a threat here as seeing danzo was able to crack it open with the combined efforts of his wind style vaccum blade and his baku summon.[

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I see no reason why a rasenshuriken if anything wont do equal or worse damage to sasukes sussano..

Much smaller wind blade then those multiple of danzo, has no baku's + power. Can be countered by katon...

 

[Prince Charles]

For some reason, chakra sensing failed Naruto when Itachi used Amaterasu. His actions and thoughts suggest a lack of confidence and awareness on his part.

Nagato was sensing Itachi's chakra, not the direction of Amaterasu.


His eye did not bleed in the latest chapter. Seems Kishimoto eliminated that.


I'm sure the Isobu could have also broken Yagura's genjutsu, and Kurama can break Mugen Tsukuyomi. Kurama himself is at risk for being placed under genjutsu.

This also does not solve the Tsukuyomi problem.


Bad example. Kakashi couldn't have kept that up indefinitely, and he knew he was doomed when Sasuke brought out the Yamabushi-style Susanoo.


Same story above. A Yamabushi-class Susanoo is even stronger, since it wears an additional layer of armor. That class of Susanoo has never been tested.

For some reason, chakra sensing failed Naruto when Itachi used Amaterasu. His actions and thoughts suggest a lack of confidence and awareness on his part.

Nagato was sensing Itachi's chakra, not the direction of Amaterasu.

Thats funny, link me where it saids kCM mode gives naruto the ability to sense chakra like sage mode? I dont remeber anywhere in the manga where it saids that.

His eye did not bleed in the latest chapter. Seems Kishimoto eliminated that.

Erm.. Pretty sure were talking about MS sasuke ..:|

I'm sure the Isobu could have also broken Yagura's genjutsu, and Kurama can break Mugen Tsukuyomi. Kurama himself is at risk for being placed under genjutsu.

This also does not solve the Tsukuyomi problem.


Good job comparing Obitos genjutsu to pre MS sasuke.. obito clearly used a high level form of genjutsu.

Bad example. Kakashi couldn't have kept that up indefinitely, and he knew he was doomed when Sasuke brought out the Yamabushi-style Susanoo.

bad example? how so? kakashi clearly reacted to the sussano arrow in the time, its manga supported and i showed you the panel, disagreeing with the manga? seems legit.

Same story above. A Yamabushi-class Susanoo is even stronger, since it wears an additional layer of armor. That class of Susanoo has never been tested.

what? bro were talking about ms sasuke? what sussano are you referring to?

 

[Prince Charles]

Amaterasu itself is manifested at target and only then can be sensed. Even if naruto is aware of amaterasu prep, he lack the speed to dodge eyesight and the user can continuously spam it for awhile making it impossible to constantly escape it.
Attempted to brake weaker genjutsu and failed?
Then why bring it up?
Reacting and dodging are different words, meaning etc. Where is logic here?

Much smaller wind blade then those multiple of danzo, has no baku's + power. Can be countered by katon...

Amaterasu itself is manifested at target and only then can be sensed. Even if naruto is aware of amaterasu prep, he lack the speed to dodge eyesight and the user can continuously spam it for awhile making it impossible to constantly escape it.

He lacks the speed? Did you not see him blitz asura pain Sm also gives him the ability to sense danger faster and greater and he can sense chakra, amaterasu is a chakra base technique.? you say amaterasu itself is manifested at target and only then can be sensed? Right.. so your saying the fourth raikage sensed amaterasu then?

Attempted to brake weaker genjutsu and failed?

Him failing is not the point, the point of that scan shows that he has experience and the potential to brake sasukes genjutsu.


Then why bring it up?

Erm... to clarify it and discuss it...?

Reacting and dodging are different words, meaning etc. Where is logic here?

sigh.. if you dodge something that means you have the reaction time, kakashi was able to react to the sussano arrow by using kamui, now obviously naruto does not have kamui but since kakashi was able to react to it and use a dojutsu technique i see no reason why naruto cant React to the arrow and dodge it

Much smaller wind blade then those multiple of danzo, has no baku's + power. Can be countered by katon...

RS being smaller means what? it still causes a enormous amount of damage, did you not see the massive crater it left on kakuzu?

 

[Prince Charles]

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you said this His eye did not bleed in the latest chapter. Seems Kishimoto eliminated that.

but against DSm kabuto you clearly see sasukes eye bleed when using amaterasu [

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this isnt the latest chapter but still you see my point?

you also say this Nagato was sensing Itachi's chakra, not the direction of Amaterasu.

oh really? nagato disagrees [

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in the link i provide nagato was feeling the pressure of amaterasu!

 

[AlphaScythian]

He lacks the speed? Did you not see him blitz asura pain Sm also gives him the ability to sense danger faster and greater and he can sense chakra, amaterasu is a chakra base technique.? you say amaterasu itself is manifested at target and only then can be sensed? Right.. so your saying the fourth raikage sensed amaterasu then?

Blitzing pain? Pain had speed of what? Kakashi was doing fine with them. U need more to consistently escape one's sight. At bigger distances, right down impossible. Sense danger? No such thing. It can only be translated as sensing attack due to enhanced 5 senses. Raikage saw blood drops and decided to move. Raikages are faster then SM anyway, mute point here.

Him failing is not the point, the point of that scan shows that he has experience and the potential to brake sasukes genjutsu.

It is the point. If he cant beat weaker genjutsu, he has no hopes vs MS.

Erm... to clarify it and discuss it...?

Chidori nagashi > frog kumite. Nothing to discuss.

sigh.. if you dodge something that means you have the reaction time, kakashi was able to react to the sussano arrow by using kamui, now obviously naruto does not have kamui but since kakashi was able to react to it and use a dojutsu technique i see no reason why naruto cant React to the arrow and dodge it

Reacting is realizing, dodging is next step. Kakashi of speed 5 couldnt dodge it even with sharingan. If it wasnt enough for kakshi to dodge why would naruto?

RS being smaller means what? it still causes a enormous amount of damage, did you not see the massive crater it left on kakuzu?

I saw kakuzu body being intact and alive. I saw raikage tank it. I saw susanoo tank tbb like nothing. Katon counters anyway.

SM duration 5 min, sasuke outlast that at very least. But naruto still has no counters for amaterasu or genjutsu.

 

[BlinkST]

Thats funny, link me where it saids kCM mode gives naruto the ability to sense chakra like sage mode? I dont remeber anywhere in the manga where it saids that.

He recently sensed the Hokage and the other reinforcements.

Erm.. Pretty sure were talking about MS sasuke ..:|

In which case, looking for the eye to bleed is basically a one-time affair. It's not going to keep bleeding with every successive casting.

Good job comparing Obitos genjutsu to pre MS sasuke.. obito clearly used a high level form of genjutsu.

Not sure what's hard to understand about this. Both Yagura and Isobu were likely under genjutsu simultaneously. We originally saw through Sasuke that Biju are vulnerable even while inside a host.

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And this was pretty much verified when Obito placed the Kyubi under genjutsu and had it break Kushina's weakening seal.

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Bad example. Kakashi couldn't have kept that up indefinitely, and he knew he was doomed when Sasuke brought out the Yamabushi-style Susanoo.

bad example? how so? kakashi clearly reacted to the sussano arrow in the time, its manga supported and i showed you the panel, disagreeing with the manga? seems legit.

Re-read what you quoted.

what? bro were talking about ms sasuke? what sussano are you referring to?

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but against DSm kabuto you clearly see sasukes eye bleed when using amaterasu [

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this isnt the latest chapter but still you see my point?

Yeah, I see your point, but newer material still supersedes older material. If his eye is not bleeding in this chapter, then perhaps Kishimoto eliminated the side-effect.

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in the link i provide nagato was feeling the pressure of amaterasu!

That's irrelevant. Nagato couldn't have been sensing Amaterasu, unless you believe it was going to hit him (Which was impossible).

 

[Prince Charles]

He recently sensed the Hokage and the other reinforcements.


In which case, looking for the eye to bleed is basically a one-time affair. It's not going to keep bleeding with every successive casting.


Not sure what's hard to understand about this. Both Yagura and Isobu were likely under genjutsu simultaneously. We originally saw through Sasuke that Biju are vulnerable even while inside a host.

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And this was pretty much verified when Obito placed the Kyubi under genjutsu and had it break Kushina's weakening seal.

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Re-read what you quoted.

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He recently sensed the Hokage and the other reinforcements.

I think thats different, he was sensing other ninjas chakra/presence dont think thats the same as sensing chakra all around you like sensing a technique like amaterasu i could be wrong though

In which case, looking for the eye to bleed is basically a one-time affair. It's not going to keep bleeding with every successive casting

His eyes even bleed when hes getting amaterasu off of karin. [

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Not sure what's hard to understand about this. Both Yagura and Isobu were likely under genjutsu simultaneously. We originally saw through Sasuke that Biju are vulnerable even while inside a host.

Naurto isnt even using kurama in this fight except for countering sasukes genjutsu which i mentioned he can probably do himself or simply summon multiple clones and have them get him out of it. I also dont see how kurama being suppressed from sasuke will make kurama unable to wake naruto from saukes genjutsu.

again explain how my kakashi reference was a bad example?

you mean this sussano?

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i dont see how you can count that when sasuke only had it for like 2 seconds and then resorted back to his old sussano form and eventually sussano all together went away.

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[blackstar9]

Even with manga proof people are still in denial. Sad just.....Sad. sigh Sasuke receives no credit where credit is due. DAMN kishi they're saying you are wrong. How is the writer wrong. DAMN shame smdh

Yeah fanboys think they know more then the author !

 

[Prince Charles]

Blitzing pain? Pain had speed of what? Kakashi was doing fine with them. U need more to consistently escape one's sight. At bigger distances, right down impossible. Sense danger? No such thing. It can only be translated as sensing attack due to enhanced 5 senses. Raikage saw blood drops and decided to move. Raikages are faster then SM anyway, mute point here.
It is the point. If he cant beat weaker genjutsu, he has no hopes vs MS.
Chidori nagashi > frog kumite. Nothing to discuss.
Reacting is realizing, dodging is next step. Kakashi of speed 5 couldnt dodge it even with sharingan. If it wasnt enough for kakshi to dodge why would naruto?I saw kakuzu body being intact and alive. I saw raikage tank it. I saw susanoo tank tbb like nothing. Katon counters anyway.

SM duration 5 min, sasuke outlast that at very least. But naruto still has no counters for amaterasu or genjutsu.

Pain had speed of what? Kakashi was doing fine with them. U need more to consistently escape one's sight. At bigger distances, right down impossible. Sense danger? No such thing. It can only be translated as sensing attack due to enhanced 5 senses. Raikage saw blood drops and decided to move. Raikages are faster then SM anyway, mute point here.

I know asura pain hardly has speed feats and i know kakashi was doing well against them, idk if you lack brain cells but the point of that scan was to show you Sm narutos immense speed. No such thing as sensing danger? [

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Naruto failing against itachis genjutsu is not the point and link me where it saids its weaker?



Reacting is realizing, dodging is next step. Kakashi of speed 5 couldnt dodge it even with sharingan. If it wasnt enough for kakshi to dodge why would naruto?

Most likely the reason why kakashi couldnt dodge it was due to the fact that it was so up close to him, but he was still able to react to the attack which shows that a Sm naruto with sensing abilities and can sense danger faster and greater and increased speed and reflexes i see no reason why he cant dodge the arrow unlike kakashi can.

I saw kakuzu body being intact and alive. I saw raikage tank it. I saw susanoo tank tbb like nothing. Katon counters anyway.

SM duration 5 min, sasuke outlast that at very least. But naruto still has no counters for amaterasu or genjutsu.

Kakuzu body is not the point i was referring the the crater left by Rs which demonstrates its devasting destruction power. Note that Rs does internal damage on a cellular level, of course edos wont really be effected by it especially someone like the 3rd raikage with his steel body, while his body may have looked fine if he was living his insides would probably be messed up especially his chakra network, also notice the RS managed to take off his raition armor

 

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MS Sasuke goes ham & roast Naruto with amaterasu

 

[Prince Charles]

Yeah, I see your point, but newer material still supersedes older material. If his eye is not bleeding in this chapter, then perhaps Kishimoto eliminated the side-effect.

Can you show me the scan of this page that you are referring to So i can make a better assessment?

That's irrelevant. Nagato couldn't have been sensing Amaterasu, unless you believe it was going to hit him (Which was impossible).

erm..ill stick with nagatos words. If you dont mind.

 

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Also @AlphaScythian

even if naruto does run out of his sm i dont see why he cant exploit his shadow clones as a way to distract sasuke and keep him busy while he stores up more nature chakra or whatever you call it? Sasuke will have a pretty hard time distinguishing which clone is the real naruto so he be wasting his chakra using amaterasu and we all know genjutsu doesnt work on clones. This strategy is actually quite good if im correct about the part that naruto can store up extra nature energy outside of Mount Myōboku.

As i recall a clone managed to enter SM by storing up some natural energy at the battle field in the war.[

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