[Discussion] is narutos rasenshiruken stronger than sasukes ems Amaterasu ?

[Orange Hokage oF Leaf]

both attack are strong enough ...

 

[Raekwon26]

Last time he shown something he almost got blind. So you can't say he has the best control over it.

Oh wow.
He almost went blind because of his over-use of his MS techniques, not because he couldn't control them...

What are you talking about?

 

[Mr Hiru]

Oh wow.
He almost went blind because of his over-use of his MS techniques, not because he couldn't control them...

What are you talking about?

...I won't say anything more, I guess what you said explains itself.

 

[Raekwon26]

...I won't say anything more, I guess what you said explains itself.

Good. You seem very confused.

Burnt by his own flames?
Can't control them well enough?
His flames almost blinded him?

What was that? Where did that come from?

 

[Mr Hiru]

Good. You seem very confused.

Burnt by his own flames?
Can't control them well enough?
His flames almost blinded him?

What was that? Where did that come from?

Amaterasu consumes everything, but it lacks power (I'm talking about Physics, so don't argue about the concept until you get well informed).
Rasenshuriken damages at molecular level, and it's power is overhelming, not to mention that it's a pretty dense mass of chakra.

If Sasuke's Amaterasu had more Power than Naruto's Rasenshuriken, its destructive power AND its speed should at least be equal, but that is not right. Sasuke doesn't have enough control to set off its fire while that fire is being affected by another S Class jutsu that he doesn't know at least well.

The Amaterasu alone would be OK, but I'm talking about the clashing jutsus...

I am not the one confused. You're the one who is not reading everything I put.

 

[Raekwon26]

If Sasuke's Amaterasu had more Power than Naruto's Rasenshuriken, its destructive power AND its speed should at least be equal, but that is not right. Sasuke doesn't have enough control to set off its fire while that fire is being affected by another S Class jutsu that he doesn't know at least well.

The Amaterasu alone would be OK, but I'm talking about the clashing jutsus...

I am not the one confused. You're the one who is not reading everything I put.

Yeah, you seem very confused and you aren't making sense.
Clashing jutsus? Do you know what 'the ability to manipulate the flames' means?

The part in bold, what are you talking about?

 

[luzhikari]

both deathly but different methods or dying and torture? Rasenshuriken practically hurts you to the point where you won't be able to function normally or ever again or just simply kills you, in other words a painful death. While Amaterasu will consume you completely until there's nothing of you so they must feel how every part of their bodies burn until their nerves are completely destroy. Too hard to pick if I base it on this

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

Doesnt really matter, the flames are still the same just used a different way just like how Naruto uses Rasenshuriken he used to use it like a normal Rasengan but now he throws it, the destructive force and strength remain the same in both cases.

It does matter, cuz it's not the same.

When attacking with Amaterasu, the user can only set the target on fire or extinguish the same one.

When attacking with Blaze Release, the user can manipulate the flames shape and wield it as he pleases.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Yeah, you seem very confused and you aren't making sense.
Clashing jutsus? Do you know what 'the ability to manipulate the flames' means?

The part in bold, what are you talking about?

Yeah. Make them clash and say which win. Pretty simple.

And yes, I knows that it means... you must aim to the flames you want to move or set off, that's Blaze Release.

Let's make an hypotheses... if Hiruzen uses an Earth Style Jutsu to Pain and Pain uses Chibaku Tensei, Hiruzen skill would become uncontrollable because of the gravity imposed by Chibaku Tensei's Potential Energy.

Same thing goes for Amaterasu vs Rasenshuriken. It's because of the overhelming power Rasenshuriken has over the Amaterasu (Rasenshuriken considers friction, rotational force, a lot of chakra density, tangential speed). Sasuke must be an specialist on these features in order to aim well to his amaterasu and set it off.

That's why I said before you must learn some physics before trying to argue my arguments. I didn't want to explain all of that. I am not confused, I'm just better informed.

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

Amaterasu (fire) > all wind jutsu and fire regular fire alone puts naruto jutsu to shame.

And they have clashed and amaterasu is still burning:

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[Mr Hiru]

Amaterasu (fire) > all wind jutsu and fire regular fire alone puts naruto jutsu to shame.

And they have clashed and amaterasu is still burning:

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Ok, so what would be your argument? You're just making a sentence.

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

That being said rasengan really isn't that strong, well not stronger than sasuke's jutsu as in chidiori (equal senbon and WSRS are the same) amaterasu >>> WSRS and susanoo >>>

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[Raekwon26]

Yeah. Make them clash and say which win. Pretty simple.

And yes, I knows that it means... you must aim to the flames you want to move or set off, that's Blaze Release.

Let's make an hypotheses... if Hiruzen uses an Earth Style Jutsu to Pain and Pain uses Chibaku Tensei, Hiruzen skill would become uncontrollable because of the gravity imposed by Chibaku Tensei's Potential Energy.

Same thing goes for Amaterasu vs Rasenshuriken. It's because of the overhelming power Rasenshuriken has over the Amaterasu (Rasenshuriken considers friction, rotational force, a lot of chakra density, tangential speed). Sasuke must be an specialist on these features in order to aim well to his amaterasu and set it off.

That's why I said before you must learn some physics before trying to argue my arguments. I didn't want to explain all of that. I am not confused, I'm just better informed.

No, you're not well informed. At all.
Sasuke doesn't need to be a specialist in those fields you mentioned simply because of 'Blaze Release'. You know, the ability for the user to manipulate the flames shape and wield it as he pleases?
You're explanation shows you had no clue of what Blaze Release is.

The 'Overwhelming' power of the Rasenshuriken does not mean that Sasuke would need to set it off with his Amaterasu because of Blaze Release. If they were to 'clash' (Wind style and fire style clashing, yeah right) Sasuke wouldn't be thinking about trying to stop it because he can wield it as he pleases and be able to manipulate and change it's form to counter a specific situation.

We don't know his full capabilities with Amaterasu yet, but it's clear to see for anyone that his ability to control the flames are second to none.

 

[Mr Hiru]

That being said rasengan really isn't that strong, well not stronger than sasuke's jutsu as in chidiori (equal senbon and WSRS are the same) amaterasu >>> WSRS and susanoo >>>

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That could be right.

But we are talking about Sasuke's Amaterasu vs Naruto's Rasenshuriken. Your point about the "element" was right, but if you see my first post, you would take in mind that Element is not the only thing that counts when you're comparing jutsus. You should at least take in consideration what is strength, tangential speed, rotational speed, and acceleration. In these factors, Amaterasu lacks of almost everything but destructive power. So when Amaterasu sets something in fire that is easy to aim, it's easy for Sasuke to control it. But we are talking about Rasenshuriken... that skill is damn fast when thrown, and if you set a Rasenshuriken on fire, even if you try to set your fire off, you won't be able to set all the fire off, because it would be hard as hell to aim a rotating fire that's being moved at such speed.

Edit: I will be pretty fair because

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still can't counter my argument decently (he still says "it's because it's Blaze Release", plain and without proofs). Sasuke has a Sharingan so he can see through the movement of the Rasenshuriken (Even I know that could be a lie because Kakashi couldn't with his Sharingan). But that, that could be a valid point at your favor.

 

[RinneBlitz]

Rasenshuriken is strong technique without a doubt, but Amaterasu was confirmed as the strongest offensive technique by Kabuto, Sasuke can use it as defensive too, thanks to his Blaze Release, so I think it's the stronger one.

 

[kisamexRocks]

Naruto's Rasenshuriken is far stronger as it attacks at a cellular level. Amaterasu just burns you till everything is gone, but Rasenshuriken wrecked and immobilized a full healthy Kakuzu.

 

[lion fang master]

Naruto n sasuke who is stronger ... Don't support naruto because his the main character n pls drop opinion .no insults tnx

For me no right now just because we have seen it get tossed to the side unlike sasuke's enton which has actually done some damage and unstopable

 

[TheSages456]

amaterasu is the strongest fire jutsu in existence, is inextinguishable and has the elemental advantage over rasenshuriken. its pretty obvious that the black flames are superior.

 

[crono0929]

why not use naruto's Tail beast bomb? its his strongest jutsu.

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

Amaterasu is far more deadly, it's too fast.