[Discussion] Human-Human Fruit (Sengoku)

What is Sengoku's DF type?


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Hori

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Why are you making it so difficult? It's a Mythical Zoan, simple as that. If it was a Logia, he would be able to disperse when attacks come at him. The reason why Choppers' and Sengoku's DFs both are called Hito Hito is because they are different editions, same like how Jyabura has the Wolf Zoan while Dalmatian has the Dalmatian Zoan.

You shouldn't have used "edition", you understand what it means you imply? It means now you say one of the 2 fruits is the improvement of another, and to prove wrong your blue highlighted statement not all logia users are able to disperse for axample look at Blackbeard he's fruit is clasified as logia but he doesn't turn into a natural element but becomes a force of nature which is darkness. Same as Sengoku his ability to turn into a golden statue and spam shock waves is all forms of force of nature which falls under the category of logia properties
 

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Explained in mine. He's a religious icon. A deity, if you could say. Not really a creature in the common sense, nor a human. But it's close enough to be considered a Mythical Zoan, which he actually did (Argument should have been settled right there)

As far Sengoku's fruit is concerned, these are the speculated possibilities.

Yes, ignoring the one actual fact, stated above.

Sengoku ate a fruit that allows him to turn into a giant (the race human). A Zoan

Not actually a Giant from the human race, just a gigantic being. But sure, qualifies him as a "giant". I wouldn't be surprised to see a Human Human: Model Giant. In this case, it allows you to turn into a different being, the Buddha, or, in the case of what was shown in the manga, an Hybrid between him and a Buddha. It blurs though, because Sengoku was already a human. So the full transformation and the hybrid transformation should be the same, or similar. If an elephant had eaten the Buddha fruit, I wouldn't be surprised to see a human Buddha as the full transformation and an elephant Buddha as the hybrid.

Sengoku ate a fruit that allows him to turn into a Buddha (since he's shiny he and uses air shockwaves). A paramecia

No. A Paramecia would work by allowing him to change sizes, OR allow him to turn to gold/golden OR allow him to produce shockwaves. That's how a Paramecia works. Allowing him to turn into a Buddha (And encompass all those) it's a Mythical Zoan.

Sengoku ate a fruit that alters his size to that of a giant. A logia

What element is "Giant"? Can you produce "Giant"? Can you turn into "Giant"? Is it a liquid, a solid? A state of energy? Is it a natural phenomenon? No? It's not a Logia. What you described is how a Paramecia works, altering his size to that of a Giant, like the other way around, the Mini Mini fruit, Paramecia. But it's not just that, is it?

Sengoku ate a fruit that transforms him into a giant statue. A logia

Again, no. There's no natural phenomenon called "Giant Statue". There's no element, chemical, geographic, of "Giant Statue". A fruit that enables you to turn into a statue, as in, the petrified version of yourself, would be a Paramecia. A fruit that allowed you to turn others into statues, would be a Paramecia (like Mero Mero). Turning into this particular statue, the religious symbol, the deity, is considered a Mythical Zoan.

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Actually, not one of his powers would qualify as Logia. The only way it could be considered Logia and still have a slight connection with what Sengoku's fruit does, would be an hypothetical Gold Gold Fruit THAT works by turning yourself into Gold, produce gold, be gold, exist in a state of liquid/solid etc. Not just change your skin to gold, which is what happens with Sengoku, that would be a Paramecia of the same name (And most likely what would happen if it was to exist, similar to the speculated Diamond Diamond fruit, Jozu's unnamed fruit, which is most likely also Paramecia). But Sengoku doesn't act even similarly as any of that.

Buddha isn't an animal or a mythical creature, he is a human. Humans are called animals when it comes to biology where terms like Homosapien come but we are humans! So if it exists a Buddha fruit, it might as well exists an Albert Einstein fruit or a Napoleon fruit.

Like I said, many times, this is not some historical figure, a religious leader or a rank. We're talking about a religious symbol/deity of a Buddha, who is made of Gold and shoots shock waves. It's a Mythical creature. You might be a humans!, but I'm a human, and biology is not just a decorative connotation. Specially in a Fruit type that revolves about turning yourself into another "being", note the being, as in living being, imaginary or not.

And besides, Chopper already ate a human fruit. It's not like there is zoan fruits for individual representatives from a race, it's just the race itself.
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If you want to ignore arguments and facts other people give you, just delete your thread and make a private blog. Zoan fruits might have the same name, but different models are different fruits entirely, I have already said this.

1st of all there is no such thing as a mythical human U_U I dunno where you took it from, also I will tell you what a real Buddha is but 1st tell me how does a "mythical zoan" spam a shockwave?[/COLOR][/FONT]

Vampire, Dwarf, Elf, Werewolf (Part Wolf part Human), Ghost to a certain extend, Zombie to a certain extend, Mermaid, Angel, Demon, and variations. These are mythical, fantasy, imaginary creatures based on humans, as such, could be qualified as Mythical Humans.



The other part of that quote I've already answered above.
 
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The mythological creature part...

Creatures are defined as animals and humans happen to be animals.
Therefore, following incredibly simple logic, Bhudda fits the category.​

No Bhuddha is not an animal but people explain it in many ways observe:

Buddha is the name of a historical figure from India
The word Buddha is a Sanskrit word which means "The Awakened One", one who is awakened to Reality, who understands true nature of the mind, the world, and all sentient beings.

well I dunno whether this is true or not but most articles repeat this one and same thing. Anyway my post here is that a DF that makes you become a golden Bhudda a "myth" should not fall as a zoan, I't rather be called a logia or paramicia... and please stop raising the point of that a bhudha is human and we are animals....
 

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Explained in mine. He's a religious icon. A deity, if you could say. Not really a creature in the common sense, nor a human. But it's close enough to be considered a Mythical Zoan, which he actually did (Argument should have been settled right there)



Yes, ignoring the one actual fact, stated above.



Not actually a Giant from the human race, just a gigantic being. But sure, qualifies him as a "giant". I wouldn't be surprised to see a Human Human: Model Giant. In this case, it allows you to turn into a different being, the Buddha, or, in the case of what was shown in the manga, an Hybrid between him and a Buddha. It blurs though, because Sengoku was already a human. So the full transformation and the hybrid transformation should be the same, or similar. If an elephant had eaten the Buddha fruit, I wouldn't be surprised to see a human Buddha as the full transformation and an elephant Buddha as the hybrid.



No. A Paramecia would work by allowing him to change sizes, OR allow him to turn to gold/golden OR allow him to produce shockwaves. That's how a Paramecia works. Allowing him to turn into a Buddha (And encompass all those) it's a Mythical Zoan.



What element is "Giant"? Can you produce "Giant"? Can you turn into "Giant"? Is it a liquid, a solid? A state of energy? Is it a natural phenomenon? No? It's not a Logia. What you described is how a Paramecia works, altering his size to that of a Giant, like the other way around, the Mini Mini fruit, Paramecia. But it's not just that, is it?



Again, no. There's no natural phenomenon called "Giant Statue". There's no element, chemical, geographic, of "Giant Statue". A fruit that enables you to turn into a statue, as in, the petrified version of yourself, would be a Paramecia. A fruit that allowed you to turn others into statues, would be a Paramecia (like Mero Mero). Turning into this particular statue, the religious symbol, the deity, is considered a Mythical Zoan.



Actually, not one of his powers would qualify as Logia. The only way it could be considered Logia and still have a slight connection with what Sengoku's fruit does, would be an hypothetical Gold Gold Fruit THAT works by turning yourself into Gold, produce gold, be gold, exist in a state of liquid/solid etc. Not just change your skin to gold, which is what happens with Sengoku, that would be a Paramecia of the same name (And most likely what would happen if it was to exist, similar to the speculated Diamond Diamond fruit, Jozu's unnamed fruit, which is most likely also Paramecia). But Sengoku doesn't act even similarly as any of that.



Like I said, many times, this is not some historical figure, a religious leader or a rank. We're talking about a religious symbol/deity of a Buddha, who is made of Gold and shoots shock waves. It's a Mythical creature. You might be a humans!, but I'm a human, and biology is not just a decorative connotation. Specially in a Fruit type that revolves about turning yourself into another "being", note the being, as in living being, imaginary or not.



If you want to ignore arguments and facts other people give you, just delete your thread and make a private blog. Zoan fruits might have the same name, but different models are different fruits entirely, I have already said this.



Vampire, Dwarf, Elf, Werewolf (Part Wolf part Human), Ghost to a certain extend, Zombie to a certain extend, Mermaid, Angel, Demon, and variations. These are mythical, fantasy, imaginary creatures based on humans, as such, could be qualified as Mythical Humans.



The other part of that quote I've already answered above.

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convinced that sengoku is Mythical zoan, he rather must be something else maybe a zogia = logia + zoan because he possesses two properties of both like a dragon... which was found in punk hazard... it might be an artificial zoan but has logia abilities like breathing flame
 
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You shouldn't have used "edition", you understand what it means you imply? It means now you say one of the 2 fruits is the improvement of another, and to prove wrong your blue highlighted statement not all logia users are able to disperse for axample look at Blackbeard he's fruit is clasified as logia but he doesn't turn into a natural element but becomes a force of nature which is darkness. Same as Sengoku his ability to turn into a golden statue and spam shock waves is all forms of force of nature which falls under the category of logia properties

You're just trolling, right? You can't be this stupid. How can you not understand he's a Zoan, not a Logia? Same as Marco's Mythical DF, he's granted with other powers, like healing. Sengoku's DF has shockwaves. It's a MYTHICAL ZOAN!!
 

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You're just trolling, right? You can't be this stupid. How can you not understand he's a Zoan, not a Logia? Same as Marco's Mythical DF, he's granted with other powers, like healing. Sengoku's DF has shockwaves. It's a MYTHICAL ZOAN!!

Nah i think you're not understanding me, you're just blindly saying he's zoan because that is what Oda and wikia says; Otherwise I stated clearly on the start of the thread that I know Sengoku's fruit power is classified as a zoan type, but I asked a few questions that makes me doubt it.

What you're doing now indicates that you don't read and didn't understand what you just quoted above. Listen I am asking you about Black beard's fruit power... what can you say it is? Logia, paramicia or zoan? And not just bluntly state which but also provide a reason why you say so not like as you said Sengoku's power is Zoan U_U
 

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Nah i think you're not understanding me, you're just blindly saying he's zoan because that is what Oda and wikia says; Otherwise I stated clearly on the start of the thread that I know Sengoku's fruit power is classified as a zoan type, but I asked a few questions that makes me doubt it.

What you're doing now indicates that you don't read and didn't understand what you just quoted above. Listen I am asking you about Black beard's fruit power... what can you say it is? Logia, paramicia or zoan? And not just bluntly state which but also provide a reason why you say so not like as you said Sengoku's power is Zoan U_U

I don't need to say anything else :p BB's DF is a Logia because he said it is. It is the most unique and special Logia out there, hence why it works differently from the rest. Same goes with Sengoku's DF. It's a Mythical Zoan, hence it's different from the other regular Zoans. It's not bound by logical reasoning. If it was a regular Zoan like the Tiger Fruit or something, then he wouldn't be able to do those shockwaves. There's no hints to it being a Logia at all. At best it could be hinted to be a Paramecia. Everyone changes forms in their Zoan DF, so that argument is useless as well.

Edit: And why would I not believe what Oda said about his DF? That's not something you try to hide.
 
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Pretty obvious as to what type it is. A thread is not needed to figure it out...
 

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I don't need to say anything else :p BB's DF is a Logia because he said it is. It is the most unique and special Logia out there, hence why it works differently from the rest. Same goes with Sengoku's DF. It's a Mythical Zoan, hence it's different from the other regular Zoans. It's not bound by logical reasoning. If it was a regular Zoan like the Tiger Fruit or something, then he wouldn't be able to do those shockwaves. There's no hints to it being a Logia at all. At best it could be hinted to be a Paramecia. Everyone changes forms in their Zoan DF, so that argument is useless as well.

Edit: And why would I not believe what Oda said about his DF? That's not something you try to hide.

because Oda himself said he doesn't know what a Buddha is, in terms of it being human or a mythical creature so he just said zoan is for Sengoku's power even though he didn't understand what a Buddha is.

Pretty obvious as to what type it is. A thread is not needed to figure it out...

Well that means you didn't read my 1st post here you just spammed here, I don't like that U_U, btw why do you say its obvious?
 

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lol you guys It cant be helped you didn't read... so let me say this that mikai and Oda say its zoan, but it also resembles paramicia and logia properties

I does not resemble any Logia properties! Imo
 

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Okay. Let's do a game then. You give a list of Logia properties, and I'll tell you which of those are actually Logia properties, and which aren't.
 

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Yeah, it's a Mythical Zoan fruit. And IMO, BB also has one; the complete opposite of his though - Mythical Zoan type - human-human fruit, model: Devil.
 

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I'm still sticking with mythical zoan type fruit idea which is cannon U_U


Logic : Because in one piece it is rare to see Buddha people. Also because its similar to X-drakes situation. He is also an mythical zoan user. Whilst he transforms he still keeps the upper half of his body like sengoku. Drake still has the same face sorta & wears the hat. Sorta like sengoku who keeps his afro and gets bigger titties :nosebleed: Lol
 

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Also because its similar to X-drakes situation. He is also an mythical zoan user.

His DF is actually an ancient zoan type, but yes, it does show that zoan types can grow vastly in size.​
 

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Okay. Let's do a game then. You give a list of Logia properties, and I'll tell you which of those are actually Logia properties, and which aren't.

Wait a second if you were to answer what type of fruit Marshall D. Teach has what would be your answer and why? I know I'm changing the subject but I just wanna see your reasoning in another character.

Yeah, it's a Mythical Zoan fruit. And IMO, BB also has one; the complete opposite of his though - Mythical Zoan type - human-human fruit, model: Devil.

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Let me get this straight you're saying teach has a Zoan fruit type?


I'm still sticking with mythical zoan type fruit idea which is cannon U_U

Logic : Because in one piece it is rare to see Buddha people. Also because its similar to X-drakes situation. He is also an mythical zoan user. Whilst he transforms he still keeps the upper half of his body like sengoku. Drake still has the same face sorta & wears the hat. Sorta like sengoku who keeps his afro and gets bigger titties :nosebleed: Lol

Actually X-drake is not a mythical but an Ancient zoan type...dinosaurs are ancient but myths are not real meaning no logic is involved get it?
 

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Let me get this straight you're saying teach has a Zoan fruit type?
Yep:p So he'll have a DF of each type.
 

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Yep:p So he'll have a DF of each type.

I dont understand you, I mean not get but if we look at Teach's yami-yami no Mi fruit Its said that it is a logia fruit type but he can't change into his element as logia type rule dictates but still it looks like paramicia because BB produces limiless darkness from his body which also approves it being Paramecia, Btw its so not Zoan ok? Teach doesn't even transform
 
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